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LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:35 pm

According to a report at Houston Spotters, LH's A380 service to IAH which begins in August has been loaded into the schedule. However it looks like this upgrade is going to come at a price, namely a reduction in LH's IAH service by x2 days, reducing LH to a 5x weekly schedule.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:46 pm

No changes loaded in the system yet.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:08 am

Still showing a daily service as of Aug until the end of the summer schedule 2012:

LH 440 FRA 10:10 IAH 13:50 388 0 1234567 10:40 1 D 01 Aug 27 Oct
LH 441 IAH 16:20 FRA 09:05 +1 388 0 1234567 09:45 D 1 01 Aug 26 Oct
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:11 am

I hardly see them going down to 5 days a week and will be surprised if this is the case. This hub is WAY too important to LH and Star Alliance to bring it down to 5 days as week. Also, the model of the dispatching of A380's doesn't seem to suggest so either. A reduction in service to 5 days a week with an increase in capacity would suggest that this is a leisure market, and it clearly is not. That type of move I would expect at some place like MCO, not IAH.

Could be totally wrong however....

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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:18 am

LH is smartly moving 380s to connect star hubs. I can't see them not being daily into IAH. They have a long track record there and with the amassing Star fortress at Houston, with all the European commerce/energy traffic and connections into Latin American on UACO... they will do well.

Of course IAH is getting crowded. EK and QR are able to pull a lot of GCC and India-bound flyers and SQ has Moscow with a nice service.

Very glad to see the A380 coming to Texas... although was really hoping to see a nice LH 748i there!!!

O&D traffic will opt for the 380 service on LH as it is an experience (and yes, I think a lot of people DO know what they are flying on when it comes to the whale jet. I fly them regularly on EK, SQ and QF and everyone seems quite aware they are on the A380 and prefer it). You still get full UA tier and bonus benefits on LH, so frequent flyers will figure out the LH option is nicer unless it is to UK/AMS/CDG or other direct UACO route.
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:42 am

Yep, I am planning on being on the inaugural into IAH.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:42 am

United and Lufthansa have metal neutrality. If it does go down to 5x weekly on LH metal, it is still a 12x weekly service because United has a daily flight, which is more than adequate for a market the size of HOUFRA.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:06 am

I haven't heard anything like this as well. My last information was daily to IAH. Just no 744 anymore, simply adding the 380.

We will wait and see.

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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:41 pm

If it turns out that the A380 isn't full every day of the week LH is fast to replace lets say saturday/sunday connections by 748/744/346/343. So maybe in autumn Wilco goes to KIAH on saturdays?
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 8):

If it turns out that the A380 isn't full every day of the week LH is fast to replace lets say saturday/sunday connections by 748/744/346/343. So maybe in autumn Wilco goes to KIAH on saturdays?

I could imagine that a "not so full" A380 is still lower on the cost side than any A340 and maybe the B747. Additionally, cancelations like this would mess up a little bit the crew scheduling and add only additional overnight costs.
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:11 pm

The closest the A380 and 748 will ever get home.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
A reduction in service to 5 days a week with an increase in capacity would suggest that this is a leisure market, and it clearly is not.

Uh? LH has started every(?) A380 destination at less than daily. 5x weekly very much fits with LH's A380 deployment model and in no way is a plane with 100 premium seats an indication of a leisure market   Not every day of the week is popular with business passengers.
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
According to a report at Houston Spotters, LH's A380 service to IAH which begins in August has been loaded into the schedule. However it looks like this upgrade is going to come at a price, namely a reduction in LH's IAH service by x2 days, reducing LH to a 5x weekly schedule.

Why wouldn't they substitute a smaller aircraft for those two days, if they can adjust the schedule to accommodate this?
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 9):
I could imagine that a "not so full" A380 is still lower on the cost side than any A340 and maybe the B747.

That depends on the L/F, but generally I tend to agree with you.
However, you must consider that the cash they could make with deploying an A380 on another route for 2 days, eg. DXB, may well be a justification to change the metal to 744 or 346 for those days. Costs may be bigger on the one route then, but revenue on the other may be greater.
That's of course theoretical nonsense we're talking here as long as there is no word from LH's side on the 5x/7x issue.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 13):
That's of course theoretical nonsense we're talking here as long as there is no word from LH's side on the 5x/7x issue.

On lufthansa.com LH440 is A380 seven days a week starting August 1st...
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 4):
although was really hoping to see a nice LH 748i there!!!

