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Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:59 pm

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1532

Q4 2011:

Revenues: $8.4B +8%
Operating Profit: $726m (8.6% margin)
Net Profit: $425m (5.1% margin)
Net Profit excluding specials: $379m (4.5% margin)
PRASM up 11-12%

Full Year 2011:

Revenues: $35.1 billion +11%
Operating Profit: $1.98 billion (5.6% margin)
Net Profit: $854m (2.4% margin)
Net Profit excluding specials: $1.2 billion (3.4% margin)

Profit sharing: $89m in Q4; $264m full year.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:39 pm

Outstanding numbers. I think these results and the expected strong performance of UAL make the merger case for AMR a near certainty. The question remains, however, as to who the dance partner will be...
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:49 pm

Congrats to all at Delta
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:11 pm

Nice figures, well done all at Delta.

Lets see what UAL has to offer
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:29 pm

And how nice to get my 4.85% profit sharing!
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:57 pm

Are these numbers great numbers?

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
Net Profit excluding specials: $379m (4.5% margin)
Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
Net Profit excluding specials: $1.2 billion (3.4% margin)

I thought a 3-4% profit margin wasn't that good. Better than a loss, yes, but what is a "healthy" profit margin?

Regardless, good job DL making money! A huge turn around in a few years. Also, customer service is doing very well from what I hear!
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
I thought a 3-4% profit margin wasn't that good. Better than a loss, yes, but what is a "healthy" profit margin?

Regardless, good job DL making money! A huge turn around in a few years. Also, customer service is doing very well from what I hear!

In an industry that perpetually operates at a loss and the difference between a loss and profit can be as little as a fraction of a percentage post, I'd say 3-4 is decent. +10 would obviously be better, but you take what you get.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 3):
Lets see what UAL has to offer

When will UAL publish their numbers? Will be interesting to compare them with Delta.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 6):

In an industry that perpetually operates at a loss and the difference between a loss and profit can be as little as a fraction of a percentage post, I'd say 3-4 is decent. +10 would obviously be better, but you take what you get.

We (at DL) were always told that in a normal year, a 2% margin was par for the course. Anything above that was gravy.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 7):
When will UAL publish their numbers? Will be interesting to compare them with Delta.

Tomorrow morning.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 9):

Tomorrow morning.

Great! Will that include CO?
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:20 pm

Notes from the earnings conference call - no earth-shattering news:

- Continued to generate revenue premium to industry; PRASM for Q4 up 12%, with December alone up 13%. Will start to report PRASM growth in future monthly traffic reports.
- 24% increase in MRO revenues
- ATL is most profitable hub, followed by MSP.
- Also seeing strong revenue increases on transcons
- US-originating Japan traffic almost back to pre-quake levels
- Corporate revenues up 15% in Q4
- January 2012 PRASM up 15% expected; with Transatlantic up 17% (due to aggressive capacity cuts and continued strong transatlantic corporate traffic)
- February 2012 tracking along with January; March high single digits to low double digits currently
- Transpacific corporate shares and yields improving due to product improvements (flat-beds, etc); beach markets still strong due to strong yen; non-Japan transpac flying showing high single digit/low double-digit unit revenue growth
- NYC corporate shares up substantially, but still not generating revenue premium to industry in NYC yet.
- LGA slot swap benefits will be evident from July on (after the entire swap is complete); may show some bumps in the spring due to overlaps with US during transition period.
- Overall, both corporate and leisure traffic and revenue trends still holding up well into 2012; booking windows for March and beyond (which is mostly leisure travel obviously) showing gains right now in all regions.
- Partnerships with GOL, Aerolineas, and Aeromexico will enable organic growth in Latin America...
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
I thought a 3-4% profit margin wasn't that good. Better than a loss, yes, but what is a "healthy" profit margin?

As alitalia744 correctly stated, margins in the airline business are notoriously thin....for comparison sake, here are the margins of other carriers which have reported so far:

Q4 2011:

Southwest:

Operating Margin: 3.6%
Net Margin: 3.7%
Net Margin (excluding specials): 1.6%

US Airways:

Operating Margin: 3.4%
Net Margin: 0.6%
Net Margin excluding specials: 0.7%
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:04 pm

Impressive, i wish we had their management at UAL
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 13):
Impressive, i wish we had their management at UAL

Right, the ones who pushed NWA/DAL pilots into giving up the farm on scope for the promise of better work rules? How did that Delta + $1 offer work out for the UAL/CAL people?

