thomasphoto60
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Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:26 pm

With all this talk about HOU re-establishing int'l flights, I am curious as to if and when DAL had int'l ops and when Wright expires would it be allowed to expand into the int'l arena (of course pending on getting an FIS facility up and running first) ? I am assuming that Braniff had some services to Latin America from the lat 40s into the early 70s.

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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:41 pm

I'm fairly confident before DFW opened that DAL had some flights to Mexico. I don't know what airlines, but I imagine BN and MX may have had a few weeklies to MEX and maybe PVR? I don't believe LH or BCAL ever flew to DAL.

Post-Wright, last I knew, DAL is to remain strictly domestic excluding charters and private jets. (Please correct if I'm wrong). To get international approval, WN/DAL would likely have to make the case that DFW's international facilities are entirely full, and that WN has tried and can't get slots at DFW. Currently, or even in the next ten years, DFW is neither full nor slot restricted. If DAL were granted international flights, then it would probably come without slot increases. I think DAL international ops are highly unlikely for now and the next ten or twenty years, but never say never.
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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
I am assuming that Braniff had some services to Latin America from the lat 40s into the early 70s.

I don't believe that Braniff ever had international flights from Dallas Love Field, DAL. Their Mexico flights from Texas to MEX and ACA all stopped in SAT. Their flights from Texas to South America was thru Houston (to Panama City, and Havana in the 50s).
I have numerous Braniff timetables from the 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s. None of them show international service from DAL.

DFW opened on January 13, 1974. Here is a route map of Braniff in December 1, 1972. There are no non-stop flights from DAL, only thru service via SAT to Mexico.
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/bn7212.htm

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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
when Wright expires would it be allowed to expand into the int'l arena

No. Part of the compromise was that DAL would remain a domestic airport only. I don't think international ops would have been likely anyway, but the Wright compromise is still too restrictive for the city and DAL.

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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:43 pm

American and Mexicana had nonstops to Mexico from DAL prior to the move to DFW. American flew to MEX and ACA and Mexicana flew to GDL. Both operated from Gate 14 of the West Concourse, which had a ramp-level customs area connected to the gate by a staircase. I have no idea if it's still intact or not - it's been almost 40 years, so my guess is no.

In addition to those flights, my August 1973 OAG shows a single daily Braniff DAL-MEX flight operated by a 727-200. Braniff used the East Concourse, so those passengers must have been handled in a customs facility there. The first customs hall at DAL was a one-story building located behind the then-ticketing wing. That building existed right up until the move to DFW, so it's possible that Braniff passengers deplaned at the East Concourse and were somehow transported to the one-story building. Any old DAL hands who can confirm?

Mexicana started service to DAL in 1961, discontinued it in the late 1960s and returned in 1972. American and Braniff served Mexico since at least the 1950s, although I'm not sure when nonstops to/from DAL began.
 
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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting texan (Reply 3):
No. Part of the compromise was that DAL would remain a domestic airport only. I don't think international ops would have been likely anyway, but the Wright compromise is still too restrictive for the city and DAL.

I believe FTW is exempt from the 5-party deal. So there might be a possibility. Just sayin'.
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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 2):
I don't believe that Braniff ever had international flights from Dallas Love Field, DAL.
Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 4):
American and Braniff served Mexico since at least the 1950s, although I'm not sure when nonstops to/from DAL began.

For AA it looks like DAL-MEX/ACA nonstops started sometime between mid-1965 and 1967. The June 28, 1965 timetable shows DAL-MEX flights with a stop at SAT. The December 12, 1967 timetable has nonstops both DAL-MEX and DAL-ACA (no AA service to ACA in the 1965 timetable).
 
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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:04 am

One thing is for sure, DAL is capable of handling heavy aircraft. DL use to have their 747's there (when they first had some) all the time.
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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:15 am

Quoting Rockinflyer (Reply 7):
One thing is for sure, DAL is capable of handling heavy aircraft. DL use to have their 747's there (when they first had some) all the time.

That's one thing that DAL has over HOU. . I believe that BN, DL and AA all flew widebodies to DAL.

A side note, my first 747 flight was from DAL to HNL in '72' on Braniff's 'Fat Albert'. We flew in from MSP on a 707 and parked right next to that Orange monster, my jaw dropped upon gazing at that behemoth for the first time. What a trip that was for a 7 year old kid.

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RE: Love Field And Int'l Flights

Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:12 am

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):
We flew in from MSP on a 707 and parked right next to that Orange monster, my jaw dropped upon gazing at that behemoth for the first time.



Thomas: That is awesome, I flew on the Giant Pumpkin a couple of times in my younger days, long before I knew I would be in aviation.