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Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:31 pm

UA/CO to start Daily Newark to Istanbul In July

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...a-istanbul-service-from-july-2012/

[Edited 2012-02-21 04:37:11]
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:45 pm

The link says :

"UNITED starting 01JUL12 is launching service to Turkey, with Daily Newark – Istanbul service on board UNITED 3-class Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. Including Star Alliance partner Turkish Airlines’ service, Star will offer a total of 4 Daily flights between New York area and Istanbul (July – Sep 2012 only)."

So is it UA doing EWR-IST summer-only, or is that TK ?

Either way, congrats UA/CO. This one was definitely long overdue. Glad they're filling in the gaps quickly (EZE... IST...) ... is GIG next ?
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:46 pm

Pitty. I really don't like the interiors of UA's 767-300's. Old looking, no AVOD or wifi.....
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:51 pm

This is why TK went for a further JFK flight then!
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:53 pm

Nice addition, this was one of the pieces missing from CO's trans-Atlantic network from EWR. IST, VCE and DME.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:05 pm

This is great news. It's somewhat a substitute to EWR-ATH.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:10 pm

Great news, this is the first time we will see two USA-based tails in IST I believe. But I wonder if IST-NYC can sustain 5 dailies (although I assume TK reverts back to twice daily in winter season so that will be 4 dailies)... It was just 2 dailies (TK and DL) only 2 years ago.

Congrats to UA... So far the world's largest airline had been lacking from a top 30 airport  
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:21 pm

Great.. Wonderful to see. The Istanbul-USA market has really taken off! The turnaround time in IST is not very long however, and with this being a peak departure time at EWR, it will be tight in the case of a delay. I wonder whether they got the EWR slot from someone else, or dropped a domestic flight at this same time.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):
this is the first time we will see two USA-based tails in IST

Both TWA and Pan Am flew to IST at the same time in the late 80s....
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:42 pm

What about connections for the return flight? Is there a bank of domestic departures around 19:30-20:00 from EWR? And I am guessing those would have to be regionals since a transcontinental at that hour or later would arrive very early next morning. Otherwise the IST-EWR flight is purely O&D.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:42 pm

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 8):
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):
this is the first time we will see two USA-based tails in IST

Both TWA and Pan Am flew to IST at the same time in the late 80s....

Yes.. I flew PA to to ESB via IST and FRA. Those were the days. Having another US carrier in Turkey is long overdue.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 8):

Both TWA and Pan Am flew to IST at the same time in the late 80s....

I was wondering TWA as I typed that line, but for some reason I thought they didn't... Thanks for the correction  

Now we need US - I guess AA is out of the question for now  
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:25 pm

Another fantastic add for United! On a 763 no less too. I would have guessed 762 or 764. I guess they are all tied up at the moment.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:36 pm

lots of turkish and middle easterners in north jersey- specifically in the Paterson area will be happy about this, the first real* nonstop north jersey - middle east link aside from TLV?

long overdue


* (i think malaysian offered EWR-DXB a couple of times weekly at some point in the past & qatar operated via GVA)
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
This is great news. It's somewhat a substitute to EWR-ATH.

I'd say it's far better than Athens, honestly. No only does Turkey seem to be growing as a tourist destination on a daily basis (Europeans always knew about it, but Americans/Canadians are finally getting onboard), but unlike Greece, the Turkish economy isn't in the dump, meaning they could get some OK business traffic as well (less than a year ago, The Economist ran an article saying that the Turkish economy actually should cool DOWN a bit, lest they get too big for their britches). Win-win, I say.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):
Old looking, no AVOD or wifi....

Not up front where it *really* matters. It's got PTV's at least.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:51 pm

Great news! Amazing that IST will have TK's 3 flights to JFK, plus this new United service to EWR! And that's just Star Alliance!

Very interesting that they are putting a 3-class 763 on this route. If it was going to be a 763, I would have expected a 2-class 763. Perhaps this will set the precedent for more 767 service to the Middle East (I'm thinking IAD-TLV...)

