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AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:27 pm

Finally Avianca has sign a new order to Airbus to buy 51 new A320, incluiding 33 Neos. Agreement was for around Us$4.780 million. Good news!
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:56 pm

That's good for Avianca well done
 
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:58 am

TA-AV is hardly competing with Copa Airlines and LAN system.
This renewal of the fleet will help the company to strengthen their current frequencies and to consider the opening of new stations in the mid-term.
TACA is not opting for additional E90s anymore.

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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:01 am

Some will go to Aerogal, I guess.

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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:06 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TACA is not opting for additional E90s anymore.

Is this because the capacity is not enough for their needs?
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:19 am

You got me confused here, they Firmed their order. Made it sound like they ordered another 51 A320's.
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:57 pm

Unitl recently Avianca was an airline of 30 airplanes( about 17 MD-83, about 6 767 and about 7 757) so where are all these planes going to be used. Its too early to replace the A320 and A330 they have received in the last 3 or 4 years. Even eith Aerogal and Taca is Avianca/ Taca a 100 airplane airline ?
 
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Even eith Aerogal and Taca is Avianca/ Taca a 100 airplane airline ?

Maybe this gives bit of context

In the January-December 2011 period, Avianca, Taca and their subsidiaries registered a 17.8% increase in passenger numbers, from 17,612,187 during 2010, to 20,751,261 in the twelve calendar months of 2011

http://www.aviator.aero/newswire/ind...t-20-7-million-passengers-in-2011/
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Unitl recently Avianca was an airline of 30 airplanes

Until when? Avianca reached a fleet low point during the 2004 (8 years ago!) bankruptcy process of 35 aircraft, 10 Fokker 50, 5 757s, 5 767s and 15 MD-83s, from 2005 there have been nothing but increases....

The airline now flies 10 Fokker 50s, 10 A318s, 8 A319s, 22 or 23 A320s and 8 A330s, TACA flies over 30 airbuses, several regional aircraft and 11 E-190s and Aerogal has a fleet of 11 jets (319s, A320s and one B767), plus several deliveries taking place this year and in 2013 and 14, so I don't understand the really out of context question...is it some kind of subtle bashing attempt?

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
In the January-December 2011 period, Avianca, Taca and their subsidiaries registered a 17.8% increase in passenger numbers, from 17,612,187 during 2010, to 20,751,261 in the twelve calendar months of 2011

Indeed, good growth numbers, and finally passing the 20 million passenger mark. I wasn't sure they were going to reach it this year.

Congrats on the signing to both Airbus and AviancaTaca, this poises them for their next important order: the replacements for the turboprop fleet which was already announced by Fabio Villegas for this year, and is 99% sure going to ATR since they specifically want 50 seaters.
 
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:04 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):
Is this because the capacity is not enough for their needs?


From what I've read before mainly in this board, the Central American airlines are not entirely happy with the E90s due to cargo constraints.
We have to take into account the high amount of allowable weight of baggage that both CM and TA are currently offering to their revenue passengers; even in Y-class.




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Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 6):
You got me confused here, they Firmed their order. Made it sound like they ordered another 51 A320's.


No, it's the same.
The press release states that AV-TA had previously signed a memorandum of understanding during the 2011 Le Bourget Air Show placed in Paris.




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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Its too early to replace the A320 and A330 they have received in the last 3 or 4 years.


AV is a recent new user of the 320 family.
However, TACA is utilizing such equipment since the 90s and they're regularly renewing its fleet.


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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
From what I've read before mainly in this board, the Central American airlines are not entirely happy with the E90s due to cargo constraints.
We have to take into account the high amount of allowable weight of baggage that both CM and TA are currently offering to their revenue passengers; even in Y-class.

I was just thinking about this when I opened the thread a minute ago.Thanks SJOtoLIR. They would be better off buying more second hand A318s, plus they have a lot more range for longer, thin routes.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):

AV is a recent new user of the 320 family.
However, TACA is utilizing such equipment since the 90s and they're regularly renewing its fleet.

It seems like they are very happy with their A32X family.
 
