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South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:23 pm

People passing through a Delta Air Lines jet loading up Monday evening in Atlanta for a flight to Dallas/Fort Worth may have thought that guy sitting in a first-class seat looked familiar.

In fact, it was Gary Kelly, chairman, president and CEO of Southwest Airlines, coming home from the festivities marking the opening of Southwest's Atlanta station.




http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...es-that-was-gary-kelly-sittin.html
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:25 pm

SOP ... Doing the dirty work of checking what the competition offers. Probably came on AA?
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:29 pm

This is news how? (To the Article, not you cokepopper)

Kelly is a businessman too. He and Herb Kelleher were always flying on American out of DFW to attend meetings they needed to make.

Fact is, if they have to fly somewhere and AA can get them there faster, they will take American or Delta (Depending on the destination). If they have time and can fly on Southwest and it is non-stop they will fly Southwest.

I guess to the people of Southwest this is not news, it is not unheard of CEO to fly other carriers, especially when time and schedule is of an issue.

Alex

[Edited 2012-02-16 13:30:13]
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:29 pm

It's definitely a funny thought... the CEO of one airline flying another airline. But it makes sense. I've seen him fly DFW-LAX on AA before too. Because of the Wright Amendment, it's not easy getting to and from DAL from various points in the country. He's a busy guy who needs to get where he's going. Period.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
This is news how?

It's called "human interest news" my friend.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:34 pm

I agree, it's not really "news" but it is funny that the CEO of an Air Line that doesn't see the necessity
of a F/C cabin enjoying it on the competition  
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
I agree, it's not really "news" but it is funny that the CEO of an Air Line that doesn't see the necessity
of a F/C cabin enjoying it on the competition

As well as the nonstop 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:41 pm

Back in the day. HK flew AS to Alaska on several occasions.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):


There was a time CEO knew how to fly with style......
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:46 pm

Southwest is in the interesting position of having its headquarters in Dallas, but being separated from the vast majority of stations. Southwest cannot fly from DFW or DAL to ATL, so it makes sense to fly the competition. Although Southwest does not interline with other airlines, they do have reciprocal staff travel (both positive space and space available) so he can fly on Delta for 50% off the published fare. It would be a horrible waste of time if WN management always had to fly WN out of DAL since it limits their options since they have to connect. Fly WN when it makes sense, but fly the competition when it makes business sense. It is better having him fly DL than flying on a corporate jet fleet.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:46 pm

I recall reading somewhere that the commercial airlines reciprocally offer space-positive non-rev travel in the highest available cabin to the CEO's of the other commercial carriers. I don't know if that's apocryphal, though. So it would make sense for GK to go on Delta if that was the only option that worked time-wise.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
As well as the nonstop

You don't think WN would offer ATL-DAL non-stop if they were permitted to do so by law?
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:48 pm

This isn't really news.

Herb Kelleher was Executive Platinum on AA for years - probably still is. I ran into him several times at DFW over the years.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):

What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL  
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
You don't think WN would offer ATL-DAL non-stop if they were permitted to do so by law?

Of course they would.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):

Did FL fly ATL-DFW also?
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:56 pm

Not unusual for airline CEOs to fly their competitors if it's justified and makes sense. Just last week AA's Horton flew US LGA-DCA.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

FL wasn't a choice since they had to stop serving DFW almost six months ago. AA's latest ATL-DFW flight departs at 8:20 PM, while DL's latest departs at 10:00 PM -- so it may have come down to schedule.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

Depends, and Air Tran cannot legally fly ATL-DFW anymore so FL was not an option.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Did FL fly ATL-DFW also?

Until November of 2011 they did.

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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 16):

Hey you said it not me..... !
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:08 pm

Get this... Almost all US airlines allow crew members (flight attendants and pilots) from other US airlines fly for free on domestic flights in any open cabin seat.   
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 19):

And CEO have a PS1 priority for boarding on any other carrier.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 20):
And CEO have a PS1 priority for boarding on any other carrier.

What does this mean?
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:32 pm

The picture of the Lockheed jet above was a perk we (EASTERN) got when the L-1011 joined the fleet. Borman's toy was used alot to fly him and family out to their ranch somewhere out west.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 21):
What does this mean?

