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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:19 am

Also, I hear that Hatay airport is flooded and will be closed for a week.
Reminds me of what happened to Las Vegas few years back.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:15 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Reminds me of what happened to Las Vegas few years back.

And more recently in Bangkok...
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:20 am

Yesterday evening I was supposed to fly Anadolujet between ADB and SAW (20:00 flight). However, I found out that one of my best friends was flying the same route an hour before on Sunexpress (19:05 flight). I booked this ticket and arrived in SAW only about an hour late after a rather shaky take off in ADB due to heavy winds and a surprisingly smooth landing in SAW despite the snow.

Before I went to bed, I checked the status of my original Anadolujet flight and saw that the flight left about an hour late but diverted!! Later I found out that the aircraft returned to ADB after a flying time of well over 2 hours.

My ride from SAW to home in Atasehir was way more scary than the flight though... Complete chaos here...
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:29 am

Thanks for a new thread. Seen some pics yesterday of IST hope things improve weather wise soon .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:46 pm

TK DMM increasing to 5 weekly as start of S12.

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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:56 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
IST hope things improve weather wise soon .

According to the news, tomorrow's weather to be worse, today TK cancelled close to 200 flights. Not only the airport is having problems with reduced movements, inadequate de-icing or problems "Stylo" explained in the previous thread, the roads are in bad shape also; pax, crews having difficulty getting to the airport.

Here it is, from TK's facebook page, about today's cancelled flights.

[Edited 2012-02-01 05:22:10]
http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...nedeniyle-iptal-olan-seferler.aspx


[Edited 2012-02-01 05:22:29]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
According to the news, tomorrow's weather to be worse, today TK cancelled close to 200 flights. Not only the airport is having problems with reduced movements, inadequate de-icing or problems "Stylo" explained in the previous thread, the roads are in bad shape also; pax, crews having difficulty getting to the airport.

Yes one of my Turkish friends who was visiting family in Istanbul and works in Austria only made it out in time. 48 hours later and he would be stranded also . I wonder what the financial implications will be to TK over this. Certainly unhelpful at a time when we need things to run smoothly.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
I wonder what the financial implications will be to TK over this.

I wonder if TK has any of its planes, crews stuck at out stations. Probably not, so that is a relief. Starting Friday temps rise and I bet by Monday things could be back to normal.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:53 pm

It's all sun and wonderful weather here in Bodrum. I hope things improve back at IST by Saturday when I'm due back.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
Before I went to bed, I checked the status of my original Anadolujet flight and saw that the flight left about an hour late but diverted!! Later I found out that the aircraft returned to ADB after a flying time of well over 2 hours.

Close call; In late 2010 it was all chaos for central and western Europe, this year it's our turn I guess.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
Starting Friday temps rise and I bet by Monday things could be back to normal.

Meteorologists are expecting more severe weather from 7-8 of Feb next week...It may be too early for an accurate forecast but beware...

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Also, I hear that Hatay airport is flooded and will be closed for a week.

The plain Hatay Airport is built on is a dried up lake, the Amik lake... That's how 3 mt. of water can accumulate...

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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:32 am

News from my friend who was taking his family to France. Finally got on an Orly flight 32 hours after he arrived at IST for his original flight. As expected no bags after 3 days. He wanted to extend his holiday since he lost a day at IST, TK charged him 50 euros per ticket change fee. Not a happy customer.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 9):
Close call; In late 2010 it was all chaos for central and western Europe, this year it's our turn I guess.

Yeah remember it well I was lucky to be in Beirut for two weeks so missed the worst of it . Was a horrible time. Its -2 in Ireland tonight and hopefully our icy spell will be gone by weekend.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
TK charged him 50 euros per ticket change fee. Not a happy customer.

Hmm not sure what the policy should be on that . I guess they could have waived it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:07 am

Here is an IST picture fresh from "Wing";
reminds me of years of flying out of ANC.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:30 pm

Looking from the arrival and departures information IST seems to get back to normal again while ADB is now closed as Izmir has seen snowfall again after many years.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
Here is an IST picture fresh from "Wing";

Thanks wings/TK787 for the pic; wishing our c/a a safe flight   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 am

yesterday, operations went back to "normal" with only a handful cancellations and delays up to one hour. all incoming aircraft are advised to uplift as much fuel for holdings as possible. as far as I know no diversions experienced.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
He wanted to extend his holiday since he lost a day at IST, TK charged him 50 euros per ticket change fee. Not a happy customer.

ridicoulous! this is not "standard procedure"...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 15):

Thanks Stylo,
Does anyone know why TK stock is up from 2.30 to around 2.64 in a couple of days?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):
Does anyone know why TK stock is up from 2.30 to around 2.64 in a couple of days?

