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American Unveils 777-300ER With Sky Interior

Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:38 pm

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Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:40 pm

The new First Class and Business Class seating looks very nice.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:44 pm

except for the fact that coach will be in a crampy 3 x 4 x 3 configuration... ouch!!!
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:45 pm

I know how will that even work!?

[Edited 2012-01-26 15:47:01]
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 2):
except for the fact that coach will be in a crampy 3 x 4 x 3 configuration... ouch!!!

Do we know this yet?
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:02 am

yes.. its being discussed on FlyerTalk and AA said that the premium economy will be 3 x 3 x 3 and regular economy will be 3 x 4 x 3....

I know that 737 seats are only 17" wide as well, but at least on 737s you have a bit of room because of the armrest.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:04 am

Wow, thanks for the heads up.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:07 am

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 3):
I know how will that even work!?

Same way it already works on Emirates, Air New Zealand, Air France...and I'm sure a few others.

And if you look at the image at the bottom of the flightglobal article you see the answer....very narrow aisles!

[Edited 2012-01-26 16:14:19]
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:10 am

wow! looks amazing...

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:11 am

That is a great looking DL plane! I am only kidding, very nice though....
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:14 am

When I saw the image of the entryway I literally yelled/said "WOW." It's quite a nice step backward for AA! (Backward into the pre-deregulaton era, )

I have to say, the renderings of the new J and C cabins lead me to think that AA intends to revamp it's entire brand image. Yes, I feel like a new livery (or livery update) may be in the works.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:01 am

Configuration should be roughly 8F 52J 30W 220Y.

10 abreast economy on the 777 is being expanded to another airline.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:08 am

Wow, that J class looks great! Certainly looks on par with some of the J/F hybrids other US airlines offer, at least IMO. And the Flagship Suite continues to keep its style, while updating it! Fantastic!

I assume these products will be rolled out on the 77E and 763?

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:11 am

Looking good there! It seems that American is very slowly evolving from the current garbage of an airline that it is into the prime carrier that passengers look forward to flying with, which it once was. Now, they mustn't forget to tackle that horrible ground and onboard service because seats and TVs are not enough. Fingers crossed for AA!

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:24 am

The biz class shot on the Facebook page is interesting. It appears that they have new ceiling panels (over the aisles) and have changed the bin handles. Are these changes real, and are they coming to other new 777s?
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
10 abreast economy on the 777 is being expanded to another airline.

Is that a statement about the change at AA, or some other airline in addition to AA?
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 5):
Do we know this yet?

The picture in the article shows a bank of 4 Y seats. I think it's safe to infer that the configuration will be 3-4-3.

3-4-3 for Y on the 777 is the way of the future, whether we like it or not. A 3-3-3 777 can't even come close to competing against a 3-3-3 A350 or 787.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:38 am

Seeing as the 777 was built for coach with 9 abreast seating, I don't care how fancy an entryway is, I won't be flying on it. It's bad enough that the airlines are bogarting your legspace, let alone cramming another freaking seat in laterally. Lame!!
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:44 am

Question: AA states that they will introduce a modified version of the Flagship Suite. Does anybody know what will be enhanced? All I can see is a larger TV monitor and more privacy in the reclined position.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
3-4-3 for Y on the 777 is the way of the future, whether we like it or not

Except by voting with our $$s. Which is exactly what I have done and it's NZ's loss and UA gain. Yes I'll take a fairly crappie, non AVOD B744 over a 10 abreast B777 any day, I've done four long sectors on EK's, never again!

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 22):
es I'll take a fairly crappie, non AVOD B744 over a 10 abreast B777 any day

744s have much narrower seats than 9Y 777s. The difference between a 744 and a 10Y 777 generally ranges from zero to a quarter of an inch, depending on the width of the aisles on the 777.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting blink182 (Reply 21):

Question: AA states that they will introduce a modified version of the Flagship Suite. Does anybody know what will be enhanced? All I can see is a larger TV monitor and more privacy in the reclined position.


