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N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:04 am

Southwest Airlines first ever Boeing 737-8H4! Courtsey of Boeing and the Southwest ELP Facebook Page

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:07 am

Is there something written over the 2R door or is it a reflection?
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:09 am

Note the "ETOPS" markings on the nose gear door.

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:36 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 1):

Is there something written over the 2R door or is it a reflection?

It looks like it says "eperimental". I think aircraft makers put that before it is inspected, correct me if I'm wrong. just my   
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:59 am

I saw this airplane in the paint shop at Renton the other day on my way home from work. The "experimental" ticket is only valid for the flight "over the hill"...between Renton and BFI.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:10 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
It looks like it says "eperimental

On closer inspection, it looks like "8301 ETOPS".....Just like the nosegear door. Anyone else agree?
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:31 am

Beauty! Nice to see a brand-new airplane come out in bold color! An ETOPS 738 for WN - a sign of progress.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 5):
On closer inspection, it looks like "8301 ETOPS".....Just like the nosegear door. Anyone else agree?

I agree. That's what it looks like to me.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:33 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 5):
On closer inspection, it looks like "8301 ETOPS".....Just like the nosegear door. Anyone else agree?

Looks like it might... But it strikes me as an odd thing to do, given the rego right next to the door...
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:46 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 5):
On closer inspection, it looks like "8301 ETOPS".....Just like the nosegear door. Anyone else agree?

That is correct. WN will begin adding fin# to their fleet. On the nose wheel doors and between aft doors and the USA flag.
The numbers may not reflect the registration numbers when FL aircraft become WN.

Personally I think they should place it on the very top of the vertical stabilizer like foreign carriers do.

[Edited 2012-02-17 22:52:53]
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:37 am

...............................ETOPS....................
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:43 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 7):
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 5):
On closer inspection, it looks like "8301 ETOPS".....Just like the nosegear door. Anyone else agree?

Looks like it might... But it strikes me as an odd thing to do, given the rego right next to the door...

For now, nose numbers and tail numbers will match. That's to give WN employees some time to get used to the new idea of having nose numbers. Later, the permanent nose numbers will be attached and will be different than tail numbers. N8301J will have a tail number of "8301" and a nose number of "4301" (I think).

LOVE the WN -800!!!
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:25 am

That looks great!!! I think it's one of the best liveries to grace the 737-800.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am

Earlier this morning, some photos of N8301J were posted of it entering the paint facility last night. Then came this thread with these pics. Looks like it took @ 24hrs to paint. Is that about normal?
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:40 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 10):
For now, nose numbers and tail numbers will match. That's to give WN employees some time to get used to the new idea of having nose numbers. Later, the permanent nose numbers will be attached and will be different than tail numbers. N8301J will have a tail number of "8301" and a nose number of "4301" (I think).

Ah, okay thanks for that... Makes sense now  
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:22 pm

My friends have said that BWI will be one of the first cities to see the 8H4's - for their LGA service.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting FI642 (Reply 14):
My friends have said that BWI will be one of the first cities to see the 8H4's - for their LGA service.

It is possible it might be used for BWI-LGA but right now...

First Revenue Date
April 11th, MDW-FLL Flight 1717 for the 737-800

Soon it will become both MDW and BWI based to do Florida Runs, West Coast, and Trans Cons.

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 12):


Earlier this morning, some photos of N8301J were posted of it entering the paint facility last night. Then came this thread with these pics. Looks like it took @ 24hrs to paint. Is that about normal?

No it is 3-4 days for a typical 737.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:17 pm

As of now, they are not scheduled for LGA or EWR service. They'll have 5 by the end of April and 33 by the end of the year.

I'm guessing at some point one of the ETOPS -800's will be taken out of revenue service to do ETOPS proving runs?
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:00 pm

Now, that's a sexy-looking 738!!   I think it looks better in the WN livery than the 73G does.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):

Now that the text above door 2R been shown to not be "experimental" in subsequent posts, I'm still curious about your statement. Are you saying that aircraft are technically "experimental" on first (and maybe subsequent, pre-delivery) flights?

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 17):

Are ETOPS proving runs still necessary at this point in the 738's history?
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting western727 (Reply 18):

Now, that's a sexy-looking 738!! I think it looks better in the WN livery than the 73G does.

