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Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:39 am

PIA allows 2 people to fly in the washroom because there were no seats!

Here is the link:


Link here only in Dutch

[Edited 2012-02-17 19:03:01]
 
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:56 am

It's almost like having their own private suite with running water.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 2):

Thanks for the link! I edited the original.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:13 am

While i couldn't read Dutch....i can honestly say sitting in the lav for a flight would almost sound like heaven compared to coach on some airlines.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:11 am

When my family and I flew to Tahiti on TN, there was a paying passenger on the right aft jumpseat - facing the lav door around a meter away.

Overbooking - she was not amused.
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:43 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 7):
When my family and I flew to Tahiti on TN, there was a paying passenger on the right aft jumpseat - facing the lav door around a meter away.

Overbooking - she was not amused.

I would be.

Then again, I'm on Airliners. Something tells me some would like to do it... I would, at least once.
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:36 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 8):
Then again, I'm on Airliners. Something tells me some would like to do it... I would, at least once.

I'd be keen!

Given a choice between sitting in the lavatory, or missing the flight, I might be inclined to take the lavatory, to be honest. In terms of safety, it's appalling (and shouldn't be allowed - as I'm sure it isn't), but as I say, all other things being equal, there's a fair chance I'd rather arrive on time than sit in some hotel or airport lounge waiting for the next flight, especially if it was a long wait for said flight.

That said, I see the flight was a domestic one between Karachi and Lahore, a route which has up to 16 frequencies daily on 4 airlines (according to Google) so these passengers really should have been accomodated on another flight.

[Edited 2012-02-17 23:38:12]
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:48 am

I was on an Aero Mexico flight from Tijuana to Puerto Vallarta in November of 1975 that was over sold and they put one person in a lav.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:57 am

My sister flew on Aero Mexico from LAX to ACA a long time ago. When they checked in and got seat allocation, the aircraft was a B722, but on getting aboard discovered that the aircraft was actually a B721 with a lot of rows missing at the back. The extra pax, which she was one, had to sit down on the floor for the flight.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:40 am

Now get me some AVOD in there & i'd be happy 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:08 am

Hopefully, the a/c had 3 lavs. Having both lavs occupied for the entire flight (granted only about 1 hr.) could be a nightmare.
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:26 am

Does'nt sound very safe.

AFAIK there are no belts in there, surely that it why the toilets are closed for TO and landing.

Think I would wait for the next flight.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:44 pm

Wonder if they had to vacate their "seat" whenever someone needed to use the lav.

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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:53 pm

Local air safety authorities may not do much unfortunately, but they should. This is against any and all moral and legal rules. What if there had been an emergency, severe turbulence or even a sick pax who needed access to the lav?

Too bad the pax who got these 'seats' didn't put up a big stink - as they should have - for being put there, but I guess in their situation (as in some countries) they would have arrested for interfering with a flight crew and preventing their travel. Perhaps it was a very heavy travel day with no space in any other flights within a reasonable time, perhaps these pax had to be at the destination for their job, or a funeral or wedding and played it too close to when they had to be there, perhaps too bad weather that day or a previous day made it impossible to fly when they could.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:53 pm

In the 1980s, flew from Gaborone to Johannesburg on an Air Botswana HS-748 (yes, the REAL 748!). The male F/A was on the 'throne' at the back with the door open. He announced where he was with the PA microphone in his hand. All of us at the back turned around, looked and laughed, while he though the had pressed the 'talk' button and told the whole plane.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:52 pm

I guess this is when padded toilet seats come in handy!!

I've noticed a lot of aviation articles are Dutch, is there a particular reason
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:06 pm

This would be extremely illegal in the US. Toilets are not certified for carrying passengers.

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 10):
My sister flew on Aero Mexico from LAX to ACA a long time ago. When they checked in and got seat allocation, the aircraft was a B722, but on getting aboard discovered that the aircraft was actually a B721 with a lot of rows missing at the back. The extra pax, which she was one, had to sit down on the floor for the flight.

AM never had 727s. Maybe it was MX, but I'd be shocked if either airline actually allowed this. It wouldn't shock me had it been any other shady Mexican airline, but certainly not MX or AM.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:14 pm

Prior to bankrupcy BRA Airlines in Brazil used to dispatch flights with FA standing to give their jumpseats to pax's! Only believed when two of them told me, and they accepted cause they were afraid of losing their jobs, in the end they did, sad but true!



PS- In Brazil this is illegal!
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):

PIA allows 2 people to fly in the washroom because there were no seats!

It sounds like flying used to be, in the really good ol' days when I was young.

Back in about 1953 (I was in my early teens), the pilots of Aden Airways took me on a flight to the Yemeni hinterland to deliver some cargo. It was a bare metal interior DC3.

