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Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:18 pm

Another airline is expected to start service to PHF and will be announced on February 13. AirTran will stop flying there on March 9. The article mentions that jetBlue is the expected airline because it could best fill AirTran's void.

http://articles.dailypress.com/2012-...ws-airport-ken-spirito-new-airline
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:21 pm

They have F9..and G4. VX isn't a realistic option... They need NYC and BOS, making B6 the only "fit" I can think of. Anything else will surprise me.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:24 pm

That would be great! I would imagine JetBlue could do well there, as the Hampton Roads area is a huge metro and with all the military people, should have lots of comings & goings. We flew into PHF last year and really liked it. I really hope PHF grows, as I think it should!
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:25 pm

So from the article, based on FL's departure:

"As part of its merger with Southwest Airlines, AirTran will cease its Newport News operation March 9. That decision, announced last summer, has had airport officials scrambling to fill the gap that will be left by the departure of the Peninsula's most popular air travel service that currently provides flights to New York, Boston, Atlanta and Orlando."


...the only thing that B6 wouldn't touch right now would be ATL, but could provide service to JFK, BOS and MCO (although G4 does service to the Orlando Area). Makes me think that B6 is going to be making an announcement soon...should be a nice addition if it's true!!

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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:49 pm

BOS will no longer have any flights to the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, ORF or PHF, so I think it's quite likely that B6 will step in. I'm hoping for that. I wonder if B6 will announce any other routes at the same time, especially since their anniversary is coming February 11 and they just got slots at LGA and DCA.

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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:53 am

I agree B6 makes perfect sense excluding MCO but I think RIC has to be considered in the scheme of things. It was the proximity of Newport News to Richmond and Norfolk that seemed to be the reason for AirTran to drop PHF. Does it seem likely that B6 would serve both RIC and PHF? Could they consolidate in Newport News? Will be interesting to see what happens.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:05 am

B6 would be a nice fit, and PHF is on the east coast where B6 is popular. The only other one I can think of would be NK with maybe flights to FLL.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):
BOS will no longer have any flights to the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, ORF or PHF,

Is DL ending BOS-ORF service?
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):

BOS will no longer have any flights to the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, ORF or PHF, so I think it's quite likely that B6 will step in.

DL has BOS service from ORF 2x daily on RJs.

But I do agree B6 will most likely be the newest airline at PHF.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:38 am

B6 is an interesting thought. I personally thought Spirit considering all the press they have been doing lately.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:47 am

Quoting b757capt:

Agreed, I believe that if it is between NK and B6, it would be NK simply because it seems that if B6 were to serve Hampton Roads, they would use the more central ORF. NK has been regularly adding second tier airports like PHF as of late.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:48 am

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 10):
Agreed, I believe that if it is between NK and B6, i

I'd bet it is NK. They are announcing a bunch of stuff this week.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:53 am

I'm going to go with NK to 1x DFW, 1x FLL, and 2 weekly MYR?
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
I'd bet it is NK. They are announcing a bunch of stuff this week.

Forgot about that option.. I'm hoping it's B6 though. There are a few other places I'd like to see NK put their metal.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:59 am

Quoting TakeORF (Reply 8):

DL has BOS service from ORF 2x daily on RJs.

Oops, I forgot about that one!

Quoting mijoatlanta (Reply 5):
Does it seem likely that B6 would serve both RIC and PHF?

I don't see why not, IIRC AA served both BOS-RIC and BOS-ORF, and since B6 no longer flies JFK-RIC it won't eat out of those flights.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 9):
B6 is an interesting thought. I personally thought Spirit considering all the press they have been doing lately.

I would guess B6 and am hoping for it, but I wouldn't rule out NK either.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:19 am

This is the surprise announcement from AS with nonstops between SEA and PHF. Yeah right...just joking.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:32 am

AirTran made PHF and RIC work for years, so I've never bought the "...but it's too close to XXX" argument. And even though the two airports are only 60 miles apart, I-64 is a barrier for a lot of people considering which airport to fly from. There's also Southside Hampton Roads residents who do use PHF but wouldn't even consider RIC because it's well over a two hour drive from Virginia Beach, especially with Southwest at ORF. JetBlue could grab a lot of those pax at PHF.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:27 pm

B6 will probably start up a PHF-JFK route. Don't forget that B6 does not serve JFK from RIC, only BOS now because of the competition on the route, so this would be a logical fit because there is no competition on the PHF-JFK route like there is from RIC.

I think it'd be too big of a gamble for NK to start service into PHF.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:51 pm

Emirates?   

Seriously though, PHF has been lobbying airlines to come there ever since they learned they wouldn't survive the WN/FL merger. They have a passenger friendly terminal with about 10-12 gates with jetways.

My first thought when I saw the thread title was Spirit. They would fill a void between PHF-Florida and PHF-Northeast and maybe a route or two westbound from PHF.

