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JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:25 am

Japan's Nikkei is reporting JAL will use the 787-8 to next launch service to Helsinki and San Diego. No launch dates set, as of yet.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:28 am

Whoah. Did not see these coming. Good to see the list of cities with trams-pacific service growing here in the US. Hopefully MIA is next.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:29 am

Wow, didn't see either of those coming!
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:30 am

of course HEL will be a good add in the network specially with FI in oneworld!

San Diego is I thinkt a little surprise.

anyway good moves!

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:31 am

There was talk of carriers using the 787 to fly TransPac into SAN. Glad to see someone finally making concrete plans to do so.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:31 am

I'm very happy and exicted about San Diego getting direct service from Asia.. If BA is making it work from London, JAL should make it work from Tokyo

I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
of course HEL will be a good add in the network specially with FI in oneworld!

But HEL is an extremely seasonal market even with the connecting traffic.

Isn't that the reason AY reduce their KIX and NGO service a lot?

With AY already serving NRT, KIX, NGO, I can't really see NRT-HEL generating too much traffic only with AY. I think they need another partner as AY is probably more keen on carrying pax on their metal from Japan to Europe
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 6):
With AY already serving NRT, KIX, NGO, I can't really see NRT-HEL generating too much traffic only with AY. I think they need another partner as AY is probably more keen on carrying pax on their metal from Japan to Europe

well both are in OneWorld, so natural partner will be AY, also I think AB has some routes ex HEL into Germany another potential code share partner.

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:42 am

With this new flight, only 4 larger metros in US/Canada lack any TransPac service : YUL, PHX, PHL, and MIA. Surprisingly, 3 out of 4 are large hubs.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose

Wow this is fantastic news! As for San Jose, ANA already announced SJC-NRT.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:46 am

Congrat JL, HEL and SAN. Well done. JL is expanding!

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well both are in OneWorld, so natural partner will be AY, also I think AB has some routes ex HEL into Germany another potential code share partner.

saludos
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BER should have come before HEL. Why HEL when AY already flies between HEL and Japan? I think they should set up an ATI with AY purely for this reason, and so in the light of the news last week about an ATI between BA/JL I can't understand why AY is not in it. AY should naturally be in the ATI.

Although having said that, I would love to see HEL-HND on JL. I am sure our HEL a.net members are very happy to see JL metal there. This would be another major addition after QR.

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose

San Jose is not an unserved market - NH has already announced it.

Plus SAN is not served non stop to anywhere in Asia now am I correct? So JL has all the market to itself.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:50 am

Wow, how does MIA not get the service as well? I am shocked Miami does not have non-stop flights to Asia. I would think the South Florida market (MIA, FLL, PBI) could sustain daily, year round service to 2 of the big Asian hubs.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 11):

Wow, how does MIA not get the service as well? I am shocked Miami does not have non-stop flights to Asia. I would think the South Florida market (MIA, FLL, PBI) could sustain daily, year round service to 2 of the big Asian hubs.


The 787 is too low density for Florida-Asia. Reliable rumors indicate AA/JL will use an AA-operated 77W to launch this route next year.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:53 am

Wow! If true, that is very cool - for JAL, and especially for San Diego.

This, coupled with what appears to have been success for the AA/BA JV on their Heathrow route, really strengthens the oneworld brand/offering in San Diego - hopefully AA uses this to their advantage to "lift all boats" and hopefully strengthen their presence a bit in San Diego (especially a nonstop to Miami). JAL is very smart to enter this market with little competition, and fully leverage the power of the Tokyo hub - hope it does well.

In addition to this flight, I also think that, despite Tokyo-Seattle getting crowded, Seattle is just too large a U.S.-Japan/Asia market to ignore for oneworld and the joint partners. I still think that route is going to need an AA/JAL presence at some point, probably with a JAL 787.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:54 am

Speechless...absolutely speechless!! Wow! JAL in San Diego...no way!