So all this leaves missing from EWR these days is GIG and ICN as far as global cities go...Anything else I'm missing?!

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
It's somewhat a substitute to EWR-ATH.

Was EWR-ATH cancelled?
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:53 pm

Not sure if UA can launch GIG from EWR. If they did perhaps it would be a tag on.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 14):

I agree. ATH didn't do so hot for CO when they operated it seasonally with the 762 over the last few years. Honestly I think this route was way overdue. CO didn't have the widebody metal to properly operate this route, I suppose. Good to see UA thinking outside of the box.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):

Who cares? They at least have PTVs in Y and it's a 3 class bird.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 9):

the return flight should be fine as the night bank of departures offers connections to mostly anywhere in the eastern half of the US. while LAX and SFO won't work, i think they will do fine with the combination of NYC / NJ O/D + conections to places like MIA, ORD, IAH, DTW, BOS, MCO, DCA ect.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):
ATH didn't do so hot for CO when they operated it seasonally with the 762 over the last few years.

ATH performed a lot like FCO: seasonally strong loads and decent yields, but traffic fell off a cliff in the offseason. It was slated to go year round last year with 764 in the summer and 762 in the winter, but the Greek economic crisis, political instability and fuel prices torpedoed this one. Like CAI, I expect to see it back once things stabilize in a few years or so.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):
Good to see UA thinking outside of the box.

A 183-seat 763ER route from the world's largest airline's biggest transatlantic hub to a *A partner hub undergoing explosive growth is a pretty safe bet, IMO.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 16):
So all this leaves missing from EWR these days is GIG and ICN as far as global cities go...Anything else I'm missing?!

DME, VCE
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):
Pitty. I really don't like the interiors of UA's 767-300's. Old looking, no AVOD or wifi.....

Yes, but as noted PTVs and the 767 being the most comfortable ride with the 2-3-2 layout, I will take it any day...plus, I think UA is a far superior airline to TK, IMHO and experience.

The connections to the entire Middle East on the IST end will be fantastic!
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
Nice addition, this was one of the pieces missing from CO's trans-Atlantic network from EWR. IST, VCE and DME.

NCE would be nice too.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 16):
So all this leaves missing from EWR these days is GIG and ICN as far as global cities go...Anything else I'm missing?!

DME, VCE

Yes. And don't forget Jo'burg, and SYD (but it's out of range)

I guess with the timing back in EWR, they aren't trying to serve west coast connections.

When I flew DL to IST many years ago, there were many many west coast connections. So the flight was timed to leave JFK earlier to IST, and land back in JFK at 4 pm the next day.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 19):
ATH performed a lot like FCO: seasonally strong loads and decent yields, but traffic fell off a cliff in the offseason. It was slated to go year round last year with 764 in the summer and 762 in the winter, but the Greek economic crisis, political instability and fuel prices torpedoed this one. Like CAI, I expect to see it back once things stabilize in a few years or so.

Ah, I see. Always wondered what the deal was with EWR-ATH and why it didn't work out -- considering DL still operates it from Kennedy. I guess you can't always print money on every route out of that airport (although it seems like in most cases you actually can.)

I do wonder how much premium demand EWR-FCO has to say EWR-MXP? FCO probably has the Y demand during the summer for a 744, but not from a F and J perspective. MXP could probably be bumped up to a 3 class 763 if there is premium demand.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 23):

would love to see J'burg from EWR but I don't think a 777-224ER could make it.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:53 pm

Will this be served by IAD crews on UA metal? I'd much prefer CO crews on 752s if that plan could make it. Thoughts?
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:55 pm

I think between 3 daily TK flights at JFK, DL at JFK, and UA at EWR, this route is going to be a bloodbath this summer.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but that is the realist in me. Good Luck to all. I suspect in the end, you will see DL (which has flown the route since PA) and TK back down to 2 flights.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
DME, VCE

Vienna is another missing dot. Perhaps star can convince Austrian to start flying to EWR.

EWR-NCE and/or VCE would be a nice 762 route for the summer.

