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TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:53 pm

Hi everyone,

For all you TWA experts out there, I'd like to know what type of aircraft TWA used to fly between its hubs of MCI or JFK, to CDG (in both directions) from 1997 to the time of its merger with AA in 2001.

Also, I'm interested to know which TWA livery these particular aircraft were painted in.

Thanks,
Alex
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting koopas (Thread starter):
Hi everyone,

For all you TWA experts out there, I'd like to know what type of aircraft TWA used to fly between its hubs of MCI or JFK, to CDG (in both directions) from 1997 to the time of its merger with AA in 2001.

Also, I'm interested to know which TWA livery these particular aircraft were painted in.

Thanks,
Alex

The TWA 800 crash was in July 1996 and was obviously an older B747. I believe the corresponding JFK-CDG flight the next day (flight number changed too) was a B767 and this was pretty much what TW used on this route until the end. I don't believe it ever saw B747 service again.

The livery would have been both the red-stripe livery and the newer golden globe livery, which I happened to think was quite attractive when it came out.

Not sure if this answers your question completely...maybe some TWA experts can be more specific but I think this is generally the gist of what happened.
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:15 pm

TWA was flying the B767-300s internationally towards the end. They had some in the older twin stripe livery until the end, although most were in the new globe livery.

CDG also saw B747-100/200s(>1997/98), L-1011(>1995), B767-200s and B727100/200s.

They had 12 B767-200s originally, later replaced with 12 B767-300s obtained from a number of sources

They never flew MCI-CDG, although even into the 90s they were flying from CDG-JFK/STL/BOS/IAD/LAX. The last to survive was JFK. They also had a number of feeder routes to GVA/ZRH/ATH/CAI/TLV amongst others

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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:16 pm

TWA Flight 800/801 JFK-CDG-JFK changed to 924/925 after the Flight 800 Disaster!

TWA had seasonal service to STL (TW850/851) and Yearround service to New York/JFK. Until 1995 is saw also service
to Washington (IAD) , Boston and Los Angeles.
TWA got rid of the L1011's in 1997 which sometimes (regular until 1995) served CDG. The 747's did seasonal service to New York/JFK and did go yearround in 1995 (with L1011/762 in the winter).
The 747 did get replaced by 762/763 after the Downing of Flight 800.

I flew with TWA CDG-JFK in September 2000 and the roation of the aircraft was JFK-CDG-STL and STL-CDG-JFK, both operated by B-767-200ER.
B-717/722/737-200/300/400/500/600/700/800/900/B-747-100/200/400/SP/8i/B-752/3/B-762/3/4/B-772/LR/300ER/B-788/DC-10-10/30/L-1011-1/500/MD-81/82/83/90/A-319/320/321/AB6/312/313/332/333/342/343/346/359/388/TU154/IL-18/ATR-42/72/DH4/DH3/E145/E170/190/CR2/7/9
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:33 pm

Thanks for everyone's input. I wrote MCI instead of STL by error. I should have said "... between its hubs of STL or JFK, to CDG (in both directions) from 1997 to the time of its merger with AA in 2001."

From your replies, it looks like TWA operated the 767-300 and 767-200ER between STL/JFK and CDG during the years 1996-2001, with these flight numbers:

STL-CDG, STL-CDG (TW850/851)
JFK-CDG, CDG-JFK (TW924/925)

Is this correct? Can anyone specify the typical equipment assigned to each of these routes? Are there additional routes/flight numbers I'm missing between STL/JFK and CDG in both directions? I'm assuming TWA only operated from CDG to STL and JFK from 1997 to 2001, having discontinued other US cities.

Thanks again.
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:50 pm

I guess this is correct. I remember flying as a teen to SFO with TW from CDG to STL on a 767 connecting to a MD8X to SFO. The outbound was the classic white TWA livery with red stripe. The inbound was the new livery with some dark blue and the golden globe on it.

I can't remember much but I found the flight quite pleasant, departure at T1 in CDG (unrenovated at that time) was a little bad, on board staff was old but very friendly and I remember an incredible huge sandwich on STL-SFO filled with incountable slides of chicken and they gave you mustard to put on it with that.
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:14 pm

I beleive at one point, the L-1011 and/or 767's going from JFK to CDG, originated in PDX, stopped in SEA then went to JFK. Which is one reason the JFK-SEA-PDX flight was often running hours late. Nice birds though.
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting koopas (Thread starter):

mmm their hub was in STL, not MCI. But I remember the 747-100 from JFK-CDG (TWA 800) that blew up after departure. TWA also flew them from STL, but then changed to 767 in the later years.
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:22 am

I recall seeing TWA's 747SP in Paris back in the mid 80s. Think it may have served BOS and JFK.

Why did TW have the SP? Was it for Tel Aviv or JFK-NRT? I do not recall them having the need like PA with Australia and Asia from JFK.
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 8):
I recall seeing TWA's 747SP in Paris back in the mid 80s. Think it may have served BOS and JFK.

Why did TW have the SP? Was it for Tel Aviv or JFK-NRT? I do not recall them having the need like PA with Australia and Asia from JFK.

I always understood they were for Saudi Arabia and Tel Aviv.....But can't tell you where I learned thast from.
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 8):
I recall seeing TWA's 747SP in Paris back in the mid 80s. Think it may have served BOS and JFK.

My only flight on a TW SP was IAD-CDG in October 1981.

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 8):
Why did TW have the SP? Was it for Tel Aviv or JFK-NRT? I do not recall them having the need like PA with Australia and Asia from JFK.

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Not sure how much TW used the SPs to TLV. I would have thought they'd be too small for that market. TW never had rights to serve Japan (except Okinawa which was a stop on their brief around-the-world 707 service in the late '60s/early '70s, but Okinawa was then under U.S. administration).

TW may have had plans for new longhaul routes that never happened. In any case AA had a more urgent need for 2 of the 3 SPs when they obtained DFW-NRT rights but had no aircraft that could do it. The other one went to Dubai and was converted to a VIP aircraft.
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
TW may have had plans for new longhaul routes that never happened

Must have, as they did not seem to take advantage of the range... Eastern seaboard of the US to France is a waste of the range capability, but pre-767 the capacity was probably right fit for BOS and IAD to CDG.

Fueled for 7 hours, it would have climbed like a rocket... would love to have gotten to ride on one at 45,000 feet (assuming clearance could be given and the crew did not mind wearing a mask, if that procedure was still in place for cruising subsonic over FL410 back then)
 
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RE: TWA Equipment Type/livery From/to CDG?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 8):
Why did TW have the SP? Was it for Tel Aviv or JFK-NRT? I do not recall them having the need like PA with Australia and Asia from JFK.

They were originally ordered for routes to the Far East I believe. The order was in anticipation of being granted authority for JFK-NRT, and possibly a couple of other routes.

When that didnt work out the soon to be delivered SP's were already surplus to requirements so they hung around for a few years, mostly on regular B747 routes (particularly LHR-LAX in the slower months, also BOS-CDG, and flights to TLV) before being sold to AA
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