Am I missing something? To me, it looks absolutely identical to the -700, only 19 feet longer. WN's marketing people could have simply re-used all the -700 images for the recent press, and I doubt even 1% of their audience would know!
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 19):

You're absolultey right, it's pretty much the same paint job...it's merely a matter of opinion. WN's livery I think looks nicer in the 738's proportions...notably the "smaller" (in proportion) vert stab of the 738. Sure, less than 1% of the audience would notice...if even 1/4 of that.  
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:18 pm

The first 5 cities to see the 737-800 were announced as MDW, BWI, FLL, RSW and PHL.

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:25 pm

Wiil WN schedule a logner turn around time to get the additional passengers on/off?

Also does anyone know if they have toyed with the idea of double jet bridges or is that too difficult with a single level plane?
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting N211BW (Reply 8):
Personally I think they should place it on the very top of the vertical stabilizer like foreign carriers do.

Most carriers have the ship identification on the nosewheel doors as well as the top of the vertical stabilizer.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:37 pm

Quoting western727 (Reply 18):

Are ETOPS proving runs still necessary at this point in the 738's history?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but ETOPS is not necessarily for the 737-800 specifically, but for the Airline, Southwest in this case to prove THEIR ETOPS capability using the 737-800 aircraft.

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 24):
Quoting western727 (Reply 18):

Are ETOPS proving runs still necessary at this point in the 738's history?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but ETOPS is not necessarily for the 737-800 specifically, but for the Airline, Southwest in this case to prove THEIR ETOPS capability using the 737-800 aircraft.

Right. The -800 has been around for almost 15 years. It's absolutely a proven airplane for any mission. However, WN has never used it for long overwater routes. So the ETOPS process will be for certifying SOUTHWEST and not the -800. Even if WN got the 777 tomorrow, WN would still have to go through the ETOPS process if that were the first time they'd do overwater routes.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:07 pm

ETOPS is written on the gear doors so that the ground and air staff know to treat that aircraft as an ETOPS qualified aircraft. It requires special mandatory maintenance and other servicing procedures to ensure operational safety during an ETOPS flight. These special procedures and requirements must be followed even during non-ETOPS flt ops to make certain the aircraft is kept airworthy for an eventual ETOPS flight. The extra operational procedures cost additional money so an operator would not do this unless they intend to operate the aircraft in ETOPS.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:14 pm

Forgive my cynicism but wow! Another picture of a Southwest 737!
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:34 pm

That looks weird. I'm used to stubby WN planes. I'm sure I'll get used to it pretty quick, though...
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 17):
Now, that's a sexy-looking 738!! I think it looks better in the WN livery than the 73G does.
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 19):
Am I missing something? To me, it looks absolutely identical to the -700, only 19 feet longer. WN's marketing people could have simply re-used all the -700 images for the recent press, and I doubt even 1% of their audience would know!
Quoting western727 (Reply 20):
You're absolultey right, it's pretty much the same paint job...it's merely a matter of opinion. WN's livery I think looks nicer in the 738's proportions...notably the "smaller" (in proportion) vert stab of the 738. Sure, less than 1% of the audience would notice...if even 1/4 of that.



Honestly, I don't think these photos are a great representation of what the livery looks like on the -800. These were taken with an ultra wide-angle lens so there is a lot of distortion that exaggerates the proportions.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:47 pm

Good looking ship - really sits well in Southwest colours!!!

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 23):
Wiil WN schedule a logner turn around time to get the additional passengers on/off?

Also does anyone know if they have toyed with the idea of double jet bridges or is that too difficult with a single level plane?

Ryanair turnaround their 738s in 20 minutes or less so I don't think Southwest would really need to add in extra time. I guess also FR will also pack in more seats than Southwest will in a 738.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:08 pm

Quoting adg737800 (Reply 30):
Ryanair turnaround their 738s in 20 minutes or less so I don't think Southwest would really need to add in extra time. I guess also FR will also pack in more seats than Southwest will in a 738.

With the crazy baggage numbers at WN right now thanks to the free bag campaign, they will either need to add staffing or add time to the turn around for the -800s. We can't even turn a -700 in under 20 minutes these days...

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 31):

With the crazy baggage numbers at WN right now thanks to the free bag campaign, they will either need to add staffing or add time to the turn around for the -800s. We can't even turn a -700 in under 20 minutes these days...

I sure hope additional staffing at the least happens!

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 27):
Forgive my cynicism but wow! Another picture of a Southwest 737!

I gotta kick outta reading that. But it is 19 more feet to LUV
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:31 am

Are these additional aircraft or are they replacing the 300s and 500s as they are delivered?
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:31 am

Wow,that looks amazing
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:35 am

CONGRATULATIONS to both parties, WN and Boeing! This is fantastic This will lead to great things to come for WN including expansion and most likely Hawaii. the -800 looks great in the WN paint scheme. When did WN receive their ETOPS?