Jetblue could also be a possibility for Northeast and Florida routes. I would have always thought Jetblue would pick ORF over PHF because ORF is further away from RIC than PHF and there is a bigger population near ORF. However, PHF might have offered Jetblue some very good incentives to go there.

The problem with PHF is that it sits on the other side of the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel from ORF. Anybody who lives in this region, including myself, know that the tunnel is a major bottleneck with backups of 4+ miles on a daily basis and God only knows what the traffic will be like on the other side. I am willing to pay a somewhat higher fare to fly out of ORF than put up with the drive to PHF.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 1):
They have F9..and G4. VX isn't a realistic option... They need NYC and BOS, making B6 the only "fit" I can think of. Anything else will surprise me.

According to this article, it isn't JetBlue:

http://www.dailypress.com/news/traff...-airlines-20120202,0,6661661.story

"Jet Blue not coming to Newport News airport; new carrier still a mystery

Despite speculation earlier this week, Jet Blue will not be establishing a Newport News-Williamsburg International Airport operation — at least for now."


PHF is also expecting some expansion by an existing carrier:

" airport officials confirmed Thursday that another announcement will be made soon regarding an existing carrier that will expand its Peninsula-based service."

My guess would be Allegiant for that. I can't think where else Frontier would fly from PHF, but I'm ready to be wrong.

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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:12 pm

http://www.dailypress.com/news/traff...-airlines-20120202,0,6661661.story

Looks like it's not jetBlue according to the Daily Press.

Personally, I prefer flying PHF over ORF. The fares tend to be cheaper out of PHF as well. I could see Spirit coming to town. That would be cool.

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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:48 pm

Love the expert reporting; I wonder if AA now knows they are headquartered in Miami.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:13 pm

If it's not Spirit, I'd be surprised. NK makes perfect sense.

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 21):

Love the expert reporting; I wonder if AA now knows they are headquartered in Miami.


While officially HQd in Dallas, and the reporter should have clearly noted that, AA does run a sort of dual-HQ structure with a second, smaller HQ ops in Miami. It's a vestige of the Eastern merger that has somehow survived, and actually I'm told creates some tension because the two ops often disagree on many things.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting staralliance38 (Reply 20):
Looks like it's not jetBlue according to the Daily Press.

Interestingly, that article does not cite any sources. I wonder who told them that.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:18 pm

NK service to DFW and ORD perhaps?
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 23):
Interestingly, that article does not cite any sources. I wonder who told them that.

Most likely the airport, since they posted a link to the article on their Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/FLYPHF
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
If it's not Spirit, I'd be surprised. NK makes perfect sense.

I agree, NK has been in expansion mode lately. MCO and perhaps ORD or BOS?
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
If it's not Spirit, I'd be surprised. NK makes perfect sense.

The executive director of PHF says the new airline will "set a new standard" at PHF. He didn't say if it was a high standard, so I'd be inclined to think it's NK.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 23):
Interestingly, that article does not cite any sources.

The quote comes from the executive director of the airport: "We feel JetBlue would do well in our market, but its not JetBlue." That's not a good enough source?
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
It's a vestige of the Eastern merger

I know that Texas Air bought Eastern, and I thought it folded while owned by Texas Air (parent of CO). What did AA have to do with Eastern? (Did it buy its Latin American routes or something?)
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:18 pm

AA purchased their Latin America routes from Eastern during Eastern's bankruptcy and a year before they ceased operations. AA also purchased their MIA-London route from CO, who had taken over the route from Eastern around 1986/1987. At the very end Eastern was no longer part of the Texas air corp, the Bankruptcy court and the creditors set Eastern on the path to independence and placed Martin Shugrue in charge as EA's new CEO. However the Gulf war had a dramatic effect on air travel, and that slow down resulted in Eastern shutting down in January 1991.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 27):
The quote comes from the executive director of the airport: "We feel JetBlue would do well in our market, but its not JetBlue." That's not a good enough source?

You're right, someone from the airport was quoted. I don't know how I missed that. I'd been up since 4am, that might have something to do with it.  
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:47 pm

Does Alligient have service to PHF? If you look on their website you can book flights from Newport News to Orlando starting after the announcement date.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:49 pm

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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:58 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 32):

http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-...to-allegiant-air-low-cost-carriers

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That article is from august...back when they announced.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:01 pm

Yes, the G4 announcement was made about a week after the FL pullout was announced. It can't be G4. That is old news.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:23 am

According to the Daily Press, it's going to be a startup airline based at PHF:

http://www.dailypress.com/news/traff...line-0210-20120209,0,5289948.story

Quote:
NEWPORT NEWS — The new airline coming to Newport News-Williamsburg International Airport is a startup that will be headquartered on the Peninsula.

Jennifer Chambers, a spokeswoman with Seventh Point, a Virginia Beach-based advertising, marketing and public relations firm handling the announcement, said Thursday afternoon that the incoming airline is not a previously existing carrier.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:25 am

well that is certainly more interesting....although with the last start up I can think of Skybus, and also Vision trying to be schedule...I dont really know. I think they would have been btter off pursuing JetBlue or Spirit.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting vatveng (Reply 35):
According to the Daily Press, it's going to be a startup airline based at PHF:

An airline headquartered in Newport News, VA? If this comes to pass, NOW I've officially seen everything.