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:57 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 14):
SANFan...Can you believe this???

Where is He??? SANFan, come in SANFan!! We got something to tell you!!! 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
In addition to this flight, I also think that, despite Tokyo-Seattle getting crowded, Seattle is just too large a U.S.-Japan/Asia market to ignore for oneworld and the joint partners. I still think that route is going to need an AA/JAL presence at some point, probably with a JAL 787.

If you remember, when ANA announced SJC-NRT, they also announced SEA-NRT also. I'm not sure
if it may be overcapacity if Oneworld had an AA/JAL presence in addition to NH's new flight to Tokyo
from SEA.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:05 am

Awesome news for SAN and OW.

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
I think they should set up an ATI with AY purely for this reason, and so in the light of the news last week about an ATI between BA/JL I can't understand why AY is not in it.

Wouldn't be surprised to see an ATI application submitted once a firm schedule is in place.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose

ANA already beat them for San Jose and SAN is an unserved market

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
With this new flight, only 4 larger metros in US/Canada lack any TransPac service : YUL, PHX, PHL, and MIA. Surprisingly, 3 out of 4 are large hubs.

How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
With this new flight, only 4 larger metros in US/Canada lack any TransPac service : YUL, PHX, PHL, and MIA. Surprisingly, 3 out of 4 are large hubs.

How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Mine's entirely based on metro population, not any O&D or PDEW metric.

SAN 3,095,313
DEN 3,090,874
Source : 2010 census, Wiki

But DEN was experiencing much faster growth rate in the previous decade (+17.5% vs. +10.0%) so maybe it would've over-taken SAN.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if one of UA's early 787 routes include DEN-NRT.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:12 am

News we at SAN have been waiting for for a long time! Can't wait to hear the formal announcement of dates!
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:28 am

Quoting mah4546 (Thread starter):
JAL will use the 787-8 to next launch service to Helsinki

  

From NRT? Any link available yet? I heard this rumor in Helsinki but I think no one took it seriously... Absolutely great if it comes reality but why are they coming to HEL? Their code share partner Finnair already serve NRT, KIX, NGO and traffic is based on transit traffic, the great circle route from Western Europe to Japan goes via HEL. With out connections the new route doesn't make any sense.

AY and JL will share the NRT route? JAL will cut capacity somewhere else in Europe and AY will feed their HEL route?

[Edited 2012-02-13 19:22:05]
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):

But a 77W is way too premium heavy for that market.

I would think a 787 would be perfect for it.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:11 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Philadelphia, Miami and Montreal are all larger markets to Asia than Denver.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Philadelphia, Miami and Montreal are all larger markets to Asia than Denver.

How is is that US never started Pacific ops from PHL?
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):

But a 77W is way too premium heavy for that market.

I would think a 787 would be perfect for it.

But the 788 is way too small a Y cabin when Japanese vacation traffic and traffic to/from Manila is important to fill the plane. Miami to certain Asian markets - but not Japan - is high-yielding, especially Hong Kong. Swire Group and Genting will fill the J cabins. Genting has already offered revenue guarantees to the first airline that starts a Miami-Asia flight.

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 24):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Philadelphia, Miami and Montreal are all larger markets to Asia than Denver.

How is is that US never started Pacific ops from PHL?


Because it doesn't really have aircraft capable of running PHL-Asia. Maybe a 332 can do it, not sure. It applied and was awarded PHLPEK a few years ago, but it never launched.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:27 am

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 24):

How is is that US never started Pacific ops from PHL?

They actually did several years ago, but then scrubbed it when a proper a/c was not available for the mission. That is the problem to this day. The word is, when the A350 comes on line, the route will probably be announced again.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:34 am

Well, that'll teach me to go out and have a nice dinner! Sounds like I need to get out and find some champagne now!!!!!!

I can say that there has been some speculation on another board about this very possibility and here we are. And I've been following the thread here on A.net about how JL was planning on int'l expansion... and wondering!  