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting quickmover (Reply 33):
Are these additional aircraft or are they replacing the 300s and 500s as they are delivered?

Yes..No...it's not really aircraft type specific. -300's will be retired..-700's will fill in..then you have -800's that are theoretically to replace the -500's..but then FL's 73G's will be sent in to be retrofitted and something has to replace that while it is being worked on. It's quite a circumnavigation of "shuffle the planes". Truthfully, the -800 will not be a DIRECT replacement of a specific aircraft type or aircraft but more so to aid in the rotation among the different 737's as they are retired, worked on, retrofitted...on and on.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 35):
When did WN receive their ETOPS?

They haven't yet, WN is working on that right now.

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting western727 (Reply 20):
WN's livery I think looks nicer in the 738's proportions...notably the "smaller" (in proportion) vert stab of the 738.

Ah, gotcha.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:40 am

Will their 800s be Telair equipped? If not, they will need an extra person because nobody is turning an 8 in 20 minutes.
I'd love to see that one. Over a 100 or so bags plus freight and mail. Ain't happening.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:40 am

Quoting adg737800 (Reply 30):
Ryanair turnaround their 738s in 20 minutes or less so I don't think Southwest would really need to add in extra time. I guess also FR will also pack in more seats than Southwest will in a 738.


Doesn't FR use dual airstairs for some operations? WN will exclusively use a single jetway.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting T5towbar (Reply 38):
Will their 800s be Telair equipped? If not, they will need an extra person because nobody is turning an 8 in 20 minutes.
I'd love to see that one. Over a 100 or so bags plus freight and mail. Ain't happening.


For ground operations the -800s will be equipped just like the -700s. As for 20 minute turns I can't remember the last time I was scheduled for one of those. The next trip I'm doing is a 4 day with 11 legs. Only 1 turn is 30 minutes, the others are all scheduled for 35 or 40 minutes. There should be no problem turning a -800 in 30-40 minutes and that appears to be becoming a normal WN turn.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:27 am

Turn times for all 800 lines are 45 minutes on domestic lines. When international and Etops flying start turn times will be 1hour. Enjoy wnfg.
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:52 am

Ironic that they could of kept all of those ATA 737-800s several years ago.
Wonder what the thinking was at the time, letting those aircraft go back to the owners.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting quickmover (Reply 42):
Ironic that they could of kept all of those ATA 737-800s several years ago.
Wonder what the thinking was at the time, letting those aircraft go back to the owners.

I don't think WN had any ownership over ATA at the time of their shut down, just a codeshare. Before that they only held about a 30% stake, they never majority owned the company, so WN couldn't just dictate what happened to the 738s.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:09 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 41):
Turn times for all 800 lines are 45 minutes on domestic lines. When international and Etops flying start turn times will be 1hour.

Any source on that info?
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:15 am

Wow::: I am a proud WN mech.. This will be a great addition to our fleet as will the Max. I haven't had the chance to go to technical training on the 800 yet but I've been reading everything I can about the new AC pack systems and various differences. I work line maint. but in DAL we will be seeing these on a very limited basis (read hardly at all) for some time to come.

Some want to burst our bubble but I think travelers are going to be impressed. Our new seats with the Sky interior..great combo. I think.

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:25 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 44):
Any source on that info?

I think that is a source.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:04 am

Big deal, call me when they paint a 717.
 
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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:10 am

Coming from a self-proclaimed WN basher, the WN livery has never looked better on any of their aircraft.

Simply gorgeous!

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RE: N8301J Southwest 737-800 (PICS)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:23 am

Quoting T5towbar (Reply 38):
Will their 800s be Telair equipped? If not, they will need an extra person because nobody is turning an 8 in 20 minutes.
I'd love to see that one. Over a 100 or so bags plus freight and mail. Ain't happening.

There's a trade-off with having a majic carpet. On the plus side, you load the a/c much faster and only require one person in the bin. On the negative is the added weight. DL installed majic carpets on the 75Xs back when they were SONG to compete with JetBlue's turns and most PMNW 752s has carpets and all the 753s has it (basically a must). DL's older 738s had the majic carpet system but they were all removed some years back and at some point new deliveries came without them. With that said, does anyone know if WN opted for them?

Quoting frontierflyer (Reply 47):
Big deal, call me when they paint a 717.

Same thing i'm saying!! Now that would be one sexy beast.
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