 

That said, I think Anderson has done a stellar job at DL thus far, much better than I expected when the news broke that he would be Grinstein's successor. As far as the team at UAL, the book is still out.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:41 pm

And I see they are boosting capacity where the growth is and where they have a competitor (AA) with a slight image problem now.....Latin America.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:42 pm

Great numbers. Nice work, DAL.

Great to see further debt reduction and continued discipline. I am not expecting much positive from the economy for the next few years. Nice to see DL is staying focused on running a tighter ship.

Margin is 100% industry-specific. Some industries are traditionally high (for instance, software averages margins in the 20% range), others are low (airlines, supermarkets, PCs for anyone who isn't Apple). Generally, if you're selling a commodity, you expect lower margins and make you money on volume.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
Right, the ones who pushed NWA/DAL pilots into giving up the farm on scope for the promise of better work rules? How did that Delta + $1 offer work out for the UAL/CAL people?

As I recall, the management previous to Grinstein (Leo & gang) had given the pilots an enormous contract with a huge pay raise, which probably wasn't sustainable at all and had to be pared down to realistic levels.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:25 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 11):
- ATL is most profitable hub, followed by MSP.

I have to keep this statistic handy for the AA/DL threads. I don't think that merger would happen, but this stat can at least keep the "DL would ditch DTW and MSP for ORD" crowd quiet! MSP is an excellent hub and serves a great part in the DL network with little competition
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:19 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):

Right, the ones who pushed NWA/DAL pilots into giving up the farm on scope for the promise of better work rules

Yes.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
How did that Delta + $1 offer work out for the UAL/CAL people?

Er, it hasn't, we are still in negotiation.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):



That said, I think Anderson has done a stellar job at DL thus far, much better than I expected when the news broke that he would be Grinstein's successor.

Exactly my point.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
As far as the team at UAL, the book is still out.


That book is written and published, they are led by a clown with no vision, experience or competence.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:43 am

Congratulations to DL and its employees, I'm sure allot of work and sacrifice went into making what it has become today. Last year was the first full year of one integrated company and it shows in all of the starts: on time, lost baggage, customer satisfaction and so on. Keep up the great work. Does anybody have a link for the transcript of the conference call?
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:47 am

I don't have a link, but it will most likely be available shortly after on SeekingAlpha.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:48 am

All hail the power of ancillary fees  

Seriously though, good to see them making money. Without profit any company will cease to exist at some point. They do seem to be making a push for the corporate market and less on leisure, only so much of that to go around so reducing focus/ignoring leisure and less frequent fliers (say Silver and below) might not be quite so smart for the long term. Only time will tell. For now, good job making a profit in these tough times.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:30 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 6):

In an industry that perpetually operates at a loss and the difference between a loss and profit can be as little as a fraction of a percentage post, I'd say 3-4 is decent. +10 would obviously be better, but you take what you get.

Very true.
I think these numbers generally speak very positively about Delta - it's ashame it took BK to get all the finances back on to solid ground but I don't think it could have happened otherwise.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 22):
All hail the power of ancillary fees

No doubt.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 19):
That book is written and published, they are led by a clown with no vision, experience or competence.

Except UAL is producing financial results that are near equivalent to the same results that DL is producing. You called DL's results "awesome" so something doesn't make sense hear.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:41 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 24):
Except UAL is producing financial results that are near equivalent to the same results that DL is producing. You called DL's results "awesome" so something doesn't make sense hear.

You think he might have some sort of personal bias?  
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:49 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
I thought a 3-4% profit margin wasn't that good. Better than a loss, yes, but what is a "healthy" profit margin?

As said before, a net profit margin of 3-4% is not amazing, but with the competition nowadays, it's great. The healthy comes from the sustainability of profits, and DL is showing that with quarter after quarter being profitable (with little exceptions)

Quoting panamair (Reply 11):
ATL is most profitable hub, followed by MSP

Interesting info and it seems, at least for DL, sizes matter.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
And I see they are boosting capacity where the growth is and where they have a competitor (AA) with a slight image problem now.....Latin America.