Japan was considered by some of us just as likely to tap into the large AAdvantage market here in San Diego as BA was, for exactly the same reasons. It seems to be working for BA, and I have a feeling it will work just fine for JAL as well!

Also, it was suspected that things would happen quietly and behind-the-scene here in our city, as opposed to how things went down elsewhere. And if this is like all other cases of intercontinental growth at SAN, this route is not be subsidized by anyone, and is offered due to a healthy market for Asian travel. (Yes, there is an incentive program in place at Lindbergh, similar to most other cities trying to lure foreign travel providers but that's it.)

I am still in a bit of a daze here so I will not go back and do some reading and research. Needless to say, this is absolutely wonderful news.

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 25):
Miami to certain Asian markets - but not Japan - is high-yielding, especially Hong Kong. Swire Group and Genting will fill the J cabins. Genting has already offered revenue guarantees to the first airline that starts a Miami-Asia flight.

There are quite a few options to do 1-stop HKG-MIA these days. Why can't they just fly the existing options instead of sitting on their rear and offering a guarantee of a flight that's not even nonstop to HKG ?

If anything, HKG-NRT-MIA is longer than either via Chicago or New York.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 28):
There are quite a few options to do 1-stop HKG-MIA these days. Why can't they just fly the existing options instead of sitting on their rear and offering a guarantee of a flight that's not even nonstop to HKG ?

Genting is based in Kuala Lumpur. Swire is the one that is HKG-based, and largely owns Cathay Pacific.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:15 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 15):
Where is He??? SANFan, come in SANFan!

He passed out after reading it!

My first reaction was...."Its not April 1st!"

Great to see though!
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose.

You, and I bet a lot of other people! And, as I said in my previous thread, San Diego has been a lot quieter about this -- totally silent in fact -- than the city of San Jose. (As SDIA was with the BA announcement.) Please, no flaming necessary; I'm not saying one way is good and the other is bad. Just different ways of approaching the situation.

There are a handful of us in San Diego who are not really that surprised to see this -- it was just a matter of time, once the 787 started flying. As has always been the case, SAN is a very under-rated and unknown quantity to most of the world. To those of us in the city who have been paying attention, this announcement was inevitable; the players and the timing were the unknowns...

I haven't seen any recent numbers, but I would really love to see some recent traffic reports from some of the (currently) unserved U.S. cities for Asian markets. I know that a few years ago, numbers published by the SDIA showed SAN as one of the largest U.S. markets without direct service to Asia.

Securing nonstop service to Asia has been THE main goal of the SDIA Route Development folks for well over a year now, ever since BA announced SAN-LHR. And the current team has sure done a marvelous job for our city, and our airport. (Another amazing job Hampton! We thank you for your efforts!!!)

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
Plus SAN is not served non stop to anywhere in Asia now am I correct? So JL has all the market to itself.

Absolutely correct.

I remember several years ago, I heard reports that JAL had been sniffing around here a few times, probably when the 787 was still just a concept in some early-planning dept at Boeing. (ANA was the other most commonly rumored carrier in town once in a while.) When NH announced SJC, there was some disappointment here, but interest by some of us switched over to AA's partner...

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
This, coupled with what appears to have been success for the AA/BA JV on their Heathrow route, really strengthens the oneworld brand/offering in San Diego - hopefully AA uses this to their advantage to "lift all boats" and hopefully strengthen their presence a bit in San Diego (especially a nonstop to Miami). JAL is very smart to enter this market with little competition, and fully leverage the power of the Tokyo hub - hope it does well

You took the words out of my mouth, commavia. Very well put.

I hope you're right about SAN-MIA. I've certainly been seeing a lot lately about the high likelyhood of another w/c city getting an AA nonstop to MIA this year and I can't help but wonder if there might be a couple of cities on that short list - finally.

