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Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:48 pm

Bombardier says wins order for up to 24 CRJ1000 jets
(Reuters) - Bombardier Inc said on Friday that an unidentified airline has signed a firm order for six CRJ1000 NextGen regional jets and taken options for another 18 planes. Based on the list price, the firm order is valued at about $297 million and could increase to about $1.32 billion if all options are exercised, the company said.



I just saw this article on the news wire. Looks like a good day for Bombardier and it's CRJ line up. Does anyone have any idea as to which airline is the purchaser of these aircraft. Is the CRJ 1000 actually in production at this time or still in the development phase. If in production how many have been delievered so far?
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:53 pm

Quoting yyz757fan (Thread starter):
Is the CRJ 1000 actually in production at this time or still in the development phase.

Already in service for quite a while (late 2010)! Brit Air (AF) and Air Nostrum (IB) do operate them already within Europe.


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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:22 pm

I wonder what airline this is that ordered them? Does AA expect to get scope relaxed this much through the BK rulings?   
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:27 pm

Finally some good news with respect to the CRJ family.

This is the second order for the CRJ family this week, as China Express Airlines confirmed that they were the airline that ordered 6 CRJ900's in October 2011. Also seems to suggest that Bombardier is finally opening up markets outside of Europe and North America.

Considering that Garuda's stated regional jet needs would be for 18 aircraft, I could see all of the options taken for the CRJ1000.

Now if only the Q400 could attract some more orders.....Maybe in Singapore?
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 4):

This is good news. I think there's a lot of life left in the CRJ's. They have pretty unbeatable economics for those sized planes...not as comfy as the Ejets, (though not bad either), but cheaper to run, and I think to purchase as well.

As for the Q, it'll be a big boot to the huevos if the WS order goes to ATR. I'm hoping SpiceJet picks up their options.
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:18 pm

Does anyone know if these are for Garuda mainline? Their low cost division, Citijet is about to become a separate entity with a livery and scheme change. Will Garuda be setting up a new low cost/regional division which will take these CRJs?
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:42 pm

Good to see some more orders for the CRJ. Think it's the best looking regional jet out there.

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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 4):
Now if only the Q400 could attract some more orders...

I'm betting we'll see a 40 frame order for them from WS.  
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 4):

Maybe westjet will get some Q400
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:26 pm

Is there any chance of a United States airline t get some, like US,DL,UA,AA......etc
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 10):
Is there any chance of a United States airline t get some, like US,DL,UA,AA......etc

Not until someone gets some radical changes in scope clauses done. They are too small to be economically operated by mainline crews and too big to be operated by regional partners. If the outcome of AA's bankruptcy is a radical reshape of their scope clause or even some sort of third class of crews to operate aircraft from 70-120 seats as some have suggested, you may see the dam open up. Of course such a development could just as easily benefit the C Series and Embraer as it would the RJ-1000.

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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:14 pm

Questions: How does the CRJ1000 operating cost compare to the DC9-30? Delta operated the DC9 in a 16F84Y(100 seats) layout. The CRJ1000 could hold 12F80Y(92 seats) with economy comfort. Could Delta operate this as a mainline and still realize an acceptable profit margin?
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 3):
Garuda

Good to see.  
Quoting kmot (Reply 12):

Questions: How does the CRJ1000 operating cost compare to the DC9-30?

The issue is mainline costs make it tough to compete with CRJ900s. A better solution for DL would be the C-series.

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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:13 pm

Very low order vs option numbers. I assume that the airline is looking to take all 24 aircraft but has only secured financing for the first six, thus they order these to get going and find money for the rest later...?

24 more CRJ1000 to grace the skies. Nice  
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:11 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 6):

As far as i know,
The CRJ will be using their main brand, Garuda Indonesia, to compliment their service offer to serve some secondary cities which do not require bigger plane such as 737 800NG from their hubs (jakarta, bali, medan, makasar) and also to be used for direct service between some secondaries cities without transiting in jakarta.

Citilink, it's low cost airline, will be using entirely A320 and A320 neo.

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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting julio777 (Reply 15):
Citilink, it's low cost airline, will be using entirely A320 and A320 neo.

Thanks for the reply. I read an article recently that said that Citilink has been sold and will be rebranded. This means that Garuda will no longer have a low cost division, hence why I wondered if they would create a new one using these CRJs.
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 3):
Garuda

Confirmation : http://bombardier.com/en/corporate/m...ses/details?docID=0901260d801e6e27

Bombardier Aerospace and Indonesian flag carrier, PT. Garuda Indonesia (Persero) Tbk. confirmed that the airline is the unidentified customer that ordered the six CRJ1000 NextGen regional jets and placed 18 options, announced by Bombardier on February 10, 2012.

And:
“We are also thrilled that Garuda Indonesia has announced that it intends to acquire additional new CRJ1000 NextGen aircraft,” added Mr. Arcamone.

Per FlightGlobal : 12 from Nordic Aviation Capital (another CRJ1000 order soon ?):

...another 12 from leasing company Nordic Aviation.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...firm-order-for-18-crj1000s-368297/
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 17):

The CRJ is getting to be like a zombie...in a good way...it just won't die.
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:09 pm

Wow, suddenly it's 18 firm plus another 18 options, well done  
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:38 am

Congrats BBD! On another note, I wonder if the Q400's would work well in Garuda's network? Would be cool to see them operate the CRJ-1000 and the Q.
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:23 am

Those Nordic planes must also be new orders. I don't think there have been any -1000 orders except Brit and Nostrum.
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 21):
Those Nordic planes must also be new orders

Two articles on FlightGlobal.com suggest that the order for 12 x CRJ1000 for Nordic Aviation is a firm order, but there is no mention of it yet on Bombardier's website. Nordic Aviation has CRJs in their portfolio already, so perhaps they are planning to order even more CRKs (six aircraft for CimberSterling perhaps). Would be cool if they also order 18-24 aircraft - more impressive than just ordering six  
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:11 pm

Given the backlog of the CRJ line, every order counts, and it is important to extend the customer base of the CRK, 2 customers were far too few.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 10):
Is there any chance of a United States airline t get some, like US,DL,UA,AA......etc

No chance due to scope clauses (well, unless there's a big change in AA during bankruptcy). This is probably the major blocking point for the CRK - the CRK makes the most sense for existing CRJ operators, but many of those are in the US, and are effectively blocked from getting the CRK by scope clauses.
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:49 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 23):
Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 10):
Is there any chance of a United States airline t get some, like US,DL,UA,AA......etc

No chance due to scope clauses (well, unless there's a big change in AA during bankruptcy). This is probably the major blocking point for the CRK - the CRK makes the most sense for existing CRJ operators, but many of those are in the US, and are effectively blocked from getting the CRK by scope clauses.

Read this : http://www.ainonline.com/node/102206

AA Proposes Relaxed Scope for Eagle

...allow American Eagle and other regional affiliates to fly either jet or turboprop aircraft with a passenger capacity of 88 seats and an mtow as high as 114,500 pounds.

A CRJ1000 (12/76 seating config) or CRJ900 order from American Eagle will be possible if the pilots association members approve the deal.
 
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RE: Bombardier Order For CRJ 1000

Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting flyorski (Reply 2):
I wonder what airline this is that ordered them? Does AA expect to get scope relaxed this much through the BK rulings?   

I sure do with that were the case!
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