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Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Sun Oct 08, 2000 10:13 pm

I have been wondering about this question for quite some time.I hope you guys have an answer. While playing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000, I came across this airport: ICAO Code 'PF68' (It's two runways are only 800 feet long) A Cessna taking off from that field must be quite a challenge!

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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Sun Oct 08, 2000 11:06 pm

it says a cessna 152 can takeoff at 852 ft, our airpiort has a runwayu thats 2350 thats a challange for me and the longest i think is in arizona i think its 15,000ft but im not sure i know jfk has one thats 14,000ft
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Sun Oct 08, 2000 11:15 pm

For the shortest I can tell you that Bell Helicopters have a facility here in Montreal which have 2 runway, one is around 200ft and the other one around 400ft ...no no, i didn't forget a 0 at the end. Of course these are for use by helos...

For the longest use the search function with "longest runway", this have been discussed before...
But Denver should start building its new runway soon, it will be the longest one of all 16,000ft!!!! With this new runway 747 will be able to depart fully loaded from there ...because DEN being in atlitude (approx. 5,000ft) and god knows it gets hot there on summer, so no wonder they need this type of RWY.

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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Sun Oct 08, 2000 11:34 pm

Well, what I know that Edwards Air Force Base in south CA has one of the longest. The runaway is 14994 ft long!
They use space shuttle there so I think that is why it is so long.
I have no idea which runaway who is shortest.

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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Mon Oct 09, 2000 1:08 am

I can tell you that the world's longest runway is in South Africa, but no more. Try fishing around for it on FS2000

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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Mon Oct 09, 2000 4:23 am

The longest runway is probably Groom Lake (Dreamland) (Area 51 for you uninitiated) though we all know this place doesn't really exist.  

However, I can tell you that there are no UFO's (at least of the alien variety) operating there.
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Mon Oct 09, 2000 12:30 pm

Groom Lake is correct- there was an article about it in the NY Time a few months ago and it said that the longest runway is 26,000 ft. In terms of civil, it will be DEN, but I think JFK has the longest at 14572 ft. Why would an airport at sea level need such a long runway? It isn't for the Concorde, as that only requires 11,000 ft (I think), and 747's should have no problem with that, Does anyone know why?

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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Mon Oct 09, 2000 1:17 pm

Another long one is at MWH Grant County Int"l Airport at Moses Lake, Wa where
many pilots practice the new 747's. It is 13,503 ft for 14L/32R.

A very short one is DUT Dutch Harbor, Alaska. It is 3900 ft and accepts AS 737's and Reeve L-188 Electras!
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Tue Oct 10, 2000 3:59 am

I don't very much like this feet thing, most Europeans have to think twice yo convert to metres, but KKN (Høybuktmoen, Kirkenes, Norway) was 1600 metres and had (still has) daily DC9 (now more frequently MD) services. In mid winter (no sun, but loads of snow and and ice) you sometimes got that queasy feeling. No accidents though, and the runway has now been extended.
Most impressive was, at an airshow I saw a DHC6 taking off across (not along!) the runway at KKN. This was in summer though. And not a commercial flight. The boys just wanted to have a good time.
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Tue Oct 10, 2000 4:27 am

To "USAFHummer":

My guess is that JFK had such a long runway to accommodate the very long takeoff rolls of the early jets. A fully-loaded 707 or DC-8, with their original turbojets, really ate up asphalt and concrete - especially on a hot day.

I have been on some TWA 707-131s that I thought would *never* get off the ground - and that was just for a STL-CLE flight!

I also read somewhere that the first 747s (-100s) were so underpowered for their size that they would eat up most of that runway (13R/31L) at JFK just to become airborne when departing on an international (or even just a transcon) flight. That same writer described his JFK-LAX flight on a TW 747-131 as not having been able to climb to its cruising altitude (30,000+) until just east of STL! And this was *not* because of ATC limitations...the a/c was just too heavy and the engines too underpowered, relatively speaking.
 
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Tue Oct 10, 2000 5:28 am

Check out WWW.Airnav.com for all airports info on runways, etc. A piece of almost useless trivia..FWA has the longest runway(5/23 @12000ft) between ORD and JFK. Yes the early 707's were called "water wagons" Bbinchi. Cold water was injected during takeoff roll to help condense the air for a bit more power. Talk about seat of your pants takeoffs!

An old Western pilot(now deceased) told me of the early days taking off at MEX, DEN etc on hot days...used everyF...... inch of concrete he said. Bless the souls of all thos pilots from the "water wagon" days!
 
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Tue Oct 10, 2000 6:46 am

Tan flyr:

Yes, I am well acquainted with the "water wagons" as my stepfather was a mechanic for TW. You're right - those takeoffs were often *just* in time! And didn't those JT3C-6/7 engines scream (not to mention belch out the thickest, blackest exhaust)!!

By the way, do you happen to know if the -320 model (TW's -331) of the 707 was also a "water wagon?" I'm not sure if the JT4A-11 turbojets used water injection.

As for using every inch of runway...I love this photo:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=41994
 
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 2:35 am

As Tan Flyr mentioned, FWA has a 12,000' runway, here is a good look at it.

Notice the golf course at the end (top/right). Nothing like trying to sink a 12 foot putt during an approach. Woohooooo!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=41311

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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 2:56 am

Actually, the longest runway in the world is the one at Edwards AFB that juts out to Rogers Dry Lake--it's supposed to be (including the dry lake bed) 63,360' long. I believe there are makings on the lake bed itself that extends this all the way out into the lake from the concrete runway.
 
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RE: Which Is Shortest And Longest Runway?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 3:13 am

bbinchi....I am not totally sure, but I believe that the JT4 were not water wagons. Those were all early JT3's.

If I am wrong, please correct me someone.Thanks!

BTW.jetservice. great shot of the old hometown airport!