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AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:31 pm

Not sure if this been discussed already, if so please delete.

Acording to AA facebook page, 'We're thrilled to announce the addition of a 4th flight between Heathrow Airport and Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport starting 14 June!'

Anyone know the schedule for this new service?
Are they reducing another route to acomodate this new service?

[Edited 2012-02-14 09:31:28]
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:55 pm

Wow, impressive ! According to amadeus :

AA 050 1650 DFW LHR 0750+1 777
AA 026 1715 DFW LHR 0830+1 767
AA 078 1945 DFW LHR 1045+1 777
AA 080 2105 DFW LHR 1225+1 767
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:00 pm

They should start calling them selves British American Airlines .. Do they really need to operate so many flts to LHR?
They should just pull out of all the rest of their intl flying and solely fly to LHR. It seems like that is all they are doing .
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):
They should start calling them selves British American Airlines .. Do they really need to operate so many flts to LHR?
They should just pull out of all the rest of their intl flying and solely fly to LHR. It seems like that is all they are doing .

In BK airlines tend to retreat to where they know they can make money. AA knows it can throw another flight on DFW-LHR (seasonally and during the Olympics) and make money.

Once AA gets out of BK is when you will see them taking more chances.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:04 pm

Could this be for the summer Olympics increase capacity? I looked and the fares are pretty steep 1200 + one way in coach.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:04 pm

What is driving this need for an extra flight in the DFW area, is it local economy requirements or have they tapped into something at LHR?
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:08 pm

It was originally announced when they announced the cancellation of JFK-BUD. But I think the timing was coincidental. The new DFW-LHR route was probably already planned, and they likely announced it with the cancellation of JFK-BUD to soften the negative impact. In that same announcement AA said they are looking for other opportunities to use the a/c that would have otherwise been used on JFK-BUD.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):
or have they tapped into something at LHR?

I guess the rest of the BA network out of LHR?
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):
What is driving this need for an extra flight in the DFW area, is it local economy requirements or have they tapped into something at LHR?

??? I guess I'm a bit confused by your comment. Not the first part (will get to that) but the second. As i'm sure you know, AA is a very old dog at LHR, enjoying a very close relationship with BA. I guess what i'm getting at is there's nothing new that AA has tapped. They've already "tapped" that..LOL.

But seriously, as an example, let's say NW added an additional flight to AMS from DTW and someone said what's going on..well, they're only the leading US carrier into AMS   Nothing earth shattering.

As to the DFW POS market, sure the metroplex is a HUGE area but let's not forget that DFW is the second largest single airline hub in the world. Second only to Atlanta. The connection opportunities from around the country through DFW to LHR is limitless so not too hard to see it for me.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7):

Opps. better put thinking cap on sooner.  
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
??? I guess I'm a bit confused by your comment

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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:24 pm

Yes already discussed, and announced part of the Budapest cancellation.

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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 1):

AA 050 1650 DFW LHR 0750+1 777
AA 026 1715 DFW LHR 0830+1 767
AA 078 1945 DFW LHR 1045+1 777
AA 080 2105 DFW LHR 1225+1 767

A good example in which replacing those four flights with two A380 (or 748) flights leaving at 1700 and 2025 would reduce AA's CASM very considerably without affecting much anything else.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 11):
without affecting much anything else.

... except, of course, for the attractiveness of the joint AA/BA product offering, of which frequency and schedule convenience is a major differentiating attribute.

As has been discussed repeatedly, and as was very clearly articulated by Delta's CEO just last week, airlines around the world - not just in the U.S. or Europe - are increasingly offering greater frequency where possible, even if on smaller planes, because it allows them to broaden their attractiveness to customers - particularly high-yielding business travelers - who value such flexibility.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:56 pm

With this news, what are the chances now that BA could go double daily? I was hoping for 772/773, or maybe a 767 added to the 744 frequency. Even with the joint venture adding momentum, 6x DFW-LHR seems a bit much for the time being.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
except, of course, for the attractiveness of the joint AA/BA product offering, of which frequency and schedule convenience is a major differentiating attribute.

