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beau222
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United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:01 pm

Personally I think this is a rather drastic increase, not sure how they substantiate these prices.


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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:23 pm

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drop its current flat rate for pets that are checked as excess baggage and instead require all animals to be shipped as cargo

Can't tell for sure, but it looks like UA is adopting former CO policies?

The link says a trans-pacific flight would go from a flat fee of $283 to $1400 to $3800 based on pet size.

What does this do to domestic USA flights?
 
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:49 pm

It's a moot point for me. I would never check a beloved pet into the cargo hold of an airplane. 95% or whatever the survival rate is, is not good enough for me.

However, I did notice that AS greatly increased the fee to bring a pet in the cabin a few years ago to where it would equal or exceed my own r/t SEA-SJC ticket. That kind of priced me out of the idea of taking my cat to the folks for Christmas. Not sure I get this one. It doesn't really cost the airline any additional incremental cost for one to bring a pet in the cabin. Not like they need any special handling or extra labor.
 
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting beau222 (Thread starter):
Personally I think this is a rather drastic increase, not sure how they substantiate these prices.

Maybe they really don't want to carry pets.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
However, I did notice that AS greatly increased the fee to bring a pet in the cabin a few years ago to where it would equal or exceed my own r/t SEA-SJC ticket. That kind of priced me out of the idea of taking my cat to the folks for Christmas.

That is probably their desire. They really don't want pets in the cabin or in the cargo hold...it is not worth the revenue for the additional liability, both for the pet getting injured or for the other passengers complaining (allergies and the like).
 
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting ADent (Reply 1):
What does this do to domestic USA flights?

Depends on how big your pet is.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Not like they need any special handling or extra labor.


To be fair, there is some potential added cost in the case cleaning is needed for a sick pet or something of the sort. They are probably right to charge to defray, but the price is more than that.
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:33 pm

Continental's program is well thought out. Not sure about he pricing, but it might be justified. The pets are taken in at the cargo desk, not the baggage check. The cargo desk knows what types of crates are allowed, makes sure there is water available, will place your pet in a secure, air conditioned area, then transport the pet to the aircraft separately. On hub transfers, there are air-conditioned pet transfer vehicles. On arrival, the pet is brought to you at the oversized baggage area. It's still traumatic, but not nearly as dangerous as treating a pet carrier as luggage and having the rushed baggage handlers processing and transporting the animal. That's how animals get left on a hot or cold apron, run over with tugs, etc.
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:44 pm

And then you have passengers who travel freely with their 'emotional support animal' all too happy to show you their 'Doctors note' 'proving' that they can't travel without 'Fluffy'. Scam artists just playing the system on the backs of those truly in need of support animals.
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 6):
And then you have passengers who travel freely with their 'emotional support animal' all too happy to show you their 'Doctors note' 'proving' that they can't travel without 'Fluffy'. Scam artists just playing the system on the backs of those truly in need of support animals.

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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:05 pm

Simply put, UA is adopting CO's PetSafe program (one of the best in the airline business) and is changing their fees to CO's fees.

Sometimes, higher standards mean higher prices, and PMCO had higher standards for pets than PMUA.
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Not like they need any special handling or extra labor.

That's just about as far from reality as can get, that is for airlines who actually care for the cargo (pets are cargo, not baggage) they are carrying.

The CO procedures as outlined above sounds very professional and thought out. And things like that cost money, lots of money. If you fancy taking your chances transporting your pet on an airline treating your pet as baggage, good luck to you - bit the same as flying Hewa Bora Airlines as a passenger: Good chance you'll end up dead rather than at your destination.

Personally I wouldn't ever trust the safety of my dog, cat or other pet with any airline, even the likes of CO or LH who have proper procedures in place. If I had to migrate from, say, the US to Europe I'd book passage on a ship if my dog was coming with me. Small price to pay to ensure the safety of your best and most loyal friend.
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Not like they need any special handling or extra labor.

That's just about as far from reality as can get, that is for airlines who actually care for the cargo (pets are cargo, not baggage) they are carrying.

