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ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:40 pm

Todays (26.1.2012)ANA flight from Frankfurt back to Haneda was cancelled due to technical problems...according to some info in FRA, the flight will also stay on the ground tomorrow and might maybe only leave on saturday...

Anybody has more info on this??
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:26 pm

Wonder if this is an engine replacement situation.
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
Wonder if this is an engine replacement situation

I would highly dought it. We would be hearing alot more if it was. On another note, wonder if they will be sending a 77W to replace the aircraft while it gets seriviced?

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting luxair_ca (Thread starter):
Todays (26.1.2012)ANA flight from Frankfurt back to Haneda was cancelled due to technical problems...according to some info in FRA, the flight will also stay on the ground tomorrow and might maybe only leave on saturday...

That would be too bad for the passengers booked on the flight. But since I am flying to FRA tomorrow I might get to see the B787 real live for the first time.  . Every disadvantage has an advantage.  .
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:45 pm

Listen, I am no fan of Boeing or the 787, but things break on all aircraft. If it's AOG they will fix it as soon as they can; until then it sits on the ground. Like any other plane.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:54 pm

Every 787 problem is also blown out of proportion.

The only problems that get blown out of proportion worse, are anything to do with QANTAS.  
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 4):
But since I am flying to FRA tomorrow I might get to see the B787 real live for the first time.  

Does anybody know where they stored the NH 787? I cannot imagine that LH Technik can help right now but who knows.

[Edited 2012-01-26 13:34:59 by srbmod]
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
Wonder if this is an engine replacement situation.

Not if they're talking about flying out within 48 hours...even a really good and experienced engine change team needs a full night do to an engine swap at home. We're talking about a new type at an outstation far from home that I'm going to bet big money didn't have a spare Trent1000 sitting there.

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting luxair_ca (Thread starter):
Todays (26.1.2012)ANA flight from Frankfurt back to Haneda was cancelled due to technical problems...according to some info in FRA, the flight will also stay on the ground tomorrow and might maybe only leave on saturday...

Are you sure?

ANA204 (JA805A) is heading back to Japan as of right now. Or is this a different plane as what you are referring to?

http://sv.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA204
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:49 pm

Sounds like a sensor rather than an engine... Of course the idea it was an engine was only supposition.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting flynorth (Reply 8):
ANA204 (JA805A) is heading back to Japan as of right now. Or is this a different plane as what you are referring to?

This shows cancelled due to aircraft maintenance.

http://fli.ana.co.jp/fs/inten
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7):
Not if they're talking about flying out within 48 hours...even a really good and experienced engine change team needs a full night do to an engine swap at home. We're talking about a new type at an outstation far from home that I'm going to bet big money didn't have a spare Trent1000 sitting there.

Tom.

A spare could arrive by the morning, or more likely, spare parts. The RR factory is pretty close. RR technicians who know how to change out a 787 engine could arrive with it. Just saying...
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:59 pm

It looks like they are on their way back to Haneda. I wish them all a safe flight!

I was on board the brand new international configured ANA B-787 Dreamliner on her very first HND-FRA long haul inaugural flight.

All went very nicely without any glitches. I saw the aircraft departing from the gate and getting her shower before she headed to the runway for take-off.

It was all a wondeful unforgettable experience. I have posted Part 1 of my trip report and Part 2 will be posted soon.

I hope all will be back in order very soon and the Princess Dreamliner JA805A will be able to do her regular runs to Frankfurt without any trouble.

All new aircrafts have their own teething problems. Think of the A380s. I hope the ANA Dreamliners will all fly safely in the months and years to come!

  

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6):
Does anybody know where they stored the NH 787? I cannot imagine that LH Technik can help right now but who knows.

I was at the Zeppelinheim viewing deck today, and I bet my wife €10 that a ANA 787 was stranded - I saw it parked nose south, down at the Cargo section (not cargo süd)....
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 13):
I was at the Zeppelinheim viewing deck today, and I bet my wife €10 that a ANA 787 was stranded - I saw it parked nose south, down at the Cargo section (not cargo süd)....

So did you take the money from your wife. Flightaware i not reporting right as it shows the flight in en route how two other tracking site shows the flight cancel.

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:43 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 11):
A spare could arrive by the morning, or more likely, spare parts. The RR factory is pretty close. RR technicians who know how to change out a 787 engine could arrive with it. Just saying...

I don't care if you've got the best cracker-jack RR/Boeing AOG team in existance, if you shred an engine at a site away from your maintenance facility and without a spare engine on site, you're not flying again in 48 hours.

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 14):

When i walked home at 6pm it was still parked... I will call tower and ask :-p
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:05 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 15):
without a spare engine on site

Tom, any proof that it is an engine?...
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:31 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 17):
Tom, any proof that it is an engine?...