There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.

Well there may well be if (a) one combined flight would require a larger aircraft than AA and BA have available to schedule, and (b) if, as is likely, the rolling DFW hub means that some connections that are illegal with a 1650 departure are legal to sell with a departure 25 minutes later.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.

USA to LONDON schedules are always going to be tight as they are overnight mostly.

I would imagine that they are reasonably spread on the return to DFW. JFK is an excellent example.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.

Agreed. Though in this particular case the differentiation comes on the return flights, which leave at 09:30, 10:30, 12:15 and 15:15. BA's 744 leaves at 11:45. That schedule is slightly more spread out.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 17):
That schedule is slightly more spread out.

No curfew or slots at DFW probably, as for the 09:30 and 10:30 departures, is an hour difference acceptable for not colsolidating flights?
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):
They should start calling them selves British American Airlines .. Do they really need to operate so many flts to LHR?
They should just pull out of all the rest of their intl flying and solely fly to LHR. It seems like that is all they are doing .
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
In BK airlines tend to retreat to where they know they can make money. AA knows it can throw another flight on DFW-LHR (seasonally and during the Olympics) and make money.

Not sure if this adds much perspective, but looking at the TATL capacity adjustments Delta is making for S12, it seems like they are similarly putting a lot of stock into the SkyTeam to SkyTeam hub routes and less so in other markets.

They are adding a 3rd daily ATLAMS flight in addition to KL services

DL174 ATL1500 – 0555+1AMS 767 5
DL174 ATL1515 – 0555+1AMS 332 x5
DL238 ATL1740 – 0825+1AMS 333 D
DL033 ATL1950 – 1050+1AMS 767 D 01JUN12 – 03SEP12

DL175 AMS0900 – 1225ATL 332 x6
DL175 AMS0900 – 1240ATL 767 6
DL239 AMS1105 – 1445ATL 333 D
DL032 ATL1310 – 1705ATL 767 D 02JUN12 – 04SEP12

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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:16 pm

All four are daily, correct?
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 18):
as for the 09:30 and 10:30 departures, is an hour difference acceptable for not colsolidating flights?

I would say that, except for possible connectivity issues at LHR, a single flight at 10:00 could cover both flights. Even more so a noon departure could cover the 11:45 BA and 12:15 AA flights.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
As has been discussed repeatedly, and as was very clearly articulated by Delta's CEO just last week, airlines around the world - not just in the U.S. or Europe - are increasingly offering greater frequency where possible, even if on smaller planes, because it allows them to broaden their attractiveness to customers - particularly high-yielding business travelers - who value such flexibility

I've never entirely understood this. There are a certain amount of high yield travellers who want to go from A to B on a given day. So the airlines make it "more attractive" by adding frequency. But on smaller metal. So either the loads are going to be light in the first place (otherwise there isn't flexibility as the flights will be full) or it is just marketing and you don't actually have that flexibility- just the perception of it which (clever by the airline) encouraged you to select them.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:22 pm

Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?

That's a good question!
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Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting Chimborazo (Reply 22):
There are a certain amount of high yield travellers who want to go from A to B on a given day. So the airlines make it "more attractive" by adding frequency. But on smaller metal. So either the loads are going to be light in the first place (otherwise there isn't flexibility as the flights will be full) or it is just marketing and you don't actually have that flexibility- just the perception of it which (clever by the airline) encouraged you to select them.

If they go from fewer flights with larger planes to more flights with smaller planes, that doesn't mean the loads were necessarily lighter to begin with - it just means they are not spreading that demand over more flights. Loads need not change at all from one to another. If - hypothetically - you went from, say, 3x 747 to 2x 747, and demand stayed constant, that would cause loads to go up, but if you go from 3x 747 to 4x 777 (or whatever), the loads may not decrease at all if capacity doesn't change (i.e., if capacity stays the same but is spread over 4 flights instead of 3).

