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AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:05 pm

Sorry no link but just read on our company intranet that in order to 'align AA cabin service with BA and IB' AA will start serving free wine and beer in coach on trans-atlantic, transpacific and 'longer' US - South American routes.

Do any other US majors serve free wine or beer on international flights?
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
Do any other US majors serve free wine or beer on international flights?

Delta was free beer and wine on AMS-DTW back in Nov.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
Do any other US majors serve free wine or beer on international flights?

There was a thread about this when AA announced it.

UA serves free alcohol on all transpacific and intra-asia flights.
DL serves free beer and wine with dinner on overseas flights.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:14 pm

Finally. This put them at a competitive disadvantage, and pushed me on to Air France, where they are not chintzy.
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:10 pm

This was announced last month and started Feb. 1. As you allude to in your post it does not include flights the the Caribbean,Central America, and near South America.

Overall a good move by AA   
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:15 pm

Yeah there was a thread about this a month or two ago.

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
DL serves free beer and wine with dinner on overseas flights.

Actually, DL's policy is to offer free beer and wine throughout the duration of the flight, not just with dinner.
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
There was a thread about this when AA announced it.

yes, voila..

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Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:35 pm

I'll drink to that!

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Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:49 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
UA serves free alcohol on all transpacific and intra-asia flights

Yes they do. However I found out that the flights operated by (old) CO apparently do not serve beer and wine for free. You'd think they would harmonize this. Anybody know when this happens? I will be flying PEK-EWR in April.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:58 pm

No hard whiskey or vodka? Sounds stingy to me...
 
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
Actually, DL's policy is to offer free beer and wine throughout the duration of the flight, not just with dinner.

Yup, but it can be hit-or-miss. When I flew DTW-GRU last month, the FAs were very generous about conducting multiple drink rounds, and the booze was flowing freely. On the return, however, flying GRU-ATL, the FA's didn't even do an initial pre-meal drink service; they just did one round after the meal was served (and most people in the Y cabin were finished with their meals by the time the crew came around with the first beverage service). So, essentially, everyone got one drink.

Then again, it could also have to do with the time of day during which the flight falls. DTWGRU, for instance, left at 7PM local time, whereas GRUATL left at 10PM local time, so that might have had something to do with it.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 8):
Anybody know when this happens? I will be flying PEK-EWR in April.

You should be safe. By then, UA/CO should (hopefully, slash probably) have all of their passenger info systems merged onto one platform, meaning they will officially be one airline, so policy will apply to all flights with a UA flight number irregardless of which airline the crew came from originally (in this case being CO because its EWRPEK).
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
When I flew DTW-GRU last month, the FAs were very generous about conducting multiple drink rounds, and the booze was flowing freely. On the return, however, flying GRU-ATL, the FA's didn't even do an initial pre-meal drink service; they just did one round after the meal was served (and most people in the Y cabin were finished with their meals by the time the crew came around with the first beverage service). So, essentially, everyone got one drink.

Then again, it could also have to do with the time of day during which the flight falls. DTWGRU, for instance, left at 7PM local time, whereas GRUATL left at 10PM local time, so that might have had something to do with it.

Yes, the service in Y class does differ depending on the time of departure. If one departs before 9:00pm then a pre-meal beverage service is supposed to be offered. After 9:00pm then we go straight into the meal service with the beverage cart following the meal cart.
 
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:31 pm

I would say "woohoo," but it's news to me that not everyone already had free drinks. Any airline that actually charges you for drinks on a trans-oceanic flight should be boycotted out of business, that's ridiculous. Honestly, what are you paying for with your fare anymore? No service, no legroom, no food, AND no drinks?! Toss off.
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:11 pm

On LAX-SYD, the red/white wine Delta gives comes poured out of a vacuum packed bag... Considering how much weight this saves over aluminum cans, and the cheap price of budget wine, it could easily be cheaper or no additional cost to offer wine in the first place.
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
I would say "woohoo," but it's news to me that not everyone already had free drinks. Any airline that actually charges you for drinks on a trans-oceanic flight should be boycotted out of business, that's ridiculous. Honestly, what are you paying for with your fare anymore? No service, no legroom, no food, AND no drinks?! Toss off.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There's no point in flying TATL if I'm not half pissed by the time I'm at LHR...