No no no, quite the opposite. I was responding to a speculation higher up:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
Wonder if this is an engine replacement situation.

combined with this:

Quoting luxair_ca (Thread starter):
according to some info in FRA, the flight will also stay on the ground tomorrow and might maybe only leave on saturday..

My point was that *either* it's not an engine replacement problem or it's not leaving Friday/Saturday. I have no idea what the problem actually was.

Tom.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:19 am

2 things I can confirm:

1) it was NO engine problem,
2) it left FRA yesterday evening.

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[Edited 2012-01-31 23:17:46]
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:52 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):
2 this I can cinfutm:

1) it was NO engine problem,
2) it left FRA yesterday evening.

Wilco737

But it left empty? Flightaware shows the flight but ANA shows the service as having been cancelled.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:57 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20):
But it left empty?

I don't know, sorry. The above information are the only I have.

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:33 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 14):
Flightaware i not reporting right as it shows the flight in en route how two other tracking site shows the flight cancel.

Outside the US, Flightaware is about as accurate as the marketing schedules. They do not have any other information than the flight plans - only inside the US there is a real time update. Same is true with most other flight tracking systems, none is complete with a low error rate.

Good to hear the problem seems to have been minor - better be careful than sorry, especially on a brand new aircraft. The 787 will share with the A380 that every fly in the cockpit will make it to the media and a.net. Always save landings, on time departures are less important.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:43 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):
2) it left FRA yesterday evening.

I landed at 08:15 in FRA. And due to a rather long bus ride I saw all the planes parked at FRA. But no B787. Wilco's post explained why. Too bad that I have to wait a bit longer to see the B787 real live for the first time.  .

But it is good that she is on her way again.  .
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:58 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20):
But it left empty? Flightaware shows the flight but ANA shows the service as having been cancelled

I could be wrong but I don't think the flight left empty, If it did left empty, then shouldn't the flight back to home base be a different flight number?

[Edited 2012-01-27 01:05:16]
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:05 am

Quoting flyingbird (Reply 22):
It's landing in Tokyo right now.
http://www.flightradar24.com/2012-01...NA204

I trusted JA805A would make it back to HND safely. She is a wonderful aircraft.

I am proud to be a passenger on the first HND-FRA with ANA 21 January 2012 the very first long haul commercial flight for a B-787 Dreamliner the very first all carbon fiber aircraft.

A revolution in air frame technology.

Thank you ANA and Boeing!

     
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:15 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 25):
I could be wrong but I don't think the flight left empty, If it did left empty, then shouldn't the flight back to home base be a different flight number?

Maybe the flight number should have been changed but ANA have still have the service as cancelled on their website from which I deduce it was cancelled and carried no PAX, the flight did suffer a 10 hour delay, FRA being a hub it is most likely that all passengers could have been accommodated on other carriers but we will have to wait for reports as to what actually happened.

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Mostly carbon fiber aircraft.
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:43 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 5):
Every 787 problem is also blown out of proportion.

The only problems that get blown out of proportion worse, are anything to do with QANTAS.  

Add the A380.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 27):
FRA being a hub it is most likely that all passengers could have been accommodated on other carriers

Very likely indeed. The FRA-HND leaves fairly early in the day, long before the FRA-NRT flights on NH, LH and JL. If those flights had not had enough capacity, it would also still been early enough to re-route pax via MUC, VIE, CPH, ZRH and who knows where else. Oh, and LH's FRA-KIX and FRA-NGO flights are also in the afternoon, those would have been options as well.

Luckily, the 787 is not very big. Re-routing everyone off a full A380 would be a lot trickier!
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:11 pm

Dawg, I bet the passengers were praying for a LH A380 ride home.   

Hope it got home safely and can make it back to Europe in the future.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 29):
Luckily, the 787 is not very big. Re-routing everyone off a full A380 would be a lot trickier!

It's not that small either but luckily ANA is running it with an A320 seat count.
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting na (Reply 28):
Add the A380.

The 380 was mentioned in a prior post, but it seems to be missing now. That's why my post says "also".
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 27):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 26):
the very first all carbon fiber aircraft.

Mostly carbon fiber aircraft.

Indeed, just over 50% by weight if I am not mistaken.

Does anyone know already a bit more about what the problem was?

[Edited 2012-01-27 11:44:55]
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:57 pm

Maybe some of Japanese friends who are just waking can help?
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 11):
RR technicians who know how to change out a 787 engine could arrive with it. Just saying...

RR won´t change the engine. They will work ON the engine itself, if necessary, but not on the airframe / engine interface.
Also, you would need to get the engine change kit (several big, heavy boxes full of hoists, beams etc.) for this respective aircraft type and two inspectors plus crew to FRA ASAP (not to mention the engine or the small parts and a spare engine cradle to lower the old engine into). I doubt that LH has one sitting around in their hangar.
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 31):
It's not that small either but luckily ANA is running it with an A320 seat count.