That will depend on Corporate agreements in NYC area or a focus on markets Latin America wants. ATL is a good option, but the focus now is Florida, New York, plus Las Vegas.

Quoting panamair (Reply 11):
- NYC corporate shares up substantially, but still not generating revenue premium to industry in NYC yet.

You mean agreements, right ?
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:25 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 24):

Except UAL is producing financial results that are near equivalent to the same results that DL is producing.

Seeing as how UA's results won't be known until tomorrow morning (1-26), do you have some sort of crystal ball?  
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:32 am

You have to admit that the current Delta management team seems to be a pretty low ego bunch. Every quarter they report on the hard work being done by the entire Delta team, they report favorable results, and then they seem to just quietly go back to work. They said they were going to install wifi in their fleet, and bingo, they now account for half of the worldwide a/c wifi installations, getting to an installation ratio of 100% of their mainline a/c and a great majority of their 2 class regional fleet. The repainting of the fleet I think all have to admit was done in a very efficient manner. Even their regional partner carriers keep adding what seems like 5 repaints each week! The internal mods on their wide body fleet are rolling out so as to meet the schedule they originally announced. They announced and stuck with their LGA slot strategy and are now seeing it through to completion. The Delta web site is really standing out from that of the other US based airlines and continues to have a almost NWA like positive user friendly feel to it. The entire team, management and employee, seems to have a good handle on things. I think the Atlanta and Minneapolis management teams have really blended quite well, and especially this time of the year, enjoying all being in southern climes. It is probably no surprise that ATL and MSP are top performing stations.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 24):

Except UAL is producing financial results that are near equivalent to the same results that DL is producing. You called DL's results "awesome" so something doesn't make sense hear.

Tomorrow's results will include $247 M in 'special charges', so not even close actually.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 25):

You think he might have some sort of personal bias?

I certainly do.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 28):
Quoting Coronado (Reply 28):
You have to admit that the current Delta management team seems to be a pretty low ego bunch. Every quarter they report on the hard work being done by the entire Delta team, they report favorable results, and then they seem to just quietly go back to work. They said they were going to install wifi in their fleet, and bingo, they now account for half of the worldwide a/c wifi installations, getting to an installation ratio of 100% of their mainline a/c and a great majority of their 2 class regional fleet. The repainting of the fleet I think all have to admit was done in a very efficient manner. Even their regional partner carriers keep adding what seems like 5 repaints each week! The internal mods on their wide body fleet are rolling out so as to meet the schedule they originally announced. They announced and stuck with their LGA slot strategy and are now seeing it through to completion. The Delta web site is really standing out from that of the other US based airlines and continues to have a almost NWA like positive user friendly feel to it. The entire team, management and employee, seems to have a good handle on things. I think the Atlanta and Minneapolis management teams have really blended quite well, and especially this time of the year, enjoying all being in southern climes. It is probably no surprise that ATL and MSP are top performing stations.

Completely agree, as I said, I wish we had their management.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:47 am

Fantastic quarter, and for that matter year for Delta. Just think what might have been had it not been for the terrible earthquake/tsunami in japan earlier in the year. At least from the sound of it NRT is almost back pre-tsnunami levels. Congrats to all the people at Delta, truly a shining star.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:13 am

I've flown Delta a dozen times over the past year inside the US and transatlantic. I think they're doing a stellar job, both on the ground and in the air. Talk about a come-back!

An example sticks out in my mind: my flight from RDU to MSP was cancelled on 4 July last year due to an incoming storm (I therefore missed my connections to AMS and TLS). It was a combination of 2 tickets booked separately, different classes etc. So a little complicated. The ground agent at the gate rebooked everything for the next day, with a smile, in less than 5 minutes. She knew exactly what to do, no hesitation. That was very impressive.

On-board: a very consistent, friendly service, I had the feeling the FA were enjoying their job.

I used to avoid US carriers, but I certainly don't avoid Delta anymore -- and as soon as the flat-beds are guaranteed across the Atlantic, I'll favor them over any other airline!

So: great job Delta, success well-deserved! Keep it up!
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:54 am

It's great to see an American carrier finally getting its act together after the nightmare that was the last decade !

Not just financially but in terms of improving products and services.

Whoever's running DL they're obviously on the ball and their ambition/objectives are obvious.

Let's hope AA emerges as a butterfly from a chrysalis...to fly off into the blue yonder afresh (!)