It seems the B-747-830i will be only LH's premium service, with about 370 seats, so it will most likely go to DFW and not IAH. It will replace the daily A-343 or occasional A-333.

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 4):
Very glad to see the A380 coming to Texas

Unfortunately the LH configueration of the A-380 is 525 seats, so it will be the 'cattle-car' of the LH fleet. Since IAH is mostly a vacation spot , it will get the cattle car. DFW is mostly a business destination, so it will get the premium service of the B-747-830.
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:29 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
Unfortunately the LH configueration of the A-380 is 525 seats, so it will be the 'cattle-car' of the LH fleet. Since IAH is mostly a vacation spot , it will get the cattle car. DFW is mostly a business destination, so it will get the premium service of the B-747-830.

Huh? Houston is not a vacation spot. Like Dallas, Houston is primarily about business.

Houston is getting the A 380 because if its connectability and the local oil market to various places in Africa and the Middle East, not for its tourism.

[Edited 2012-01-26 15:31:46]
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:06 am

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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
Unfortunately the LH configueration of the A-380 is 525 seats, so it will be the 'cattle-car' of the LH fleet. Since IAH is mostly a vacation spot , it will get the cattle car. DFW is mostly a business destination, so it will get the premium service of the B-747-830.

IAH is not a vacation spot. IAH-FRA is a high yield/high volume route since IAH and FRA are both Star hubs that allows connections for Europe, Africa, and South America.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:30 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
Unfortunately the LH configueration of the A-380 is 525 seats, so it will be the 'cattle-car' of the LH fleet. Since IAH is mostly a vacation spot , it will get the cattle car. DFW is mostly a business destination, so it will get the premium service of the B-747-830.

I'm sorry, but you have really displayed a true lack of knowledge with this post. First, DFW is one of LH's worst performing North American routes. I seriously doubt they will get the 747-8. Second, as stated above, Houston is anything but a vacation destination. Third, the A380 is the jewel of the LH fleet no matter how you want to spin it. Insinuating that routes that get the 747-8 instead of the A380 are the more prestigious routes is just asinine. Fourth, IAH is getting the A380 because it is a premium heavy market, and it is connecting two Star Alliance hubs.

In responding to the topic at hand, LH is not going to be reducing IAH to 5x weekly. That is just silly.
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
It seems the B-747-830i will be only LH's premium service, with about 370 seats, so it will most likely go to DFW and not IAH. It will replace the daily A-343 or occasional A-333.

DFW is on the very, very bottom of the list of cities who will see the 747-830i first. For LH, DFW is a so-so performer, and a good 333/343 candidate at best.

To say that LH will send the 748i to DFW is like saying BA will send one of its A380s to ATL or BWI.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):

I've met a lot of Germans on vacation on Galveston Island.

Well that's unfortunate. Clearly, whichever travel agency they consulted turned out to be quite the scam.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 19):
First, DFW is one of LH's worst performing North American routes.

and I fear it is going to get crippled even more when EK comes onboard...
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21):
and I fear it is going to get crippled even more when EK comes onboard...

EK is going to hurt LH's thru traffic to India. There is no doubt about that. But a lot of that is low yield. I don't know if it will be a big enough hit to the F/J traffic to force LH's hand at DFW.
 
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 22):
EK is going to hurt LH's thru traffic to India. There is no doubt about that. But a lot of that is low yield. I don't know if it will be a big enough hit to the F/J traffic to force LH's hand at DFW.

The carrier Im most worried about is KLM.

DFW-FRA is a lot bigger than DFW-AMS (in fact its larger than IAH-FRA) and DFW-AMS is pretty low yielding. But the Y cabin of both flights tends to be primarily India/Africa bound.

If KLM left, then LH would probably stablize. Funny thing is before ATI with BA/AA, LH ran rings around BA at DFW.
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RE: LH A380 To IAH, Now The No So Good News.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 19):
I'm sorry, but you have really displayed a true lack of knowledge with this post. First, DFW is one of LH's worst performing North American routes. I seriously doubt they will get the 747-8. Second, as stated above, Houston is anything but a vacation destination. Third, the A380 is the jewel of the LH fleet no matter how you want to spin it. Insinuating that routes that get the 747-8 instead of the A380 are the more prestigious routes is just asinine. Fourth, IAH is getting the A380 because it is a premium heavy market, and it is connecting two Star Alliance hubs.

There is nothing to add to this post.
I see LH deploying the 748 also on routes to North America (aside some Indian routes) where there is a hub on both sides on the Atlantic. My guess would be IAD, ORD, LAX and maybe YYZ.

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