....Seriously though, I wasn't aware of American Carriers not offering this. AC and BA have offered it for as long as I can remember. How does everyone else get to sleep on those flights?
 
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm

This is actually done so pax forget the high fares and lousy service they get on AA.   
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):

In addition to beer and wine being free not only with the meal but actually through the entire flight (int'l), beer and wine is free on intra-Asia flights and on the Delta Shuttle.
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Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:23 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
Honestly, what are you paying for with your fare anymore?

Honestly? Transportation from point A to point B!
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:18 am

So what about AC, LH and BA. I know KL does has I flew with them couple times but it has been a while so I don't know if they still do.

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Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:54 am

Are the flight attedents trained to spot fake ids?
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Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):

Are the flight attedents trained to spot fake ids?

I've never been asked to shown one in first place, neither on BA nor on AY, while I always get carded on ground (they are very strict about it over here).
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:51 am

Oh, this explains why I got free wine on my AA flight (BOS-LHR) on 13th Feb. I had no idea they were going to do this and was pretty shocked when I wasn't charged for it. Great move! It was actually a decent little flight across the pond in a half full 757 with a row to myself in Y and a nice friendly crew. Now if only their 757s had PTVs like CO do.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
Are the flight attedents trained to spot fake ids?

I've never been carded. Been flying transatlantic since I was 17 and had quite a few that first time over the pond on DL. On European carriers like LH, BA. AF, I suppose it is less of a concern since you can legally buy beer at age 16 or so.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 22):

I've been non-reving since before I can remember and I must admit that I've kicked back a few while traveling F as young as 16..
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
Do any other US majors serve free wine or beer on international flights?

As far as I remember, DL never stopped serving beer and wine in Y on international routes. I have flown DL international since 2008 every year and have never come across a flight without complementary beer/wine in Y.
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 13):
On LAX-SYD, the red/white wine Delta gives comes poured out of a vacuum packed bag... Considering how much weight this saves over aluminum cans, and the cheap price of budget wine, it could easily be cheaper or no additional cost to offer wine in the first place.

Yeah, on DL it came out of a box. Classy all the way.

But seriously, to your point, such wine could honestly cost pennies. On a TATL, the cost of adding this as an ancillary fee probably outweigh the benefits. I just wish UA would join in on the practice as AA and DL now have.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):

Are the flight attedents trained to spot fake ids?

Ehh, I was under the impression that on TATL flights, since it's int'l waters theoretically, you go by the minimal age requirement between the two countries. I.E. when I was under 21, but over 18, it was perfectly okay to be served on an ORDLHR flight, for example.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
Sorry no link but just read on our company intranet that in order to 'align AA cabin service with BA and IB' AA will start serving free wine and beer in coach on trans-atlantic, transpacific and 'longer' US - South American routes.

Still doesn't "align with BA and IB". They don't limit alcohol in Y class to beer and wine only.

Quoting kl692 (Reply 18):
So what about AC, LH and BA. I know KL does has I flew with them couple times but it has been a while so I don't know if they still do.

Virtually all full-service carriers other than those based in the U.S. provide free alcoholic drinks in Y class. Very few exceptions apart from the LCCs. AF even serves Champagne in Y class.
 
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
On the return, however, flying GRU-ATL, the FA's didn't even do an initial pre-meal drink service; they just did one round after the meal was served (and most people in the Y cabin were finished with their meals by the time the crew came around with the first beverage service). So, essentially, everyone got one drink.

You can always ring the F/A bell and ask for it. "Everyone" might only get one drink but "you" can get as many drinks as you want.

At least this is how it is on every other airline that serves alcohol and doesn't charge for it, but I would assume it would be the same on DL.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:04 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 17):
Honestly? Transportation from point A to point B!

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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26):
Still doesn't "align with BA and IB". They don't limit alcohol in Y class to beer and wine only.