The Economy class seat spacing on the ANA international configured B-787 Dreamliner is very well balanced allowing a fair amount of leg room. I did not feel cramped at all during the Haneda to Frankfurt flight. Row 21 the first row of the mini whY cabin and row 24 the first row of the main whY cabin offer a lot of leg room, row 24 being an exit row.

The economy seats were very good and comfy, much better than average. See all the details on my trip report.

I hope the beautiful JA805A will be back at Frankfurt airport very soon.
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:07 pm

I might be wrong or mixing it up with JAL but isn't LH Technik the maintenance contractor for 787 checks anyway?
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:32 pm

No news yet on the cause??

Would be interesting to know.

Quoting na (Reply 28):
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 5):
Every 787 problem is also blown out of proportion.

The only problems that get blown out of proportion worse, are anything to do with QANTAS.  

Add the A380.
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 32):

The 380 was mentioned in a prior post, but it seems to be missing now. That's why my post says "also".

I mentioned that actually, but the post got deleted.
Perhaps I expressed myself wrong…..it was not meant to be negative on B787.

Just curious to see what caused this.

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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:55 pm

Yes LH technik are the only european 787 tech guys right now, GEs engines only? Is this really wise as the 787 will go all around europe soon? Its a bit different bird this one, not like repairing a 737.. Even if a fair bit of this bird is manufactured in europe..
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 5):
Every 787 problem is also blown out of proportion.

As was (is) every A380 problem.......just a feature of the industry I suppose......

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7):
We're talking about a new type at an outstation far from home that I'm going to bet big money didn't have a spare Trent1000 sitting there.

From what I hear, you'd be surprised what inventory is where........  

I was on a bus yesterday afternoon going round FRA on the way to get a flight, turned a corner, and there she was! Given the hype, I was amazed just how much she looked like, well, an aeroplane, with a fuselage, wings and engines!!
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:27 am

So what was the problem with the A/C? Or perhaps there was nothing wrong with the A/C or it got fixed and she left FRA since no ones seems to find what happen to her. Or Are we blowing it out of proportion here?
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:12 pm

I heard that todays flight was cancelled as well, does anybody know more?
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:32 pm

It seems awfully quiet about the reason for the B787 cancelled flight(s). Is ANA keeping their lips extremely tight sealed? Normally we would have known something and it would have been posted here.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 42):
I heard that todays flight was cancelled as well, does anybody know more?

It appears so, based on FA and ANA's website.

I was trying to dig up some info on the previous tech issue this morning but couldn't find anything. Quite surprising, really, given all the hype and exposure - no mention anywhere. All I found was a photo of an LH's 380 rotating in FRA with ANA's bird stranded in the background:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32090718@N05/6766412019/in/photostream/
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:37 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 43):
It seems awfully quiet about the reason for the B787 cancelled flight(s). Is ANA keeping their lips extremely tight sealed? Normally we would have known something and it would have been posted here.

Airlines are always tight lipped about what causes delays and cancellations. That's for them to review internally and share with the manufacturer and airlines in their trusted circle (as Airbus likes to put it, silver circle, gold circle, etc).

I think a big reason why you don't see much information is there aren't many ANA insiders on A.net. While present, the Japanese A.net community isn't as large and vocal as some of the other communities.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 44):
All I found was a photo of an LH's 380 rotating in FRA with ANA's bird stranded in the background:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/3209071...ream/

Don't want to be picky, but thats a Singapore A380
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 46):
Don't want to be picky

Picky, picky   There's a disconnect between my mind and fingers lately  
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 45):
Airlines are always tight lipped about what causes delays and cancellations. That's for them to review internally and share with the manufacturer and airlines in their trusted circle (as Airbus likes to put it, silver circle, gold circle, etc).

I think a big reason why you don't see much information is there aren't many ANA insiders on A.net. While present, the Japanese A.net community isn't as large and vocal as some of the other communities.

And yet for the longest time, it seemed every little A380 glitch hit the media. Besides, there are various other sources outside of ANA insiders, from the pax to FRA ground staff, etc. Yet not a peep anywhere.
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:06 pm

Japanese tweet from unknown source cites flap problems for previous issue.

Google translation: "For long-distance aircraft of 787 (JA805A) tone is too bad. 27-HND FRA has canceled the day after a four hour delay on flap problems, ferry back to the HND in FRA."
 
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RE: ANA B-787 Stuck In Frankfurt AOG

Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 44):
Quite surprising, really

Not with a japanese company.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 45):
Airlines are always tight lipped about what causes delays and cancellations

Especially a japanese company.

Between the culture of not making any negative news public until sometimes it's too late and tragedy occurs, and the language barrier many face, we can only really find the cause by consulting well connected members of a.net and hope for the best.
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