An interesting situation is unfolding here right now which is somewhat tied in to your comments. It seems that AA is giving up their Admiral's Club at SAN next year; they (and BA) will participate in a "generic" airline club to be taking over the present location of the AC. So I'm getting kind of mixed feelings from AA these days (plus the whole Ch 11 thing) but it remains a fact that there is a very large AAdvantage poplulation here, including, I believe, a lot of high rollers.
(The developing situation here involving AA has left me wondering if there might be a surprise to many in the DCA beyond-perimeter route awards coming soon; I'm really not absolutely convinced that AA will grab LAX-DCA, as expected by most. I wouldn't drop over in a dead faint if AA decided to take SAN-DCA... Just sayin'...)
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 14):
Speechless...absolutely speechless!! Wow! JAL in San Diego...no way!
SANFan...Can you believe this???

Hey D, how 'bout these apples? We got to pay attention around here, don't we?  

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:31 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):

Tampa Bay area metro has almost a million more residents then San Diego metro.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:45 am

At first I thought it said JAL launches HEL TO SAN In my opinion, HEL was going to come sooner or later because of Finnair in OW. NRT-SAN is a perfect route for the 787. Kuddos to all invovled!  
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:13 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 33):
NRT-SAN is a perfect route for the 787. Kuddos to all invovled!

IMO, right up there with BOS-NRT! There are some people in SAN still jumping up and down, and anxiously awaiting word on when this will start. (Our Green Build -- West Terminal 10-gate expansion -- is due to open summer of 2013 but I hope we'll start seeing the Dreamliner with the big red crane at Lindbergh Field before that.)

Yes, I've always felt that San Diego's Lindbergh Field is the poster child for the 787. The gang at SDIA has been studying the performance numbers on the 787 very carefully lately and apparently using those figures when talking with carriers about coming to town. I guess the stat's have been favorable for our unique terrain conditions, just as we here have hoped.

It just occured to me that we may very well see a nonstop to Tokyo from San Diego before Philippine Airlines is able to start flying from here to Manila (via YVR?) Who'd a thunk it...

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:10 am

Dont know how reliable this article is

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...over-next-five-years-report-141188

[Edited 2012-02-13 23:13:33]
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:12 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
In addition to this flight, I also think that, despite Tokyo-Seattle getting crowded, Seattle is just too large a U.S.-Japan/Asia market to ignore for oneworld and the joint partners. I still think that route is going to need an AA/JAL presence at some point, probably with a JAL 787.
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 16):
If you remember, when ANA announced SJC-NRT, they also announced SEA-NRT also. I'm not sure
if it may be overcapacity if Oneworld had an AA/JAL presence in addition to NH's new flight to Tokyo
from SEA.

I think SEA could handle three airlines in the market, but not without losing one of the incumbants...namely UA.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:17 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):

It just occured to me that we may very well see a nonstop to Tokyo from San Diego before Philippine Airlines is able to start flying from here to Manila (via YVR?) Who'd a thunk it...

I'm surprised too, I thought an Asia flight for SAN had suffered a pretty big setback with the not-so-great news about the recent Philippine Cat I audit. Obviously, one of the Japanese carriers flying to SAN with a 787 was speculated about a lot, but I still couldn't believe it when I first opened the forum today- my (our  ) little airport is finally going to have Asia service!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
and anxiously awaiting word on when this will start. (Our Green Build -- West Terminal 10-gate expansion -- is due to open summer of 2013 but I hope we'll start seeing the Dreamliner with the big red crane at Lindbergh Field before that.)

Me too. I want a start date, so I can get that day off and join the crowd for the first arrival!
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:18 am

Quoting san88 (Reply 35):
Dont know how Reliable this source is.

Nice find, s. So it appears that SAN & HEL are perhaps going to start in 2012! That's great news and helps narrow it down!