Exactly. Flying LHR-MIA in January I single-handedly drank Y out of Bacardi. Talking to the crew I found out that one passenger had one, and then there was me...

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26):
AF even serves Champagne in Y class.

So does QF. Well Australian pinot-chardonay sparkling wine, but that's in line with QF's policy of *only* serving Australian wine.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:53 pm

Just got back a week ago on CO, NRT- IAH, did not get upgraded and they still charge $6 a drink.
UA has free booze on all it's transpac flgihts.
I was told the whole UA/CO charges on all transatlantic and south american flights.
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 24):
As far as I remember, DL never stopped serving beer and wine in Y on international routes.



Yes that's true. From what I remember through (pre-merger) you only got the free alcohol during meal service but that had since changed some years back to free beer and wine throughout the flight while supplies last of course! Not uncommon to run out of Heineken.
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:21 pm

I miss the days when Northwest Orient DC-10 flight attendants walked up and down the aisles with a bottle of champagne in each hand -- just waiting for someone to finish their plastic glass of wine.

Amazingly, the service was also done on MSP-to-west coast and MSP-to-Alaska flights DC-10 flights.  
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:31 pm

This is a really sad state of affairs that we, the flying public have found ourselves lumbered with!

Just a few years ago it was almost a gimme that when you get on an international flight with a reputable airline you would be entitled to a drink or two.

Now its big news when a US carrier decides to offer free drink! Give me a break!!!!

Paying for headphones, emergency exits are one thing we almost expect on the so called budget airlines but on well known established brands its just plain greedy!

This has never been the case on Asian airlines who are more than happy to refill a glass or two for you!

Why the difference in service from these airlines???

     
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 25):
Ehh, I was under the impression that on TATL flights, since it's int'l waters theoretically, you go by the minimal age requirement between the two countries. I.E. when I was under 21, but over 18, it was perfectly okay to be served on an ORDLHR flight, for example.

On US carriers you have to be 21. On European carriers you have to be 18. It goes by the carriers country law.
So if you're under 21 and wanna drink, go with a non US carrier  
But as far as carding goes on US carriers... i have flown nonrev since i was 8 and can honestly say i can count on 1 hand how many times ive been carded. And yes i have enjoyed a few beverages while under 21 on PA and DL..
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:31 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 24):
As far as I remember, DL never stopped serving beer and wine in Y on international routes. I have flown DL international since 2008 every year and have never come across a flight without complementary beer/wine in Y.

Prior to the merger DL charged, it was with the NW merger that they aligned their policies with NW's of free booze across the ocean. However, IIRC Pacific routes still charge for beer and wine.
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 35):

Prior to Delta's bk, beer and wine was free across the Atlantic and Pacific but they started charging as a cost savings measure.

And non-mixed drinks is in fact free across and through the pacific (including Interport flights).
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 33):
Paying for headphones, emergency exits are one thing we almost expect on the so called budget airlines but on well known established brands its just plain greedy!

It wasn't considered greedy in earlier years. When economy service was first introduced in the early 1950s and for many years thereafter, there was a charge for alcoholic drinks. It was agreed by all IATA member carriers. And when inflight movies were first introduced in the 1960s there was a headset rental charge, also covered by an IATA agreement.

A few carriers based in Southeast Asia (e.g. CX/MH/SQ) were opposed to such charges which was one reason they didn't become IATA members until much later. They were also opposed to IATA regulations affecting their dealings with travel agents.
 
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RE: AA To Offer Free Booze In Coach

Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:18 pm

The first thing one must do when the seatbelt signs go off is go grab a bottle of red to stick between your legs, til they bring the food out, so it's warm enough to drink!

BA aren't backwards in coming forwards with the booze either. Many times I've asked for a tin of beer and automatically been offered 2, even just been handed one from time to time without asking as the crew wander past once they've established I like a beer every so often. It does make a difference: you've spent 5 or 6 hundred quid on a ticket, to get a couple of beers "for free" just seems so much nicer than having to get your credit card out every 5 mins (well, maybe every ten mins!). It really would affect the choice between 2 airlines of similar price for me.

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