We picked up three local passengers for the return. They simply squatted on the floor and half way through the flight one of them lit his Primus (kerosene) stove to make us all a nice cup of tea.  

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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:00 pm

well .. back in 1993 I was flying on AF B742 from CDG to MRU via SEZ . Being a NONREV got a jumpseat but did not actually realized that it was crew rest seat . After take off I was told to get up and walk for the remaining of the flight and I could return only for a landing in SEZ . After wandering on an aircraft for a few hours while everyone were asleep including most of the FA's I just went to one of WC's closed the lid and slept there for few more hours . Was terrible experience but at least I got to MRU together with my friends who just bought tickets on the same flight ... The only complaint I have that Cabin Crew were really rude to me and I also did not get anything to eat or drink for an 8 hour flight . The new crew who came onboard in SEZ for MRU leg were really nice and even allow me to seat in First class for the remaining of the flight which was only 4 hours or so . Just very funny to remember how I slept in the toilet ..
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 18):
AM never had 727s. Maybe it was MX, but I'd be shocked if either airline actually allowed this. It wouldn't shock me had it been any other shady Mexican airline, but certainly not MX or AM.

Probably was MX then, it was in the 1970's. She showed me the boarding pass and a pic of the aircraft which was a B721. She thought it was all part of the "adventure"  
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:18 pm

I was on an MX flight in the early 80's where there was at least 10 people without seats scattered around the 727.
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 23):
I was on an MX flight in the early 80's where there was at least 10 people without seats scattered around the 727.
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 10):
The extra pax, which she was one, had to sit down on the floor for the flight.

What would this have done for MTOW or centre of Gravity? Apart from the obvious issues no seatbelts, evacuation risk and general logistics of getting round the cabin, this sounds seriously suspect!?

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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:44 pm

Hope Michael O'leary doesn't get any ideas from this!
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:48 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 23):
What would this have done for MTOW or centre of Gravity? Apart from the obvious issues no seatbelts, evacuation risk and general logistics of getting round the cabin, this sounds seriously suspect!?

Sandyb123

Yes it does seem seriously suspect from a standpoint of the airlines. But that is how flying inside of Mexico was. The trip was from San Jose del Cabo to Matzatlan. Less than an hour flight. Other times I was on the flight there was large coolers and other various objects in the aisle.

[Edited 2012-02-19 01:51:36]
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:33 am

Until the 80th (and perhaps also in the 90th), TK was famous for pax standing and sitting in the aisle, on flights from Germany to Turkey in the summer time. These planes also were overloaded with excess baggage.

[Edited 2012-02-19 02:36:56]
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:48 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):

That is hilarious! Wonder if it happens somewhere in the world today.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:41 pm

When I was kid in the early 80s we got some charter flights for expats before christmas on CAAC from a random chinese town to Guangzhou, from which we continued to HK and then to Europe. I remember those charter flights being always oversold and they fitted whatever they could on colapsible chairs in the gallex or even at the back of the aisle.

Lately I've flown on LH from FRA to SIN. Some poor overbooked spanish guests had to sit on the aft jumpseats, with a big blanket from business class since it was so cold, eating the meal from the tablet without any table and staring to the lavatory door all flight... 13 hours or so...
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting reifel (Reply 28):

Lately I've flown on LH from FRA to SIN. Some poor overbooked spanish guests had to sit on the aft jumpseats, with a big blanket from business class since it was so cold, eating the meal from the tablet without any table and staring to the lavatory door all flight... 13 hours or so...

This was recently?! I didn't think pax sitting in jumpseat would ever be considered...or they would ever sell it as a revenue seat.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:53 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
When my family and I flew to Tahiti on TN, there was a paying passenger on the right aft jumpseat - facing the lav door around a meter away.

More than likely it was someone on staff travel that was offered the jump seat - I don;t know any airline that allows revenue pax to utilise a jumpseat.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:48 pm

I flew on the jump seat as an eight-year old on SK....in 1974.

I flew with my parents ARN-LLA (domestic in Sweden) and we were on AD75 tickets. I think we did not get on any of the flights that day and for the last flight I guess my parents really begged the gate agents. There was one seat left which my mom took with my four old sister as a lap child (!!!), I got the jump seat in the front and my dad got the jump seat in the back on the DC-9-41.

I had a great flight especially on take off where the angle of the nose was very steep.

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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 29):
This was recently?! I didn't think pax sitting in jumpseat would ever be considered...or they would ever sell it as a revenue seat.