Positive Space -- meaning they travel in a reserved seat, the opposite would be an SA (Space Available) pass. Most nonrev travel is space available, which is like standby, you get a seat if there is one available at departure.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

FL no longer flies ATL-DFW
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:56 pm

CEOs are like flight crews they get free jump seats also. 80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats. Wnfg
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 25):
CEOs are like flight crews they get free jump seats also. 80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats.

You really think he NONREVED home? I don't think so.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:22 pm

Even GK doesn't like the cattle car experience of riding WN. Isn't that considered an "offsides" penalty by riding the competition if you believe those ridiculous ads WN airs.

DL should run and ad touting that the CEO of WN travels on them when he needs a first class seat! So no bags to check and a FC seat are more important than a free checked bag to a business customer. The inference that can be drawn is that GK doesn't believe WN could pull off a FC product and that is why he is so afraid of having on his own carrier.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 25):
CEOs are like flight crews they get free jump seats also. 80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats. Wnfg

To get a jumpseat offline you have to have a crew badge, I am willing to bet Mr Kelly is not in CASS and isn't jumpseat eligible. No, Mr Kelly was spending WN dollars on a expenses to buy a comfortable NON-STOP FC seat!!!
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting mcdu (Reply 27):
Even GK doesn't like the cattle car experience of riding WN.

Oh. Dear. God.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 26):

You really think he NONREVED home? I don't think so.

Yeah I kinda laughed at that one too.

CEOs and other executives and board members purchase their tickets no matter which airline or class they fly. It's charged to a company credit card and is considered a business expense.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):

Funny enough, Richard Anderson doesn't even take advantage of his confirmed positive space first class right when flying domestic. He will take a seat in coach (usually second exit row aisle) and be placed on the upgrade list like any other employee flying positive space and wait for a seat based on seniority after all medallions and standby upgrades are cleared. Flying international I've heard he will fly positive space up front confirmed.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):
Southwest cannot fly from DFW or DAL to ATL

Can WN not fly DFW-ATL? Is this part of their DAL agreement?
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 31):

Can WN not fly DFW-ATL? Is this part of their DAL agreement?

No, Southwest or Air Tran cannot fly DFW-ATL or DAL-ATL as part of the DAL Agreement, without consequences until 2014.

That's why we saw FL drop DFW-ATL back in November of 2011.

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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:55 pm

Some airlines have (had?) one or two corporate jets. Surprised WN doesn't have any considering their awkward situation in Dallas.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):


Not true. Im a dispatcher and have no crew badge. Just an airline ID badge. I am in CASS and jumpseat offline very often, frequently having to ride in the cockpit due to high load factors. I frequently jumpseat on US, WN, UA/CAL, UPS, AA and all their regionals every week.

[Edited 2012-02-16 15:59:03]
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 31):
Can WN not fly DFW-ATL? Is this part of their DAL agreement?

IIRC they can fly DFW-ATL, but then they have to give up gates at DAL (ie not going to happen).

No one is allowed to fly DAL-ATL at this time (though sometime in the future that restriction will be lifted).
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:03 am

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):
No, Mr Kelly was spending WN dollars on a expenses to buy a comfortable NON-STOP FC seat!!!

An *assigned* comfortable FC seat with free alcohol and snacks. I think that's what I'd prefer too...
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):

Ummm...that's not true. DL was flying DAL-ATL not to long ago using CR2s but the route has since been discontinued.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting mcdu (Reply 27):
Even GK doesn't like the cattle car experience of riding WN

Huh... I wonder how that explains me seeing him on several Southwest flights?
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 19):
Get this... Almost all US airlines allow crew members (flight attendants and pilots) from other US airlines fly for free on domestic flights in any open cabin seat.

True, as long as the airlines have a reciprocal jump seat agreement.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):
No one is allowed to fly DAL-ATL at this time (though sometime in the future that restriction will be lifted).

Anyone can fly DAL-ATL as long as they use an aircraft with less than a certain number of seats (think its 66.)
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):
Ummm...that's not true. DL was flying DAL-ATL not to long ago using CR2s but the route has since been discontinued.

Oooh you are correct. IIRC if you are under 56 seats you can fly wherever you want in the US.

