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CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:09 pm

Last year Continental announced that the EWR-BER flight will be upgraded to a B-767-400 instead of the mix of 752/762 ! After looking for flights in the summer I noticed that all flights during the summer will only be flown with B-757-200 !
Why and when has it been downgraded again! The yields are supposed to be quite good as Business is always full?
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:11 pm

Future IAD - BER maybe?
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 1):
Future IAD - BER maybe?

If you believe talk at the Starbucks counter, there's the possibility of an Dulles-to-Berlin (EDDB?) 332.

Whose aircraft that would be I couldn't guess.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
If you believe talk at the Starbucks counter, there's the possibility of an Dulles-to-Berlin (EDDB?) 332.

Whose aircraft that would be I couldn't guess.

Aer lingus?
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:42 pm

Probably because the 757 can handle Berlin-Newark during the summer months....

But I agree with the op -- not sure why it's a 757 for the summer when tourism will probably be up.
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
Whose aircraft that would be I couldn't guess.
Aer lingus?


As far as I can tell. their only unspoken-for aircraft is a 333.

That's too much airplane for that particular route.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:43 pm

Did not hear anything about a possible IAD start! 333/332 of Aer Lingus sounds not right, as they already have problems with their union with the MAD flight etc. A 763 to IAD would be nice or even to ORD ! But still the 764 would be nice here in Berlin as advertised !

Of course the 752 can easily make it in the summer but the capicity is not enough! Not even Delta is coming back !!!!  
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:27 pm

I wonder if the 752 has the legs in both directions. I'm not sure of distances but would assume distance is greater than EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

Demand would be strong I would suspect for this route.

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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:20 am

EWR-TXL has been a 752 since the beginning. Only the last few winters has the flight been a 762 to handle the TXL-EWR flight. I expect the flight could use a PMUA 763 once they start further integration of planes throughout the network.
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:31 am

Well as I said , they did announce an upgrade on the 764 last fall and they were loaded in GDS already, but now the flight changed back to 752!
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:48 am

I think with Delta coming off the route, the yield potential has improved and they can simply achieve a higher yield with the 757. The 764 can probably generate a higher yield elsewhere.

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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:35 pm

There are a lot of bigger tourist draws than Berlin in Europe. The 764 can probably make more money serving one of them during the tourist season.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 1):
Future IAD - BER maybe?
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
If you believe talk at the Starbucks counter, there's the possibility of an Dulles-to-Berlin (EDDB?) 332.

I hope and pray that these rumors are true. It would make life much easier. However, for it to happen in summer, 2012, it seems like it would have already been announced. We shall see what we shall see.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
There are a lot of bigger tourist draws than Berlin in Europe. The 764 can probably make more money serving one of them during the tourist season.

I'm not sure how you can make that claim! Berlin is the third most visited tourist destination in Europe, after London and Paris.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Thread starter):
Why and when has it been downgraded again!

I expect the current economic situation in Europe, and the likelihood that it's going to get much worse before it gets better, is a factor. Virtually all European carriers and many other carriers serving Europe are experiencing lower demand and are cutting capacity as a result.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting freeskies (Reply 13):
I'm not sure how you can make that claim!

The same way everyone makes claims on the internet... by saying the first thing that comes to mind, without checking whether it's true!  

I really am excited to see how BER shuffles out though over the next few years, with the AB hub, LH's claimed secondary hub, etc. I have to imagine yields on BER-NYC are tough though -- not a ton of premium traffic due to the lack of corporate HQ's in Berlin, and the relatively low incomes there compared to other major European hubs. Even government flights are split -- most ministries retain a large presence back in Bonn!

Such a fantastic city though, and VERY popular with the younger crowd. I'm guessing AB will sew up that market pretty well, though there certainly should be room for a major US carrier!
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting freeskies (Reply 13):
Berlin is the third most visited tourist destination in Europe, after London and Paris.

Really?

According to these statistics, it's 15th in Europe.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting Kiwinlondon (Reply 7):
I wonder if the 752 has the legs in both directions. I'm not sure of distances but would assume distance is greater than EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

Well, the A/C definitely has the legs. Boeing lists the 757-200 as having a range of 3,900 nm, and EWR-TXL clocks in at 3,460 nm according to Great Circle. (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=EWR-TXL&MS=wls&DU=nm)

CO also uses the 752 on EWR-STR, another one which runs over 3,400 nm.
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
Really?

According to these statistics, it's 15th in Europe.

With Bucharest ranked higher than Amsterdam or Prague, this statistic seems to be way off. Additionally, it should be clear that the percentage of international visitors is smaller in a larger country (note: in Europe, international does not equal intercontinental). That's why comparisons usually use the bednights for city rankings. Berlin is on the third spot since 2010.
 
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:07 pm

I've noticed that for the Summer coming up that the second daily EWR-FRA flight has changed from a 757 to a 764. I think they swapped the equipment for the EWR-TXL flight and the second daily EWR-FRA flight this Summer.

EWR-FRA 1 764, 1 777
EWR-BER 1 757

It previously was shown as:

EWR-FRA 1 757, 777
EWR-BER 1 764
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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Kiwinlondon (Reply 7):
EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

BRS's runway is quite short at 2,011m, 6,598ft, which could be the cause of this.

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RE: CO/UA To Use 752 To BER Instead Of 764?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting signol (Reply 20):
Quoting Kiwinlondon (Reply 7):
EWR-BRS which I know struggles westbound?

BRS's runway is quite short at 2,011m, 6,598ft, which could be the cause of this.

You seem to be implying that CO still operates EWR-BRS. They dropped that route well over a year ago, in November 2010.
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