Could UA start EWR-DME in addition to IAD-DME? I'd imagine IAD-DME does quite well for them.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:19 pm

Does anyone know what was the schedule of the Atlanta Istanbul flights Delta operated in the 1990s ?
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 25):
Will this be served by IAD crews on UA metal? I'd much prefer CO crews on 752s if that plan could make it. Thoughts?

I don't think a 752 can come anywhere near IST range from EWR. As far as crew, I am thinking is probably CO since it's EWR, but I could be wrong. Perhaps UA pilots. Is UA training CO 762 pilots on the 763?


This is a great route for United. Star Alliance hub or not, IST is become a big tourist destination for Americans. The city really is a jewel! I'm so glad to see this route start.

Sydney and Melbourne are already covered from LAX. But as far as global cities, I'd love to see ICN added from either IAH or EWR. I'm actually surprised KE doesn't serve ICN already.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):

Pitty. I really don't like the interiors of UA's 767-300's. Old looking, no AVOD or wifi.....
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):

Who cares? They at least have PTVs in Y and it's a 3 class bird.

So do these birds have PTVs in Y or not?? Or do they have Non-AVOD PTVs??
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 30):

So do these birds have PTVs in Y or not?? Or do they have Non-AVOD PTVs??

PTVs in all classes. First and Business are AVOD, Economy are the older system using channels and repeating movies, but not AVOD.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 30):
So do these birds have PTVs in Y or not?? Or do they have Non-AVOD PTVs??

Non AVOD PTVs are installed.

Great additional route for UA
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 32):

Yes they are just like the type of PTV that are on the CO 762, and non reconfigured 764s -- except with a slightly smaller screen. They also have a moving map.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:39 pm

Press release is out. It will start out a 3 class 763, then change over to a 2-class 763 in late August.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/UNITED...TRODUCE-prnews-2553409462.html?x=0

As for crews, they'll all be United crews for the time being.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 21):
I think UA is a far superior airline to TK, IMHO and experience.

I am really keen to hear about your experiences... It's pretty much a fact that, from a pax point of view, TK is one of the best airlines in the world...
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 25):
Will this be served by IAD crews on UA metal? I'd much prefer CO crews on 752s if that plan could make it. Thoughts?

Since it's a 3 class bird you know it has to be UA crew.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 33):
Yes they are just like the type of PTV that are on the CO 762, and non reconfigured 764s -- except with a slightly smaller screen. They also have a moving map.


When the 763s are refurbished, will they still only have PTVs in the main cabin or will AVOD be installed?
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 35):
I am really keen to hear about your experiences... It's pretty much a fact that, from a pax point of view, TK is one of the best airlines in the world...

Well, calling TK one of the best airlines in the world would be an overstatement. But TK certainly offers a far superior hard and soft product than UA or DL to the U.S.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 38):
Well, calling TK one of the best airlines in the world would be an overstatement. But TK certainly offers a far superior hard and soft product than UA or DL to the U.S.

Turkish "first" class, called business on their birds:

http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-us...ment-seat-cip-lounge#BusinessClass

United First class on these birds is far superior to TK's biz.:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,53247,00.html

United Business Class on these birds is equivalent to (if not better than) TK's top offering:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,1935,00.html

Let's look at the facts before you say that TK's hard product is "Far Superior". I've never flown TK so I cannot debate the soft product, but it's obvious you're biased about the hard product.

[Edited 2012-02-21 08:53:18]
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 27):
Vienna is another missing dot. Perhaps star can convince Austrian to start flying to EWR.

I continue to be befuddled as to why OS flies to JFK over EWR. It seems like such an easy choice.

A lot of my friends love NYC, but for those of us who fly OS, often times I end up on the IAD flight for connectivity. They offered me a 2hr EWR-JFK connection and I paid the extra 100€ to connect through IAD.

[Edited 2012-02-21 09:13:26]
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 39):
Let's look at the facts before you say that TK's hard product is "Far Superior". I've never flown TK so I cannot debate the soft product, but it's obvious you're biased about the hard product.