(Let's also hope our Iranian friends don't blast the price of oil into the stratosphere)
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 29):
Tomorrow's results will include $247 M in 'special charges', so not even close actually.

Much of that is merger related that DL had too in years prior.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 29):

Completely agree, as I said, I wish we had their management.

I'm sure UA's management wished they could have the DL pilot group too!!

Look, I'm not saying Smisek and Co. are perfect. I certainly think there are problems with UA's current management team. However, it's they're not as bad as you make them out to be.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
That said, I think Anderson has done a stellar job at DL thus far, much better than I expected when the news broke that he would be Grinstein's successor. As far as the team at UAL, the book is still out.

I don't think it's him so much as it is Halter & Hauenstein. JMHO...
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 34):
I don't think it's him so much as it is Halter & Hauenstein. JMHO...

Yeah no personal bias there.....

The TEAM has done a stellar job. As in the transcripts from the earnings call, and in the memo's to employees. They can't point out enough that this was a TEAM effort made by ALL.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 35):
Yeah no personal bias there.....

Not in this context...

I was referring to someone who opined that they thought RA was doing a great job. I contend that the 2 I mentioned are the ones doing the heavy lifting in the C-suite.

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The TEAM has done a stellar job. As in the transcripts from the earnings call, and in the memo's to employees. They can't point out enough that this was a TEAM effort made by ALL.

Put your pom poms away. We all know everyone of us did our part. Again, I was referring to a comment on RA's performance further up the thread.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 36):
Not in this context...

I was referring to someone who opined that they thought RA was doing a great job. I contend that the 2 I mentioned are the ones doing the heavy lifting in the C-suite.

CEOs aren't responsible for heavy lifting! Their job is to build a team that can execute on their vision. If RA has surrounded himself with capable people then he is doing a great job and thus deserves the credit!!! Now that doesn't mean that others don't deserve credit as well, but nobody is going to be successful if the CEO isn't putting forth a good plan/vision and retaining talented people to execute and build on his vision.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:24 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 37):
CEOs aren't responsible for heavy lifting! Their job is to build a team that can execute on their vision. If RA has surrounded himself with capable people then he is doing a great job and thus deserves the credit!!! Now that doesn't mean that others don't deserve credit as well, but nobody is going to be successful if the CEO isn't putting forth a good plan/vision and retaining talented people to execute and build on his vision.

What he said.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 33):

I'm sure UA's management wished they could have the DL pilot group too!!

If they did they would have to pay them a lot more.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:07 am

Seeing that we are talking about Delta and profits I thought I would bring up a question. I have two close friends that work in a spoke station. One has close to 17 years (part time service) and one has 12 years of part time service with some full time as well. If you can remember a few short weeks ago the big news of the NMB ruling in favor of Delta and not the IAM. Since we were now "one team" raises were in store for all, yay! Here is the question, why were the above two employees, both of who are topped out pay wise, not topped out at the Delta rate? They both received raises of 47 cents.. Far short of the Delta top out pay. Actually both of them had their retirement and pay rate level dates cut in half. One had a hire date of 1999 I believe reduced to 2006. They still keep there original hire date for bidding and non-rev travel but as stated above for pay raises they must now do an additional few years to top out, again. When they brought this up to their manager they were advised by him that it was the unions fault, "blame them" was his answer.

I thought we were one family? If we are one family what does the IAM have to do with this? Both people have put in their time and topped out in the necessary time frame, only to be told by Delta "sorry, you got to do a little more time" If we are one family why do many of the Red Tail members feel like the red headed step child?
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 43):
If we are one family why do many of the Red Tail members feel like the red headed step child?

I'm sure many people feel the same way. When two companies merge, someone always gets the end of the stick, and the unions can do nothing about it if they aren't voted in. I feel for the guys that lost representation. Being told, "That's the way it is, you'd better learn to love it" will never replace a nice CBA voted on by a group of workers making a collective decision in favor of their own well-being.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 40):
Seeing that we are talking about Delta and profits I thought I would bring up a question. I have two close friends that work in a spoke station. One has close to 17 years (part time service) and one has 12 years of part time service with some full time as well. If you can remember a few short weeks ago the big news of the NMB ruling in favor of Delta and not the IAM. Since we were now "one team" raises were in store for all, yay! Here is the question, why were the above two employees, both of who are topped out pay wise, not topped out at the Delta rate? They both received raises of 47 cents.. Far short of the Delta top out pay. Actually both of them had their retirement and pay rate level dates cut in half. One had a hire date of 1999 I believe reduced to 2006. They still keep there original hire date for bidding and non-rev travel but as stated above for pay raises they must now do an additional few years to top out, again. When they brought this up to their manager they were advised by him that it was the unions fault, "blame them" was his answer.