It's a totally new seat. Same basic idea, but entirely redesigned.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 23):
744s have much narrower seats than 9Y 777s. The difference between a 744 and a 10Y 777 generally ranges from zero to a quarter of an inch, depending on the width of the aisles on the 777.

From personal experience: I fit in a 10 abreast B744 seat on QF, BA,JL, AF; I do not fit in a 10 abreast B77W seat on EK. It's more like 15 to 20mm in practice than 6mm IN MY EXPERIENCE, your experience may vary, but I'm not spending my $$s on anybodies 10 abreast B777.

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:13 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 25):
From personal experience: I fit in a 10 abreast B744 seat on QF, BA,JL, AF; I do not fit in a 10 abreast B77W seat on EK. It's more like 15 to 20mm in practice than 6mm IN MY EXPERIENCE, your experience may vary, but I'm not spending my $$s on anybodies 10 abreast B777.

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Agreed

Am I the only one underwhelmed by this interior? Stars on the ceiling, Airbus has been doing that with EK since they got the A345?
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:48 am

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
That is a great looking DL plane! I am only kidding, very nice though....

DL's interpretation, design, and execution of this seat is awful. The materials and color palette are cold and cheap looking and sadly, move the brand further away from that of a true global player. the came can be said for DLs other premium seats.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 22):
Except by voting with our $$s. Which is exactly what I have done and it's NZ's loss and UA gain. Yes I'll take a fairly crappie, non AVOD B744 over a 10 abreast B777 any day, I've done four long sectors on EK's, never again!

What is the seat pitch in AA's new 3-4-3 config Y cabin? While I have only flown EK in J, at least EK offers 34" pitch as consolation. Regardless, I understand the claustrophobic, uncomfortable, high density flyer experience.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:54 am

F and J look really awesome - these appear to be easily the best premium cabins of any U.S. airline.

Y looks great, too, except the 3-4-3, which sucks.

Glad to see the (relatively) huge PTV screens, though - that will be a vast improvement, as will (almost) everything else about this new cabin.

They need to get those F and J cabins onto the 777-200ERs, and some upgraded J seat onto the 767-300ERs, soon. I suppose they're trying to wait the 767s out and just stretch them along until the 787s start arriving, but that's not going to be for several more years and those cabins are simply not competitive anymore.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 6):
yes.. its being discussed on FlyerTalk and AA said that the premium economy will be 3 x 3 x 3 and regular economy will be 3 x 4 x 3....


"American will also offer an Economy Class premium seat product, which will include additional legroom for seats in the forward portion of the cabin, allowing greater personal space and convenient access when boarding and deplaning."

Where is it mentioned that the config is 3-3-3?

Looks like it's not the non-US carrier version of Premium Economy. Instead it's Economy AAdjusted -- offering same seat, more legroom, same Economy food.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 28):
They need to get those F and J cabins onto the 777-200ERs, and some upgraded J seat onto the 767-300ERs, soon.

AA can certainly not move any slower than DL!
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 28):
F and J look really awesome - these appear to be easily the best premium cabins of any U.S. airline.

AA did a great job with F and J. How will other service elements improve?

My partner and I have flown paid F on BA on their new product. I'm not sure yet that my dollars would go to AA yet. I do however think I would try AA J over BA's J which is too dense feeling to me. I do prefer BAs 6 abreast J to UAs 6 abreast J.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:14 am

Y looks just horribly disgusting. Narrow, cramped and what looks like a very uncomfortable seat with a big plastic shell. I doubt my back would handle this for 10+ hours, especially if not on an aisle.
Give me 757 across the pond any day over this, please!

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 27):
What is the seat pitch in AA's new 3-4-3 config Y cabin?

Based on the picture only: cramped. I would guess-timate 31", but would not frisk flying it to make sure I'm right.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 25):
From personal experience: I fit in a 10 abreast B744 seat on QF, BA,JL, AF; I do not fit in a 10 abreast B77W seat on EK. It's more like 15 to 20mm in practice than 6mm IN MY EXPERIENCE, your experience may vary, but I'm not spending my $$s on anybodies 10 abreast B777.