I think you should fly TK first; before making any conclusions based on photos.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):
Not sure if UA can launch GIG from EWR. If they did perhaps it would be a tag on.

IAD-GRU-GIG already serves that purpose. It's possible to fly ORD/IAD/EWR-GRU then GRU-GIG on United metal. Effective March 25th, everything will be synchronised.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 16):
Was EWR-ATH cancelled?

Yes, it was.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 34):
then change over to a 2-class 763 in late August.

I guess it's the time that will take to convert enough 763 to international 2-class configuration.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 37):
When the 763s are refurbished, will they still only have PTVs in the main cabin or will AVOD be installed?

The 767-300s that are being reconfigured from domestic to two class international will have AVOD.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 37):

I don't think UA has plans to upgrade the legacy 763s to AVOD. They are supposedly slated for retirement once the 787 deliveries are in full swing. As of right now though, they are here to stay with no upgrades. They have a very important role within the combined fleet.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 34):
2-class 763 in late August.

It looks like this may be one of the first routes that will receive one of the newly upgraded (formerly domestic) 2-class 763s! I wonder if IAH-LIM will be first to be upgraded since that plane (pre-upgrade) is already being used on that route??

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 37):
When the 763s are refurbished, will they still only have PTVs in the main cabin or will AVOD be installed?

The international 763s completed the upgrade 1-2 years ago and but they did not get a PTV upgrade in Y. I am assuming you are asking about the domestic 763s which have monitors above the aisles? I don't think we know yet what the Y upgrade will be for these planes???
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
So is it UA doing EWR-IST summer-only, or is that TK ?

On AirlinerRoutes, it seems the 3rd daily on TK is summer only flight. Others have mentioned that the new UA flight will go from a 3-class 763 to a 2-class 763 later on in the year.

Very exciting! Wish TK would start services to IAH!
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:32 pm

Congratulations to UA/CO and IST, long long overdue!!
Someone talked about a bloodbath this summer between these airlines.
I have a price alert for NYC-IST for mid september, it went down $54 today.
Guess why, UA flight is the cheapest at $710 RT.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 35):
I am really keen to hear about your experiences... It's pretty much a fact that, from a pax point of view, TK is one of the best airlines in the world...

Happy to share as in general I enjoyed my experience on TK but when compared to other airlines I have flown like SQ and NH, I wouldn't put UA or TK in "one of the best" categories...

In September 2009 I flew ORD-IST-ORD on UA miles in Y an had a great experience.

I also flew:

IST-AYT on TK

AYT-SAW on SunExpress
SAW-BJV on Anadolu Jet

ADB-IST on TK
IST-ASR on TK

ASR-IST on TK

In general the domestic TK flights were all great with food offered on every flight. (More food than I needed...)

Although I didn't fly in business, I don't think you can really call TK's domestic business, business...that goes for most EU airlines as well but that is a topic for another thread.

The reservation process online was extremely clumsy and so I had to call to get the flights I wanted...they were very nice on the phone but I was left with an uncomfortable feeling that something wasn't right with my reservation.

The tickets on SunExpress and Anadolu Jet were sold by TK and the on board experience was much the same...but the connection at SAW was horrible. The connection was offered on the website and confirmed when I spoke to reservations on the phone but we had to collect our bags in SAW and recheck them. Our first flight was delayed so we were afraid we would miss our connection so I sent my wife ahead to the gate while I waited for the bags. I don't think we were able to find monitors or maybe the flight wasn't shown on the monitors so we had to ask which gate...but we were both sent to different gates...and then we independently discovered that we were both at the wrong gate and trying to run around the airport to find each other, no one seemed to know anything...it was a very frustrating experience...we ended up making our flight only because it was very delayed also...
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 46):

Very exciting! Wish TK would start services to IAH!

Probably not until 2013 the earliest.

Quoting tcm (Reply 41):
I think you should fly TK first; before making any conclusions based on photos.

  

It is rather odd to hear that UA has better service than TK. In fact, TK service is usually better than European legacies like BA / AF / LH, which are in turn considered a notch above UA / DL / AA.