I thought we were one family? If we are one family what does the IAM have to do with this? Both people have put in their time and topped out in the necessary time frame, only to be told by Delta "sorry, you got to do a little more time" If we are one family why do many of the Red Tail members feel like the red headed step child?

The answer seeems very simple to me and this happened to some PMDL folks too but my question is, were they cleaners with NW during the time the mechanics striked? Without more info as to what these people were doing in '99 it would be hard to answer. And no it's not a "red tail" thing. Like I said, PMDL people were affected as well during the first round of raises.

You're not painting a very clear picture here by not giving all the info and making it seem like DL is cherry picking who gets the raises. It's all based on your Pay anniversary date and you know that. You also know that your PAD and last date of hire can be adjusted for a myrid of reasons; one listed above.

This is the sort of stuff that's spread around and how rumors start. Just to clear the air for non Delta employees, this is nothing isolated to PMNW employees. It is a Delta policy and can affect BOTH PMNW and PMDL employees.

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Just so everyone understands my point; I don't know if the 'manager' in fact said what he said but if he did he's an idiot. I'm only making these comments based on the notion that the above poster thinks Delta has some bias against NW employees. It's one thing to say "if the union was in place we could have changed this" and that's totally fine. It's a rule that I'm sure many don't like. But another to make it seem like these employees are being singled out and branded "red-headed step-children" when that's not the case.


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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 37):
CEOs aren't responsible for heavy lifting! Their job is to build a team that can execute on their vision. If RA has surrounded himself with capable people then he is doing a great job and thus deserves the credit!!!

Much of the CLT-including the 2 I mentioned- were already there when RA joined from UHC.

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 40):
Seeing that we are talking about Delta and profits I thought I would bring up a question. I have two close friends that work in a spoke station. One has close to 17 years (part time service) and one has 12 years of part time service with some full time as well. If you can remember a few short weeks ago the big news of the NMB ruling in favor of Delta and not the IAM. Since we were now "one team" raises were in store for all, yay! Here is the question, why were the above two employees, both of who are topped out pay wise, not topped out at the Delta rate? They both received raises of 47 cents.. Far short of the Delta top out pay. Actually both of them had their retirement and pay rate level dates cut in half. One had a hire date of 1999 I believe reduced to 2006. They still keep there original hire date for bidding and non-rev travel but as stated above for pay raises they must now do an additional few years to top out, again. When they brought this up to their manager they were advised by him that it was the unions fault, "blame them" was his answer.

I thought we were one family? If we are one family what does the IAM have to do with this? Both people have put in their time and topped out in the necessary time frame, only to be told by Delta "sorry, you got to do a little more time" If we are one family why do many of the Red Tail members feel like the red headed step child?

The company has decided to use a person's PAD date for pay purposes. This is similar to (but not the same as) our SIV date at NW. Any "bad time" will count against that. Also, if they were hired as temps, that will offset it as well. Remember also that DL bumped up the mid-tier steps on their scale to better match ours a couple of years ago. The October increase then mainly focused on the top step- as will the proposed July one, should it come to pass. That's all well and good, except much of the PR from the company only compared/contrasted the respective top steps of each PM scale, which unfortunately gave people the impression that they'd be receiving much higher increases than they did. I also know some people's PAD dates were simply calculated incorrectly. If your friends can't correlate the date they were given to anything, then that may be the case, and I would encourage them to follow up with any channel available to them to fix it. If you need more specific info or help, please PM me.
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 39):
If they did they would have to pay them a lot more.

I'm sure UA's management would pay more if they could get more large RJ's at the regionals.
 
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RE: Delta Reports Q4 11 And Full Year Profits

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 40):
One had a hire date of 1999 I believe reduced to 2006.

It sounds like they changed their PT dates to Full-Time Equivalent dates.
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