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 29):
Y looks just horribly disgusting. Narrow, cramped and what looks like a very uncomfortable seat with a big plastic shell. I doubt my back would handle this for 10+ hours, especially if not on an aisle.
Give me 757 across the pond any day over this, please!

Im kinda confused about how you come to this conclusion based on a computer generated image of the seats! It looks very similar to the new BA economy seat which I can assure you is more comfortable then its predcessor which I always thought was then the most comfortable Y class seat!

And do any airlines fly 757s on flight sectors over 10 hours??? I doubt it!
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:24 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 29):
Narrow, cramped and what looks like a very uncomfortable seat with a big plastic shell.

Isn't that kind of what coach is?
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:18 am

The way of the future is more and more Titanic-like every round of upgrades. J and F get more and more luxurious and basic Y gets worse. So many airlines already do it...I.e. Emirates, Etihad, Air New Zealand, Austrian, Tam, Air France/KLM, Alitalia, ANA, China Southern, JAL... It's just the way it is.

I'm sure we will eventually see 11-abreast A380s too. They definitely have the room.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:28 am

Has AA announced how many Seats will be in each cabin. F J Y? Also, there was talk circulating that AA would be introducing a Y+ product on its international routes; presumably starting with the 77W. Is there any news of how many, if any Y+ seats, and what type of service it would be (BA style that is an enhanced Y product, or UA style with more leg room but same service as in Y)?
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:50 am

AA hasn't announce anything about the final number of seats on the 773, not internally or to the public. What we saw today was just pictures from the mock up and just for people to see what the seats will look like on each cabin of service. The coach cabin hasn't been announced yet or the amount of seats each cabin will have, therefore no one but the ones that need to know are aware of the new layout. It could be 3+4+3 or 2+5+2 or 3+3+3 we don't know just yet.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:56 am

What i've heard from those who claim to know is. .. 8F 52J 30W 220Y.

You can take that with a grain of salt, but I put a lot of credibility in it since its exactly what I would have expected and adds up logically.

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:51 am

The J class seat looks like the same on on CX doesn't it?

If only they upgraded the 772ER...
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:53 am

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 26):
Looks like it's not the non-US carrier version of Premium Economy. Instead it's Economy AAdjusted -- offering same seat, more legroom, same Economy food.

I wouldn't be so sure. I think with the tie up with BA they need to offer comparable cabins across the pond. I've read in these forums many times that the W cabin is the most profitable for BA; given that they are sharing trans-Atlantic revenues it could be that BA are insisting that AA offer a 'proper' W cabin.

Certainly from a BA passenger's perspective it makes sense for them to bring their offerings up to BA standard. The new J and F classes certainly don't look like the step down from BA that the current offerings are.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:54 am

The whole set up looks much much better overall than the current offerinfs but please AA, dont go 10 across in Y, its a bloody horrible experience on long haul.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:02 am

3-4-3 is the most probable configuration, given that many airlines in the world use already (many examples above) and maximizing the capacity of the plane...
Even if the configuration is with more seat, this seats are new generation seat and more comfortable than the old ones, also IFE will help to keep people happy...


Where are they planing to operate this planes??
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:08 am

Sign of the times. The rich get richer, the poor poorer. Design Chic for the well-heeled, sardine can for the ordinary man. 10 seat per row in Eco in a 777 are a no-go for sure. That more and more airlines use it makes it even worse. No, thank you AA.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:15 am

Wow for the first time in many (many) years I think I will be wanting to fly with AA! While I normally fly First or Business class those Economy class seats look quite nice, but not sure if I a quite willing to trade in my First/Business seat in yet  
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Reply 32, posted Fri Jan 27 2012 01:18:45 your local time (5 hours 29 minutes 38 secs ago) and read 4423 times:

The way of the future is more and more Titanic-like every round of upgrades. J and F get more and more luxurious and basic Y gets worse. So many airlines already do it...I.e. Emirates, Etihad, Air New Zealand, Austrian, Tam, Air France/KLM, Alitalia, ANA, China Southern, JAL... It's just the way it is.