Well, actually the whole index performed well lately, I don't think it's peculiar to TK. BTW, the Norwegian Central Bank, Norges Bank, now holds about 5% of TK. Interesting....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:16 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 17):

Thanks, Norges Bank knows something that we don't.
I hear TK losses for smaller than expected in the 4th quarter, report due in a week.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...-londra---ingiltere-seferleri.aspx
Gatwick goes 2 x daily starting May 28th.
and OVB starting March 14th. 3 x weekly.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:04 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):
I hear TK losses for smaller than expected in the 4th quarter, report due in a week.

Looking forward to see the numbers. To be honest, for me, the real indicator will be 2012. With the improving loads and increased frequencies TK should be able to post some good results this year and start to reap the benefits of its investments. There is no excuse for 2012 unless there is war in the middle east.

BTW, the TK BJV lounge is now also operated by Turkish Do&Co. Wow, I love this company and really wish they were in charge of all the cabin service. Maybe even ground services  They really add value to TK; kind staff, hot towels for a welcome and much improved catering for a domestic lounge. Also the new terminal will be impressive; looking forward to it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:28 am

Looking at IST status today, all aircraft taking off 35R facing North.
TK 9 77W to LAX was the only flight taking off South followed immediately by TK5 343 to ORD taking off North on 35R.
Is there a specific reason for TK9 taking off South?
TK9, right after take off made a left hand turn over the airport to head N/NW.
Another interesting thing; even though initially heading South, TK9 caught up with TK5 and overtook it in less than 5 minutes. I looked at speeds; TK9 77W flying at 429knots, whereas TK5 343 357knots. 77W even with more fuel on board flying that much faster that the 343?

[Edited 2012-02-04 02:33:31]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):

777 have one engine out limitation northbound takeoffs for LAX and GIG flights because of obstructions in sefakoy region. If there no or less cargo carried, they can make northbound, otherwise must go to the sea side.

343 is poor climber especially when it is heavy, my first ride was little scary because whole runway was used and very little positive climb over "fidanlık"
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting MeCe (Reply 21):

Mece,
Thanks for this huge info. It sounded really weird listening to the ATC. TK9 was specifically given extra time to position and take off toward the sea, in between all kinds of traffic.
-BA 763 landing at runway 5 followed by TK332F
-343 to ORD on the other side of the runway taking off due North.

I totally agree with you on the 343 hairdryers versus the GE-90. I have been on many 343 rides before my first trip on a 777. And oh boy, what a great power to feel at take off to about 2000feet and than ease down on the throttle and it flies effortlessly.

Thanks for this.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am

I flew to Zurich on 28th when there was a heavy snow in Istanbul. Check in was disastreus .Only A and B counters were open at 6 am with 3 staff were working in each when there were hundreds of passengers in the lines. I got in to the line at about 5.45 and at 7 finally a guy came around and started shouting if there were any Zurich and Vienna passengers. If it did not happen I would have not made the flight. As usual many passengers started to argue with the staff but answerback was very familiar "go and talk to maneger , this is not my problem" . Flight was smooth and on both ways (return trip was on february 4th) . Even though TK web site shows both legs are operated by 737 both leg was 321 and captains were foreigners.It seems TK is globally ours in the air but not ours on the ground.I wonder why planes reduce the power as soon as they took off ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:50 am

Quoting umit (Reply 23):

Good to hear that you did not have any cancellations and thanks for sharing your experience. I couldn't resist posting this link to the following thread. While I agree that ground services in IST are far from perfect; many ground staff worked long and difficult hours to keep the inconveniences to a minimum.

Cancelled Flights At LHR Sun 5th Feb (by boacboac Feb 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)#68
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 24):

Thanks ... What I dont know / understand , is it or was it normal to have only few agents at that time of the day which was known to be a rough day ? I came to airport from Beykoz where it gets much heavier snow then other parts of the city and all the main roads were open. As a matter of fact I have had no single negative grounds staff experience so far in Istanbul and was always wondered why people complained that much ..( I usualy fly 15-20 times a year by the way). Anyway overall , I am still satisfied from TK if my doughter did not lost my i-pod in the terminal/plane yesterday I would have posted a nice lending to Zurich 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 22):



'R welcome TK787.

Even it is very seldom; sometimes misunderstanding occurs between ATC and TK, than huge delays expected these flights. Once time we have 4 hours delay, crew time exceeded than what a mess !!! Btw, DHMI did great job !!! in this snow storm; they clean only center line of taxiways and parking spots, did not touch other areas. As a result, everybody in airport had huge problems. Hope they will organise better next snow storm expected in Thursday.

I like 343 flight over 777 except take off roll. When GE 90 roars, most of time runway used much less than 343 and feel the acceleration is so exciting. But in cruise 343 is much smoother and quieter I think.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:47 pm

I once heard a joke that tells that the A340 is just taking off because of the earth's curvature...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:30 am

According to this article;

http://www.airporthaber.com/selcuk-icin-karar-ani--37854h.html


TC-JIJ is leaving the fleet soon. Also on July TC-JIK will leave. Currently TC-JDJ is on sale.
The number of TK's A340 is decreasing.. Who knows when these birds will leave the fleet completely...