The CO procedures as outlined above sounds very professional and thought out. And things like that cost money, lots of money. If you fancy taking your chances transporting your pet on an airline treating your pet as baggage, good luck to you - bit the same as flying Hewa Bora Airlines as a passenger: Good chance you'll end up dead rather than at your destination.

Personally I wouldn't ever trust the safety of my dog, cat or other pet with any airline, even the likes of CO or LH who have proper procedures in place. If I had to migrate from, say, the US to Europe I'd book passage on a ship if my dog was coming with me. Small price to pay to ensure the safety of your best and most loyal friend.

If you had read my posting, I clearly stated that referring to taking a pet on board the cabin like carry-on luggage when I said it doesn't require any special handling or extra labor.
 
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:39 pm

As a breeder and judge - I have a bit of experience with this.
First - United in-cabin pet policy is the reason I don't fly United with pets anymore - and fly United a ;pt less, and Frontier more. It is a foolish policy in my opinion. If you know a little about the economics of people who travel with pets in cabin - you will find that this is a group of people who spend money pretty regularly. Did you watch the Westminster Kennel Club show on TV? Big bucks there. United currently charges $125 each way for the privileged of using your carry on space for a small dog/cat in a kennel. Frontier for example, $75. Note - there is no added cost to the airline - the pet rides in a bag under the seat. In fact, almost invariably, the passenger with a pet will have to check a bag, since they've used carry on space for the pet - so they would make more. It is not unusual for the pet fee to be comparable to the ticket. People who do this regularly have animals who handle it very well. I've traveled in cabin with my Scotties numerous times - people rarely know. Even people sitting in that row.

Compare how often you read about a pet disrupting a flight (I can think of one cat recently) compared to how often PASSENGERS disrupt the flight. BTW - our pets (Scottish Terriers) are non-sheding

Just a month ago - my wife went to a show in Seattle (on Frontier). During the flight she needed to use the restroom and she advised the passenger sitting beside her - you know there is a dog in there, so don't be surprised if it moves. The person was completely surprised and had not noticed.

As for in hold travel - this is something I avoid if at all possible. If I do it, I use Continental with their Petsafe program. It is well thought out and reliable - much more so than other carriers. You can tell this by just reading the rules. Most (like United), have restrictions on temperatures at airports along the route and cannot guarantee travel until the day. Continental has dedicated service vans with air conditioning and heat to deal with that - and they are much more reliable about when they can travel.

One of my concerns about UA/CO merger is will Continental's program go away. I've been told no - it will expand to United, but I hope so.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Simply put, UA is adopting CO's PetSafe program (one of the best in the airline business) and is changing their fees to CO's fees.

Sometimes, higher standards mean higher prices, and PMCO had higher standards for pets than PMUA

This is great news - I'm happy to pay for the better service
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:58 pm

Here are the rates that will go in effect 3.3.12. United just published them on their Facebook Page. Man, you should see the S%$T storm brewing over at the United FB page. Lots of Military wives going nuts! Hopefully this will calm things down.



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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:19 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember on a CO flight in 2004 from EWR-PBI someone brought their Kitty on board an it was below the beat in back of me. It was in a regular plasit carrying case and I didn't notice the kitty doing much throughout the entire flight....

So my question is, can you bring your cat on board when your flying the new UA or not? Does it cost more?
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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:12 pm

You definitely can bring the animal on board. I don't think the onboard prices are going to go up.

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RE: United Drastically Increasing Pet Fees.

Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 13):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember on a CO flight in 2004 from EWR-PBI someone brought their Kitty on board an it was below the beat in back of me. It was in a regular plasit carrying case and I didn't notice the kitty doing much throughout the entire flight....

So my question is, can you bring your cat on board when your flying the new UA or not? Does it cost more?

Yes, the carrier must fit under the seat. There are two types, the sherpa style soft bag that is aircraft sized and a flatter but wider plastic case. Generally, it's not fair to put a full grown cat in the flatter case because they can't stand up and turn around freely, but kittens do fine in there.
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