I'm sure we will eventually see 11-abreast A380s too. They definitely have the room.


Until people are will to pay for extras in Y, why should airlines spend money and see not return on the investment when there is no loyalty except to lowest fare? AA tried this w/ the "More room throughout coAAch" campaign, and we see how long that lasted. I'll further my point w/ this example: Look at a carrier that offers Y+ and Y. The Y+ cabin is a mere fraction of the size of Y. People SAY the want a better Y product but few actually pony up the cash for it, for if they did we would see much larger Y+ cabins than we do.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:49 pm

I wonder... can we 'look forward' to the 772 fleet being revamped into 3-4-3 ?
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 25):
F and J look really awesome - these appear to be easily the best premium cabins of any U.S. airline.

For your information, J seat is the Sicma Cirrus (marketed by Weber in the US), i.e. the same as US Airways and Cathay Pacific.

So technically US Airways has this seat in their fleet (started with the A330) since at least 2 years now.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:27 pm

Quoting GEN2STEW (Reply 42):
The way of the future is more and more Titanic-like every round of upgrades. J and F get more and more luxurious and basic Y gets worse. So many airlines already do it...I.e. Emirates, Etihad, Air New Zealand, Austrian, Tam, Air France/KLM, Alitalia, ANA, China Southern, JAL... It's just the way it is.

Hey now- steerage on the Titanic was an improvement over previous ships (fewer rats, tastier gruel, etc). 3-4-3 in the back is certainly a step backwards.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting na (Reply 40):
Sign of the times. The rich get richer, the poor poorer. Design Chic for the well-heeled, sardine can for the ordinary man. 10 seat per row in Eco in a 777 are a no-go for sure. That more and more airlines use it makes it even worse. No, thank you AA.

Actually, apart from the last few years, income inequality has declined for centuries now. 50 years ago there was no cramped Y class because these people didn't fly yet, and certainly not over the pond.

We've seen service diminish in Y, with less food, less legroom, more like mass transportation: sometimes it even starts to become nasty. But people don't see to care, LCC's are the moneymakers among the airlines, so it is clear that a big part of the traveling public only cares about price (to a certain extent of course). It's simply the way it is. People are asking themselves for this differentiation.

At least airlines start to offer an alternative (Premium economy) for the people that want to fly with a bit more dignity but don't want to fork out the rather expensive business class fares.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 45):
Hey now- steerage on the Titanic was an improvement over previous ships (fewer rats, tastier gruel, etc). 3-4-3 in the back is certainly a step backwards.

It certainly went down right from the start...

[Edited 2012-01-27 05:41:31]
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:11 pm

Does the new 'Sky Interior' include 787 style overhead bins? Or is it just the ceiling in the entry area?

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 32):
Emirates, Etihad, Air New Zealand, Austrian, Tam, Air France/KLM, Alitalia, ANA, China Southern, JAL

ANA and JAL's domestic and regional 777s are 10-across, but their long haul 777s are 9-across. ANA's 77Ws are particularly low density, with only 215 seats, and Y class is configured in a 3-4-2 configuration. So there are still airlines out there that do not cram as many seats as they can physically fit in the plane.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:30 pm

These new seats are all going the way of streamline One World products across the world their whole goal is not to be able to tell what airline your flying just your on a oneworld plane.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:48 pm

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 46):
But people don't see to care, LCC's are the moneymakers among the airlines, so it is clear that a big part of the traveling public only cares about price (to a certain extent of course). It's simply the way it is. People are asking themselves for this differentiation

You are right to degree but lets not forget that the average LCC is just flying you 2 - 3 hours in cramped conditions. When you double that length of time and some, then that hole cramped LCC set up is something you may try once but never again I have done 10 abreast on a 777 and I can tell you know......Never again....i will happily pay more to have legs that operate at the other end!

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 48):
their whole goal is not to be able to tell what airline your flying just your on a oneworld plane

Hmmm, me thinks I might be able to tell a difference from say being onboard a BA flight from that of an AA flight, same seats throughout or not.