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:23 am

I think the SAN airport authority needs to figure out how to expand their FIS facility. As more 787's are added and sold to the world, more of these "secondary" markets will see new service like this. I think SEA, PDX, SJC, SAN, LAS, PHX and even OAK may be perfect candidates for 787 international service.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:26 am

Fantastic news!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooo, Im so excited to see this! When SANMAN66 told me this when I was on my lunch break, I jumped for joy all the way to the lunch room! LOL.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:02 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 36):
I think SEA could handle three airlines in the market, but not without losing one of the incumbants...namely UA

Adding JAL/AA would bring it up to three. NH/UA are one airline across the Pacific; NH metal is no different than a second daily UA flight from the perspective of competition analysis.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:08 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
I think the SAN airport authority needs to figure out how to expand their FIS facility.

I have a feeling that the situation is under control. We currently have 3 FIS-capable gates (20, 21 & 22) but those 3 gates can only handle 2 LARGE a/c simultaneously. So if the Crane and Speedbird are in town together, no problem. (And I think we might even be able to handle those 2 PLUS a narrow-body such as AS or Y4 in from Mexico in the current gate configuration.)

But your point is taken, D. I do NOT know how big the FIS area itself is but if I'm not mistaken, it is capable of processing 2 wide-bodies at the same time. And let's face it, I can't imagine that SAN will see enough intl flights where much more than that would be needed. The airport and cx would be able to work together to spread flights out enough so that two arrivals at one time would be the maximum seen.

Back to the gate situation, there are plans being finalized right now to remodel and somewhat expand a portion of T2E; included are landing docks to handle mobile lounges (as in Dulles Airport, I presume) so that planes can be parked remotely with pax delivered to the terminal. Again, I'm presuming here, there will be a way to direct those pax into FIS if necessary.

I would be pretty sure that our terminal design people have plans in mind to make sure we have the facilities to take care of whatever else our very skillful route planners are able to secure for SAN!

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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
As more 787's are added and sold to the world, more of these "secondary" markets will see new service like this. I think SEA, PDX, SJC, SAN, LAS, PHX and even OAK may be perfect candidates for 787 international service.

Who knows. There might be a sudden rush of new routes but it may just end up looking more of the same as today in a few years.

Even the 787 will not make some routes work, so it will be interesting to see how it all transpires.
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:43 am

Seeing JL's 787's in HEL! WoooT!! Hope they select HND as the departure place from Tokyo  
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
BER should have come before HEL. Why HEL when AY already flies between HEL and Japan? I think they should set up an ATI with AY purely for this reason, and so in the light of the news last week about an ATI between BA/JL I can't understand why AY is not in it. AY should naturally be in the ATI.

Did you considered that route to HEL can be operated with the same plane daily? That's why AY has high utilization rate on it's Asia routes   Efficient use of AC in general generates more money. Am I wrong?
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:03 am

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 6):
With AY already serving NRT, KIX, NGO, I can't really see NRT-HEL generating too much traffic only with AY.

If they will fly to Haneda instead it will open many more mid sized Japanese cities with one same airport smooth plane change.
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:52 am

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
I am sure our HEL a.net members are very happy to see JL metal there

Errh ... "metal", it's going to be a 787...
 
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 46):
If they will fly to Haneda instead it will open many more mid sized Japanese cities with one same airport smooth plane change

Sorry, not to upset you or anything, but with the current bilateral agreements, the flight would have to leave HND at a crazy time of the day (between 12AM-6AM)

The arrival time at HEL and the fact that hardly any Japanese domestic flights are flown at midnight are a negative......

If the flight departs HEL at this time, it would probably arrive at HEL early in the morning? Please correct me if I am wrong
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RE: JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego

Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting md80forum (Reply 47):
Errh ... "metal", it's going to be a 787...

A figure of speech my friend  

Anyway I think when JL starts the flights to HEL it would be first time for the 787 to be in HEL!  
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 46):
If they will fly to Haneda instead it will open many more mid sized Japanese cities with one same airport smooth plane change.

I think that they will fly from NRT. But if JL can secure slots in HND for the flights I would imagine that the premium pax would use HND instead NRT. Plus the feed from rest of Japan specially from the northern parts.
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