co772
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Pmco IAH-AMS

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:13 pm

Sorry if this has been discussed; I couldn't find in the forum. I was looking to book IAH-AMS on UA/CO but could not find the non-stop flight on CO.com. It seems to end in early April; afterwards all IAH-AMS flights connect through UA/CO hubs. Hopefully this hasn't been nixed...
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting CO772 (Thread starter):
I was looking to book IAH-AMS on UA/CO but could not find the non-stop flight on CO.com. It seems to end in early April; afterwards all IAH-AMS flights connect through UA/CO hubs. Hopefully this hasn't been nixed...

Maybe you just picked dates when the nonstop was full? I tried 2 or 3 random dates in May/June/July and the IAH-AMS nonstops appear.
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting CO772 (Thread starter):
I was looking to book IAH-AMS on UA/CO but could not find the non-stop flight on CO.com. It seems to end in early April; afterwards all IAH-AMS flights connect through UA/CO hubs. Hopefully this hasn't been nixed...

They are currently scheduled to operate the route 6 weekly until April 13th and from October 5th (otherwise daily). Moreover it seems as if they will send the 787 to AMS as of October 5th...
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:22 am

Thanks for the info. 787 on IAH-AMS would be awesome.  
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:03 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 2):
Moreover it seems as if they will send the 787 to AMS as of October 5th...

Very good news for AMS! I think it is a bit strange that CO will send the 787 to AMS as I think that the 787 will be a premium aircraft (cabin configuration) whereas AMS is not a premium destination (low yield destination). Isn't the 764 more logical?
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am

Most likely IAHAMS is a good proving/training international route for the 788?
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 4):
Very good news for AMS! I think it is a bit strange that CO will send the 787 to AMS as I think that the 787 will be a premium aircraft (cabin configuration) whereas AMS is not a premium destination (low yield destination).

How is AMS not a premium destinations from IAH with all that oil traffic (Shell etc)? Remember KL use to run a BBJ on it. The 788 is in fact a good choice here....may provide a product differentiation from KL and may prove useful to lure some of those business pax over to UA
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:25 pm

I booked the IAH-AMS flight on CO/UA the last week in June. As far as I know it's still good.
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 4):
Very good news for AMS! I think it is a bit strange that CO will send the 787 to AMS as I think that the 787 will be a premium aircraft (cabin configuration) whereas AMS is not a premium destination (low yield destination). Isn't the 764 more logical?

With the current 787 layout of UA/CO you can hardly call the bird "premium"... No first, only business and 9 abreast in Y+ and Y....

Unless they change the layout for later birds of course...
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:36 pm

IAH-AMS is a heavy oil route... I've seen BF both packed and realatiely empty on previous flights. I never saw it packed on the 777 which was probably part of the reason for the downgrade.

How many 787's will UA have in OCT? It would seem hard to do AKL and AMS with less than three. 787 to AMS would be great but I'll settle for the 764 w/ the lie flat seats.  
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 8):

With the current 787 layout of UA/CO you can hardly call the bird "premium"... No first, only business and 9 abreast in Y+ and Y....

AMS is no F-class market (only SQ and CX will offer F-class out of AMS this Summer) thus you don't need F-class to AMS...

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):

How is AMS not a premium destinations from IAH with all that oil traffic (Shell etc)?

Most oil traffic doesn't have to be in AMS (and if I'm not mistaken Shell has a contract with Skyteam..). The transfer pax won't use UA as it doesn't have a hub at AMS, thus that traffic is mostly going to KL. With the BBJ gone, the number of C-class seats to/from AMS has decreased very much.
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:19 pm

I understand that UA/CO was able to regain the Shell contract from KL. That is why the Privatair BBJ has gone away, and why KL has cancelled their planned second daily to IAH with an A333 this summer. I had not heard that the AMS route was going to go to 787 this Fall, but with securing the Shell contract I can see that as a factor in the decision to put it on this route.
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting IAHworldflyer (Reply 11):
I understand that UA/CO was able to regain the Shell contract from KL. That is why the Privatair BBJ has gone away, and why KL has cancelled their planned second daily to IAH with an A333 this summer. I had not heard that the AMS route was going to go to 787 this Fall, but with securing the Shell contract I can see that as a factor in the decision to put it on this route.

Was this contract ever before in non-KLM hands? This must be a serious blow to KLM since this is one of their few premium routes?

Quoting LJ (Reply 10):
AMS is no F-class market (only SQ and CX will offer F-class out of AMS this Summer) thus you don't need F-class to AMS...

There are others: EK, MH, CI, KE but some may vanish after equipment change.
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 12):
Was this contract ever before in non-KLM hands? This must be a serious blow to KLM since this is one of their few premium routes?

If I remember correctly, KL and CO shared the contract from maybe 2001 until 2006 or so. The point at which KL got it exclusively was when they started using the BBJ in all J configuration for a second daily.
 
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RE: Pmco IAH-AMS

Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:14 pm

Perhaps the promise of a 788 on the route was the deciding factor in soliciting the business
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