WN can't fly DAL-ATL with its 737s. No airline can fly that route non-stop with larger aircraft, but with the small jets they can.

[Edited 2012-02-16 16:18:54]
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):

No one is allowed to fly DAL-ATL at this time (though sometime in the future that restriction will be lifted).

As stated by FLYASA, any airline may fly DAL-XXX outside of the Restrictions provided the seat capacity is 56 seats or less.

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):

IIRC they can fly DFW-ATL, but then they have to give up gates at DAL (ie not going to happen).

Yes and No...if SWA is really going to start up Dallas to ATL or any city outside of the amendment, they'd just do it from DAL, they will not fly out of DFW as long as DAL is an option.

The wording is quite specific in two parts..SWA may NOT fly DAL or DFW-ATL or any city outside of the restriction...then it goes on should SWA choose to do so before 2014...the consequences would be...and it's what you started about the gates, as well as any city I believe 80 miles around Dallas.

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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 41):

And as noted above, Southwest/AirTran can in fact fly DFW-XXX but they would have to give up gates one-for-one at DAL for they gates they keep/use at DFW. WN isn't doing that, hence FL pulling out of DFW last year.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:30 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 39):
True, as long as the airlines have a reciprocal jump seat agreement.

Except that Kelly isn't part of the group allowed to jumpseat.

I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding. Perhaps if WN tried to compete on their own service and amenities versus the pet Chihuahua method they employ this wouldn't be such a big deal.
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:38 am

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 34):
Im a dispatcher and have no crew badge. Just an airline ID badge.

GK doesn't meet the requirements of a CASS participant. The CASS system is limited and our dispatchers were carrying id's that indicated cockpit access on them. Don't see too many dispatchers along for rides.

Also the cockpit jumpseat can only be occupied by an offline CASS jumpseater if ALL cabin seats are filled. If the only seat in the back is between two sumo wrestlers the offline pilot must sit next to them according the FAA....
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding. Perhaps if WN tried to compete on their own service and amenities versus the pet Chihuahua method they employ this wouldn't be such a big deal.

I am sure Anderson has flown AA, WN, UA/CO, US etc while working for DL, so it would just come back to bite DL.

And Pet Chihuahua method? Really?
 
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting mcdu (Reply 45):
Also the cockpit jumpseat can only be occupied by an offline CASS jumpseater if ALL cabin seats are filled. If the only seat in the back is between two sumo wrestlers the offline pilot must sit next to them according the FAA....

Which makes no sense from a CRM point of view....
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 46):
so it would just come back to bite DL

Also, such a "come back" wouldn't fit with DL's current advertising style. Moving through 2012 from 2011, the Keep Climbing campaign will continue. At the moment, the focus is on Delta's turn around from 2010 with all the accomplishments being pushed to all the media outlets. It was truly a test of will to be better and you have to thank leadership, the technology department and maketing notably Tim Mapes and all the employees that made it happen. Moving from 8th to 3rd for on-time performance, from 8th to 3rd for bag deals, from 9th to 5th for completion factor, and from 9th to 5th for customer complaints. Fortune’s Most Admired Airline, #1 U.S. airlines in Business Travel News and Travel Weekly, and top tech U.S. airline from PCWorld.

However, wouldn't be surprised to see a quick jab somewhere in print in ATL   In fact, in anticipation of WN's arrival in Atlanta, DL started another branding initiative to re-do all the tugs and baggage carts; to be wrapped in Delta Blue with the red widget and the words "Atlanta's Airline" on the side of the carts. Before they were all plain white with "Delta" on the sides and front and of course they couldn't be outdone by WN's iconic bold colors on all their GSE equipment.
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RE: South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class

Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:19 am

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding. Perhaps if WN tried to compete on their own service and amenities versus the pet Chihuahua method they employ this wouldn't be such a big deal.

Yeah... the same way American spent their advertising dollars in the Herb Kelleher years promoting the fact that Herb often flew AA on longer routes out of Dallas. Oh wait... they didn't.

And the pet chihuahua comment.... I don't even understand it. Seriously... I don't.

All we have to do is read any of your many previous anti-Southwest posts to know you don't like them. We get it. But if you are going to try to insult Southwest, at least use phrases we understand. "Pet Chihuahua method?"

 
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