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 24):
That's a good question!

It could be a BA slot. Now that AA and BA have an ATI/JV, they can and do actively pool/exchange LHR slots.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?

I've compared the flights to LHR for a monday of this summer (19 flights) and a monday of summer 2010 (18 flights). The number of daily flights are the same for all destinations except for DFW, where there's one more, so the slot is not coming from another AA flight.

For the equipment:

- 2010: 12x 777, 4x 767 and 2x 757.
- 2012: 12x 777, 4x 767 and 3x 757.

18JUN2012 (Monday):

BOS 09:00 LHR 20:40 156 757
BOS 20:10 LHR 07:45 108 757
BOS 22:25 LHR 10:05 124 757

DFW 16:50 LHR 07:50 050 777
DFW 17:15 LHR 08:30 026 763
DFW 19:45 LHR 10:45 078 777
DFW 21:05 LHR 12:25 080 763

JFK 09:40 LHR 21:30 142 777
JFK 18:10 LHR 06:20 100 777
JFK 19:35 LHR 07:40 138 777
JFK 21:00 LHR 09:00 104 777
JFK 23:00 LHR 11:00 106 777

LAX 19:55 LHR 14:15 136 777

MIA 18:35 LHR 08:10 056 777

ORD 09:10 LHR 22:45 090 763
ORD 18:10 LHR 07:50 086 777
ORD 19:25 LHR 09:05 046 777
ORD 21:45 LHR 11:25 098 777

RDU 18:20 LHR 06:55 174 763


19JUL2010 (Monday):

BOS 09:05 LHR 20:45 156 757
BOS 19:15 LHR 06:50 108 763
BOS 22:00 LHR 09:35 124 757

DFW 16:50 LHR 07:50 050 777
DFW 19:45 LHR 10:45 078 777
DFW 21:10 LHR 12:25 080 763

JFK 08:20 LHR 20:25 142 777
JFK 18:00 LHR 06:25 100 777
JFK 20:10 LHR 08:25 104 777
JFK 21:15 LHR 09:25 132 777
JFK 23:35 LHR 11:35 116 777

LAX 19:50 LHR 14:15 136 777

MIA 17:05 LHR 06:35 056 777

ORD 09:00 LHR 22:45 090 763
ORD 17:05 LHR 06:50 086 777
ORD 20:15 LHR 10:00 046 777
ORD 21:40 LHR 11:25 098 777

RDU 18:15 LHR 06:55 174 763

[Edited 2012-02-14 14:23:57]
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:17 pm

Miami drops from 2-3 daily back to daily from the winter though I see.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 27):

Miami drops from 2-3 daily back to daily from the winter though I see.

Then that could be your answer.
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Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 25):
If they go from fewer flights with larger planes to more flights with smaller planes, that doesn't mean the loads were necessarily lighter to begin with - it just means they are not spreading that demand over more flights. Loads need not change at all from one to another. If - hypothetically - you went from, say, 3x 747 to 2x 747, and demand stayed constant, that would cause loads to go up, but if you go from 3x 747 to 4x 777 (or whatever), the loads may not decrease at all if capacity doesn't change (i.e., if capacity stays the same but is spread over 4 flights instead of 3).

I'm not disputing that. But if loads stay the same, what's the point? In that case encouraging extra high yield with flexibility hasn't worked- the airline is likely paying a higher CASM due to smaller metal now being used.

If loads go up (and they weren't sending the planes out light load factor initially) where is the extra capacity going to come from, or, is there not really any extra capacity? The airline would perhaps use the apparent "flexibility" to increase the ticket price and therefore yield, but in practice there isn't the flexibility because now the planes are more likely to be full.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):


Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?



Nothing needs to be dropped on the AA side. All AA, BA and IB slots are now pooled. The slot could very well be coming from a BA reduction.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 27):
Miami drops from 2-3 daily back to daily from the winter though I see.

MIA total loses three weekly frequencies conpared to W12, but gains seven compared to S11. BA will takeover a flight, so it will be 1x AA/3x BA.
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Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 30):
The slot could very well be coming from a BA reduction.