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TA-AV is hardly competing with Copa Airlines and LAN system.

are you sure with this statment?

Specially they are competing with LAN with a multi hub system, they might have a smaller wide body fleet, but its also not so needed for the locations of the hubs for flights to the us for example.

CM has an advantage that they have basically a 1.5 hub system 1 for PTY and 0.5 for BOG, but TA-AV product is much better and totally they are offering nearly more destinations than CM
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
The airline now flies 10 Fokker 50s, 10 A318s, 8 A319s, 22 or 23 A320s and 8 A330s

Were the Fokker 50's not retired and replaced by the 318's? I know the F 100's were. I flew both of em last year and was glad to before they left the fleet.
 
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting bongo (Thread starter):
Finally Avianca has sign a new order to Airbus to buy 51 new A320, incluiding 33 Neos. Agreement was for around Us$4.780 million. Good news!

Why all these mixed orders lately? If you're ordering new-build aircraft, why not all NEO's?
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Quoting bongo (Thread starter):
Finally Avianca has sign a new order to Airbus to buy 51 new A320, incluiding 33 Neos. Agreement was for around Us$4.780 million. Good news!

Why all these mixed orders lately? If you're ordering new-build aircraft, why not all NEO's?

Perhaps they need capacity before the NEO will be available.
 
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 13):
Were the Fokker 50's not retired and replaced by the 318's?

No, only the F-100s were retired / sold.

The F-50s still cover regional routes to airports with short runways.
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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Why all these mixed orders lately? If you're ordering new-build aircraft, why not all NEO's?



Time frame to start replacing the older 320´s at TA before the NEO enters service with a standarized comonality in fleet, engine, passenger configuration and IFE with the rest of AV.

The NEO´s are basically for growth in the future of the longer distance routes.

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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
are you sure with this statment?

Specially they are competing with LAN with a multi hub system, they might have a smaller wide body fleet, but its also not so needed for the locations of the hubs for flights to the us for example.

CM has an advantage that they have basically a 1.5 hub system 1 for PTY and 0.5 for BOG, but TA-AV product is much better and totally they are offering nearly more destinations than CM


Depends on the point of view.
Avianca is stronger in Bogota than their competitors in both the domestic and international market. They're now experiencing the recent introduction of LAN Colombia.
On the other hand, TACA itself has now its South American hub placed in Lima, where it faces the fierce competition offered by LAN Peru who's leading the domestic and international market.




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Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 13):
Were the Fokker 50's not retired and replaced by the 318's? I know the F 100's were. I flew both of em last year and was glad to before they left the fleet.


I see their second-handed 318s as transitory planes on Avianca and Avianca Brasil.
Mr. Fabio Villegas who's the executive chief of AV-TA stated last year that they are evaluating the suitable 100-seater plane.
They're carefully analyzing the Bombardier CSeries, MRJ Mitsubishi and Sukhoi Superjet. Having said that, their E90s might not be forming part of its fleet by 2015.
Related press release in Spanish:

http://www.portaldeamerica.com/index...s&Itemid=79&tmpl=component&print=1

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RE: AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320

Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TA-AV is hardly competing with Copa Airlines and LAN system.

are you sure with this statment?

Specially they are competing with LAN with a multi hub system

Competition between Avianca-Taca and its affiliates and LAN-TAM will significantly increase this year. AV competes directly with LAN Colombia in the Colombian market. 2K competes directly with LAN Ecuador in the Ecuadorian market. AV Brasil competes with TAM in the Brazilian market. TACA competes directly with LAN in the Peruvian market.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):

Depends on the point of view.
Avianca is stronger in Bogota than their competitors in both the domestic and international market. They're now experiencing the recent introduction of LAN Colombia.
On the other hand, TACA itself has now its South American hub placed in Lima, where it faces the fierce competition offered by LAN Peru who's leading the domestic and international market.



LAN Perú dominates the Peruvian international and domestic markets. LAN Ecuador dominates the Ecuadorian international market and is roughly equal with Aerogal in the Ecuadorian domestic market. TAM Brasil dominates the Brazilian market, etc.