I suspect the proposed California Pacific Airline has a much, much greater chance of success than whatever fly by night operation this turns out to be.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting vatveng (Reply 35):
According to the Daily Press, it's going to be a startup airline based at PHF:

http://www.dailypress.com/news/traff...line-0210-20120209,0,5289948.story

Heavens to Betsy....... sincerely, I would only wish the best for all involved, but if this new carrier, is anything like this new carrier California Pacific Airlines, which is trying to base itself out of CLD, the first scheduled flight out of PHF will be sometime in 2015. And that's assuming that CPA, which began its formation in 2009, is going to be flying this year, and we can conclude that it takes three years to start a new airlines here in the U.S.

So...... with at least three plus years here, I think that PHF would need a few flights now. And if this new proposed airline actually were to show some steam in getting started, who knows what competition from the other airlines will happen there at PHF, because I don't think that any airlines really wants another new airline to get started.

Maybe that's the secret PHF plan to get some new routes now?
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:47 am

Wouldn't a new start up and especially an LCC be identifiable using the FAA Federal Air Regs (FAR) parts 120 and 121. I'm FAR challenged so bare with me If I didn't reference the correct subsets.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:06 pm

Back in the 1970s, I flew on a National Airlines B727 from Newport News (visiting a friend at William & Mary) to Norfolk. How far is that distance? The flight was about six minutes! The flight was originally a nonstop from Newport News to LGA (or perhaps JFK), but National cut the route, so I had to connect in Norfolk to a Piedmont 737 for the trip to LGA. Even back then during the days of cheap fuel, I thought National wasn't making much money on that flight.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 36):
I think they would have been btter off pursuing JetBlue or Spirit.

They could have pursued them until they were blue in the face, doesnt mean they would come. B6 especially no, NK maybe, but they probably wouldnt be crazy about being "book ended" by WN a short distance on each side.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:30 pm

The "bookend" comment soo speaks for the central location of PHF. Sure, people in Va Beach wouldn't go to RIC and people in RIC wouldn't go to Norfolk. The reality is though that people from RIC and ORF would and are going to PHF. Southwest made a bad call on this one even with their original choice of ORF...and that was when they WERE using secondary airports. The tunnel argument is nice but not reflective of the community's tolerance and actions. (How else could AirTran have been so successful)
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:23 pm

TripAdvisor.com recently awarded Williamsburg the number one spot as a favorite family vacation spot http://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Family. Opting away from the Orlando attractions.

Ironically Virgina Beach takes the second spot.
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 43):

Which begs to explain the choice of "Newport News" as a base for a startup. Sure, any startup in this environment is risky but Newport News is part of a metro spanning both the cities you mentioned....not just a small city in SE Virginia.
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting mijoatlanta (Reply 44):
Which begs to explain the choice of "Newport News" as a base for a startup. Sure, any startup in this environment is risky but Newport News is part of a metro spanning both the cities you mentioned....not just a small city in SE Virginia.

And to be honest, the Peninsula and the western cities have the most potential for growth in the Hampton Roads region. Hometown airline? Oh boy...Still, can't wait. I'd love to know who's starting up the airline. Livery? Aircraft? Routes? The excitement!
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:03 am

I was thinking about making the same post, but I procrastinated, and you beat me to it.



I am uses to seeing DC-9 types ( MD-88s, 717-200s) fling into PHF, which is great, but it would be interesting to see an A32x type lights at night, on my way home, as the a/c is coming into PHF. After the WN merger, we stop seeing 737 types, since WN stop flying Air Trans 737 into PHF.
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting mijoatlanta (Reply 42):
The reality is though that people from RIC and ORF would and are going to PHF. Southwest made a bad call on this one even with their original choice of ORF...and that was when they WERE using secondary airports.

But PHF is in the middle where the fewest people live. The combined RIC, PHF and ORF service area is about 3 million in total population. However, does an area of nearly 3 million people really need 3 airports? ATL is twice the size and only has one airport. Chicago is 3x the size and only has two airports.

FL did ok at PHF, but that was because they had very low costs and catered to the small segment of the population that found PHF more convenient. However, you'll notice that most airlines avoid PHF. Even DL only started PHF to compete with FL.
 
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RE: Newport News (PHF) Airport To Announce New Airline

Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 48):

I agree with a lot of your points. And yes, after dereg, the airlines for the most part fled PHF. Even I was amazed over the years how many people from the Southside came to Newport News (btw, especially if you count Williamsburg, the pop near PHF isn't so low but yes, even 3 million might not cut it for a startup with 3 airports in such close proximity)

As for the area not needing 3 airports, of course it doesn't. The James used to be an even bigger barrier in the area and the peninsula and Southside were more isolated. I still think PHF justifies service but maybe not on the scale the planners are hoping for.