Or additional BA slots acquired from LH or leased from QF since they're halving their LHR flights from March.
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:46 pm

Quoting Chimborazo (Reply 29):
I'm not disputing that. But if loads stay the same, what's the point? In that case encouraging extra high yield with flexibility hasn't worked- the airline is likely paying a higher CASM due to smaller metal now being used.

Higher cost, but - theoretically - higher CASM. It's the classic airline story of the S-curve ... the larger the market share, the airline get's a disproportionately larger share of the market's revenue. This isn't a hard and fast rule - and it is not as applicable as it may have been decades ago when there was far less competition. However, many airlines seem to believe - and I have no reason to dispute them - that the added revenue they can drive by offering customers a more attractive product (higher frequency, greater flexibility) covers the added cost from operating more flights.

Again - Delta's own CEO explained exactly that last week it better than I ever could.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 32):
It's the classic airline story of the S-curve ... the larger the market share, the airline get's a disproportionately larger share of the market's revenue.

Right, and this theory has explained how a single hub airport struggles to support two competing legacy carriers when both have the same type of cost structure and network size.

On one hand, this move has me scratching my head at first because of all five cornerstone hubs, DFW is the only one without a direct competitor to LHR. As is, no carrier is going to go up against AA/BA to fly DFW-LON (not even NK is capable of doing this) so why does AA feel the need to add a fourth flight if it could dilute the yields on the existing flights?

Then again, I temper this with the hard fact that since receiving ATI, BA and AA have reported that traffic on DFWLHR has skyrocketed and perhaps, as someone pointed out before, this complements the notion that the freed up 767 can be sent to DFW if the demand is there.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:25 am

Quoting UALWN (Reply 11):

A good example in which replacing those four flights with two A380 (or 748) flights leaving at 1700 and 2025 would reduce AA's CASM very considerably without affecting much anything else.

I absolutely agree that the LHR schedule shows how AA would benefit from something larger than the 777-200. That's the reason why they have 777-300ERs on order. It's LHR, GRU and EZE that are the reasons behind the 777-300ER order as AA will benefit from a larger plane on these high capacity routes.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting realsim (Reply 26):
RDU18:15LHR06:55174763

Wasn't this a 777?
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:39 am

I don't see why people are saying that they don't see the need of this extra flight.

It is one more flight between arguably the two largest/most important oneWorld hubs.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 35):
Wasn't this a 777?

Only when it first moved from Gatwick, it's been a B763 for a while.

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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 34):
I absolutely agree that the LHR schedule shows how AA would benefit from something larger than the 777-200.

BA could also put an A380 onto it as well once they start receiving them.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 38):
BA could also put an A380 onto it as well once they start receiving them.

That's been rumored already for 2014. In the meantime, BA starts a 77W Winter 2012 on DFW LHR. Shame to see the 744 leaving DFW already though.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 15):
Well there may well be if (a) one combined flight would require a larger aircraft than AA and BA have available to schedule, and (b) if, as is likely, the rolling DFW hub means that some connections that are illegal with a 1650 departure are legal to sell with a departure 25 minutes later.

Exactly. In the world of selling connections, 25 minutes makes a huge difference.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 34):
I absolutely agree that the LHR schedule shows how AA would benefit from something larger than the 777-200.

Agree. It will be the BA A380 (as well as the 77Ws).
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:30 am

As LHR is one of the few exceptions to the AA hub strategy (with BOS and RDU flights), can AA tried, instead of a 4th DFW-LHR, to run flights from a different market to LHR ?
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:18 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 41):

As LHR is one of the few exceptions to the AA hub strategy (with BOS and RDU flights), can AA tried, instead of a 4th DFW-LHR, to run flights from a different market to LHR ?