Yes, this was in September 2010 on the FRA-SIN-CGK flight in a 744. Although I wouldn't guarantee for that I guess they were no nonrev passengers, since they rather looked like two young spanish backpacker girls than a crew member, LH or not   That said, who says that F/A's can't be backpacker on their own holidays?  
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 8):
I was on an Aero Mexico flight from Tijuana to Puerto Vallarta in November of 1975 that was over sold and they put one person in a lav.
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 9):
My sister flew on Aero Mexico from LAX to ACA a long time ago. When they checked in and got seat allocation, the aircraft was a B722, but on getting aboard discovered that the aircraft was actually a B721 with a lot of rows missing at the back. The extra pax, which she was one, had to sit down on the floor for the flight.

The flight from TIJ to PVR was a DC-9-30. It stopped in LaPaz on the Baja.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 33):
My sister flew on Aero Mexico from LAX to ACA a long time ago. When they checked in and got seat allocation, the aircraft was a B722, but on getting aboard discovered that the aircraft was actually a B721 with a lot of rows missing at the back. The extra pax, which she was one, had to sit down on the floor for the flight.

Come to think of it, AM didn't fly LAX-MEX nonstop or LAX-ACA, did they?. Wasn't that a Mexicana and Western route? Mexicana first had Comet 4C's and then 727's. AM only flew that route with multi stops like the flight I was on, i.e., LAX-TIJ-PVR-MZT-ACA.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 34):
Come to think of it, AM didn't fly LAX-MEX nonstop or LAX-ACA, did they?. Wasn't that a Mexicana and Western route? Mexicana first had Comet 4C's and then 727's. AM only flew that route with multi stops like the flight I was on, i.e., LAX-TIJ-PVR-MZT-ACA.

Someone up thread it was probably MX.She was just over twenty at the time and airline recognition was no that important. But stilling on the floor for a flight was something you never forget in a lifetime.
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:28 am

Having been a passenger victim to overbooking once, I'm happy I wasn't offered the lav! I was given a bump to business, and wasn't complaining!
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 8):

Would not recommend jump sets to anyone lol

I only only take them if it's a last resort when I'm flying non rev. (had to once do it SFO LHR, NOT pretty!!)
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:11 pm

Interesting to read these stories. Just last month (Jan 2012), I flew on a major United States airline from a major Asian city to a major USA city (I am not going to disclose the name of the airline nor the origin/destination cities as I do not wish for the crew to get in trouble).

Shortly before landing I got sick and began vomiting (definitely not airsickness...probably just upset stomach, and no I did not have the fish :P) and a F/A escorted me to a lav, where I proceeded to puke my brains out. However, while in the lav, the aircraft landed and proceeded to the gate normally. I did not know the aircraft was going to land until I felt/heard the landing gear drop, and then I just sat down and held on to the bar next to the toilet. I waited until all pax had exited and when I exited the lav, the F/A just said "Oh, I forgot you were in there". I then went to my seat, used some sanitizer wipes and paper towels to try to clean up some of the barf I left on the cabin wall, collected my belongings, and went on my merry, woozy, jetlagged way.

How serious of a safety violation is this? I certainly understand the importance of having the lavs off-limits during takeoff and landing, and the important safety issues, however, I am very grateful to the cabin crew, since I was in no condition to remain in the cabin with other pax given my vomiting, and I also did not want to be responsible for delaying the arrival of a transpac long haul flight simply because of an upset stomach.

I still don't know what made me sick. This was the first time I have ever gotten sick on a flight, and I did not feel sick before I vomited. I just remember sitting in my window seat, feeling normal, and looking out the window, as I have so many dozens of times before. I simply felt like I was going to burp (we had a meal service an hour or so before landing), but what came out was of the solid/liquid persuasion!
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting B2468 (Reply 38):
How serious of a safety violation is this? I certainly understand the importance of having the lavs off-limits during takeoff and landing, and the important safety issues, however, I am very grateful to the cabin crew, since I was in no condition to remain in the cabin with other pax given my vomiting, and I also did not want to be responsible for delaying the arrival of a transpac long haul flight simply because of an upset stomach.

This is indeed strange. On every airline I fly I recall f/a's checkin nobody in the lavs and locking them for departure and landing...
 
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RE: Oversold! 2 Pax Allowed To Fly In Washroom On PIA

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 17):
AM never had 727s. Maybe it was MX, but I'd be shocked if either airline actually allowed this. It wouldn't shock me had it been any other shady Mexican airline, but certainly not MX or AM.

I can assure you it happened. I saw it, and I don't make things up. That AM domestic operation was really something to watch. I lived in Southern California at the time and an Orange County group booked the trip through a travel agent I knew and wanted to save money so they took a bus from Dana Point to TIJ and flew from there, rather than going to LAX. I drove to TIJ and parked at the airport.

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