[Edited 2012-02-06 02:31:30]
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting emrecan (Reply 28):
TC-JIJ is leaving the fleet soon. Also on July TC-JIK will leave. Currently TC-JDJ is on sale.
The number of TK's A340 is decreasing.. Who knows when these birds will leave the fleet completely...

Does it say what will become of these birds?
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 29):

It is mentioned that on March, 3 A330s will join the fleet..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting emrecan (Reply 30):
It is mentioned that on March, 3 A330s will join the fleet..

But the A340s will they be put up for sale or will they be scrapped?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 31):

They are the leased A340s (JIK-JIJ). They may return to Air Jamaica (not sure)

TC-JDJ is on sale but I don't know the last situation.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 28):

Actually I don't know when they last renegotiated the lease terms but originally those two ex Jamaican birds were to stay till 2014. Also -JDJ were to be kept till 2015.
Whatever the case, this means 343s are on the way out.
Let's see if they get rid of all of them in the next few years or keep the newer ones for sometime to come.
Also 333 is not the best replacement for them. 787/350 would be great.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:18 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 32):

They are the leased A340s (JIK-JIJ). They may return to Air Jamaica (not sure)

TC-JDJ is on sale but I don't know the last situation.

Cool, thanks a lot for the information.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:20 pm

According to latest investor presentations (Dec 11), the fleet in 2015 will look like this:

17 A330
7 A340
12 B777

So 3 new 330s and 2 340s are out, that is all they foresee.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 31):

But the A340s will they be put up for sale or will they be scrapped?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 32):
They may return to Air Jamaica (not sure)

These are leased from ILFC, so I think they will be stored until they find a new operator when they are returned.
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:51 pm

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:05 am

I understand there still might be hope for a United service to IST this year. Presumably they just received some slots.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 28):
TC-JIJ is leaving the fleet soon.

Can anyone confirm that this last flew on 29 November 2011, please?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:14 am

Guys, the pax numbers for Jan have been released. If they are correct, IST traffic grew by an impressive 26 % in Jan, despite snow chaos. Let's see if this growth will continue. If yes, then 2012 traffic would be 46million pax !!
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:17 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 40):
Guys, the pax numbers for Jan have been released. If they are correct, IST traffic grew by an impressive 26 % in Jan, despite snow chaos. Let's see if this growth will continue. If yes, then 2012 traffic would be 46million pax !!

Thats certainly impressive results. Do they break it down by route etc... ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 41):
Thats certainly impressive results. Do they break it down by route etc... ?

Unfortunately not. Only itn'l vs domestic. Here's the link: http://dhmi.gov.tr/getBinaryFile.asp...?Type=13&dosyaID=3&IstatistikID=55
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 42):
Unfortunately not.

Arr ok it would have been nice to see where they are getting the traffic from and which routes are getting the most increase for transit Via IST . I would have loved to see the ATH - IST - Far East/Middle East figures but I guess this is sensitive information.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:28 am

Whoa... 3rd daily to JFK in summer from TK. Totally unexpected, no?

TK003 IST0725 – 1120JFK 333 D
TK001 IST1100 – 1445JFK 77W D
TK011 IST1715 – 2100JFK 77W D

TK004 JFK1250 – 0540+1IST 333 D
TK002 JFK1645 – 0925+1IST 77W D
TK012 JFK2300 – 1540+1IST 77W D

from the aviaton blog (you know which  )
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:14 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 44):

Great news. It will be perfect to see 2 TK birds at the same time in JFK. Hope to see some more like BA birds...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:30 am

But is there any connectivity for the IST-JFK sector? are there very early morning arrivals that can feed TK3?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 46):
But is there any connectivity for the IST-JFK sector? are there very early morning arrivals that can feed TK3?

Don't most of the middle east destinations come really early morning, leaving ist around midnight or right before?
This will also give anyone to have a connection in JFK great opportunity to connect pretty much anywhere in US; not to mention beating the traffic in istanbul.
This early departure may also get some North America customers that leave on KL/LH/BA early in the morning..
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 46):

But is there any connectivity for the IST-JFK sector? are there very early morning arrivals that can feed TK3?

Also PEK (04:25), PVG (05:20), HKG (05:25) and CAN (05:50) 777 arrivals are in the same wave among other routes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2012

Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:29 pm

It was unexpected, I wonder if this will be year around.
This is incredible news for this NY'er. I wonder if UA will still go ahead with their plans.
I totally agree with Bahadir TK3-4 will beat the traffic both in IST and JFK, on the roads and in the air.

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