It's definitely possible; people once speculated back when AA and BA received ATI, that it would allow the combined carrier (along with IB) an opportunity to start operating a few routes that would link a few non-OW hub routes with LHR, such as DTWLHR, PITLHR, BDLLHR etc on AA metal, using a 757, since the costs would be lower on AA aircraft, and some of these were previously-operated BA markets that had been discontinued long before the JV.

However, I think this is now wishful thinking, since it seems like DL's approach in using this same strategy with AF-KL has been highly hit-or-miss. PHLCDG was canned, PITCDG can only work seasonally, and RDUCDG never materialized.

With AA in Ch. 11, I think the norm will continue to be focusing on OneWorld hubs and the Cornerstone strategy.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:06 pm

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 4):
I looked and the fares are pretty steep 1200 + one way in coach.

Have a look for the same flight with a return a week later and you will see it for the same price for the return journey, if not cheaper. Don't forget that unlike domestic US journeys, transatlantic fares are not generally priced on a one-way basis.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 30):
MIA total loses three weekly frequencies conpared to W12, but gains seven compared to S11. BA will takeover a flight, so it will be 1x AA/3x BA.

Most US cities have more traffic in the summer to the UK and Europe, Miami is opposite. MIA has more demand in the winter months and less in the summer. This is why AA reduces their summer MIA to LHR to a single 777.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?

AA and BA, now that they have ATI, follow a policy they call "metal neutrality" - that is they do not differentiate between their own flights and their partner's flights on North Atlantic routes. So to them there is no difference between an added AA frequency and an added BA flight between DFW and LHR.

BA will gain 700+ weekly slots when they complete the purchase of BD. For once - at least if you are AA or part of IAG - LHR slots will not a problem. For example on their LHR-EDI-LHR rotations BA and BD currently operate 5 flights a day where the departure times are within minutes of each other. So the early morning LHR-EDI BA flight (BA1432) departs at 06:45 and is followed by BD50 ten minutes later at 06:55.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 45):
BA will gain 700+ weekly slots when they complete the purchase of BD. For once - at least if you are AA or part of IAG - LHR slots will not a problem. For example on their LHR-EDI-LHR rotations BA and BD currently operate 5 flights a day where the departure times are within minutes of each other. So the early morning LHR-EDI BA flight (BA1432) departs at 06:45 and is followed by BD50 ten minutes later at 06:55.

Many new BA flights are fom BMI's slots, BA has wanted to fly 3 times daily to Miami for years but couldn't with lack of LHR slots. New BA flights to Korea, Malaysia and China would come from BMI slots.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:01 pm

AA and BA are still not the same. Frequent flyer associations are different, e.g. AA has a relationship with QR and BA may have with other airlines. Mileage accruals are different in the lowest economy fares. BA allows 2 bags free in economy to Middle east and India, not sure if the first leg is on AA. So it is in the best interest of AA and BA to share the number of flights.
 
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting Chimborazo (Reply 22):
I've never entirely understood this. There are a certain amount of high yield travellers who want to go from A to B on a given day. So the airlines make it "more attractive" by adding frequency. But on smaller metal. So either the loads are going to be light in the first place (otherwise there isn't flexibility as the flights will be full) or it is just marketing and you don't actually have that flexibility- just the perception of it which (clever by the airline) encouraged you to select them.

I do not follow your logic. If they are increasing frequency but using smaller aircraft, then they are spreading their passengers over more flights. No? No airline adds capacity just for the hell of it. Very sophisticated software is used by airlines to model yields and capacity changes.

For me, frequency wins over capacity, every time, especially over the pond. Clearly you have never been in a meeting in Chicago which was supposed to finish at 3:00pm but which is still going strong at 5:00pm, meaning your planned 6:30pm departure to London is now toast. Trust me, you love those extra frequencies when this happens. I don't care if it is a 767, 777 or 747 - as long as there is an aircraft able to bring me home when I get to the airport.
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RE: AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR

Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:37 pm

Good indeed too bad some DFW-LHR would be on AA's ancient 763's!!! Can't wait for the 787's to take over those old 763's...they need to go soon!!!! :O

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