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OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:25 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

5H LWA-NYK MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0

AA DFW-BZE APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-GRK APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
AA DFW-SAF APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
AA DFW-SAL APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.5
AA DFW-SJD MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
AA JFK-DCA JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA JFK-YYZ JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA MIA-FPO JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA MIA-GGT APR 1.3>1.1 MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.3>1.2
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-BNA APR 10>8 MAY 10>8
AA SJU-DOM APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.3>1.0

AC ABE-YYZ APR 1.6>1.4
AC ALB-YYZ APR 1.7>1.6
AC CVG-YYZ APR 1.7>1.4
AC DCA-YOW APR 2>1.9
AC DCA-YYZ APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AC FLL-YUL APR 4>3
AC GRR-YYZ APR 1.7>1.6
AC LAX-YUL APR 1.9>1.5
AC LAX-YYZ JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
AC MDT-YYZ APR 1.9>1.7
AC MKE-YYZ APR 1.7>1.5
AC PDX-YYZ APR 1.0>0.7
AC SFO-YYZ OCT 4>5

AF MIA-PAP JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0

AM FAT-GDL APR 0.7>0.5
AM LAS-MTY APR 0.6>0.4
AM LAX-GDL APR 3>2
AM MCO-MEX JUN 1.5>1.8 JUL 1.4>3 AUG 1.4>1.8
AM MIA-MEX APR 4>5
AM ORD-CUN MAR 0.6>0.2
AM ORD-MEX APR 1.9>1.7

AS ANC-HNL AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
AS BLI-HNL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6
AS HNL-ANC AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
AS SEA-JNU SEP 5>4
AS SEA-SIT SEP 0.1>0.3

*AV JFK-MDE JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.5
AV MIA-BOG MAR 2>3

Note that changes in SEP/OCT are blurred by partial month schedules in SEP last week and partial month schedules in OCT this week.
*B6 BOS-ACK JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>0.9 SEP 0.1>0.7 OCT 0>0.7
B6 BOS-CUN JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.3>0.1 SEP 0.0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
*B6 BOS-DCA JUN 7>9 JUL 7>10 AUG 7>10 SEP 0.9>10 OCT 0>9
*B6 BOS-IAD JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 0.5>3 OCT 0>3
B6 BOS-PUJ JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.4 SEP 0.0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
*B6 DCA-TPA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*B6 FLL-DCA JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3 SEP 0.1>3 OCT 0>3
*B6 FLL-IAD JUN 1.7>0.6 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
B6 FLL-LGA JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 0.7>6 OCT 0>6
B6 JFK-CLT JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.4>3 OCT 0>3
B6 JFK-FLL JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7 SEP 1.1>7 OCT 0>6
B6 JFK-MBJ MAY 1.4>1.2 SEP 0.3>1.1 OCT 0>0.9
B6 JFK-RDU JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.4>3 OCT 0>3
B6 JFK-STI JUN 6>7 SEP 0.9>5 OCT 0>4
B6 JFK-UVF MAY 0.7>0.5 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0 SEP 0.1>0.5 OCT 0>0.4
*B6 LGA-PBI JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 0.1>2 OCT 0>1.7
*B6 LGA-RSW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*B6 LGA-SRQ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*B6 LGA-TPA JUN 0>1.3 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>1.7
*B6 LGB-IAD JUN 2>1.3 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 0.3>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 LGB-OAK MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 0.4>3 OCT 0>3
*B6 MCO-DCA JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3 SEP 0.1>3 OCT 0>3
*B6 MCO-IAD JUN 2>0.7 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
B6 MCO-JFK JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10 SEP 1.4>9 OCT 0>8
B6 MCO-LGA JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 0.4>4 OCT 0>4

CO CLE-ATL JUN 4>3 JUL 5>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>1.9 OCT 4>3
CO CLE-CLT JUL 4>3
CO CLE-CMH JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
CO CLE-PIT JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
CO CLE-STL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
CO DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO EWR-BTV JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
CO EWR-EDI JUL 2>1.8 AUG 2>1.9 OCT 1.5>1.0
CO EWR-GRR JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
CO EWR-IND JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
CO EWR-MDT JUL 3>2
CO EWR-SAV JUN 4>3 JUL 3>2
CO EWR-SNN JUL 1.7>1.2 AUG 1.6>1.1
CO EWR-XNA JUL 1.6>0.7 AUG 1.6>0.9
CO EYW-FLL MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
CO EYW-TPA MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
CO FLL-ASD JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.1>0 SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
CO FLL-ELH APR 1.3>1.8 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3 JUL 1.3>3 AUG 1.3>3 SEP 1.3>3 OCT 1.3>3
CO FLL-TCB APR 1.3>1.9 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3 JUL 1.3>3 AUG 1.3>3 SEP 1.3>3 OCT 1.3>3
CO GNV-MCO MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO GNV-TPA APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7
CO IAD-CDG JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2.0>1.1
CO IAH-CMH JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
CO IAH-CRP JUL 9>8
CO IAH-GSP JUL 3>1.9 AUG 3>2
CO IAH-MCI JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9 AUG 10>9
CO IAH-OKC JUN 8>9 JUL 9>10 AUG 8>9
CO IAH-RSW JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>2
CO IAH-TUS JUL 4>3
CO IAH-XNA JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
CO LAX-EWR JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
CO LAX-HNL JUN 5>2 JUL 6>3 AUG 6>3 SEP 5>2 OCT 5>2
CO LAX-HNL JUN 5>3 JUL 6>4 AUG 6>4 SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2
CO LAX-KOA JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO LAX-KOA JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO LAX-OGG JUL 2>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO SFO-EWR JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
CO SFO-HNL JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
CO SFO-HNL JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
CO SFO-IAH JUL 6>7

CX LAX-GDL SEP 2>0 OCT 1.7>0
CX LAX-MEX SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.9>0

DL ATL-CLE JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
DL ATL-EVV JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
*DL ATL-LGW APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL ATL-LHR APR 1.2>1.7 MAY 1.5>3 JUN 1.6>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.6>3 OCT 1.5>3
*DL ATL-MFE MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
DL ATL-MLU JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL ATL-MSP JUL 11>12
DL ATL-MTY JUL 2>1.9
DL ATL-PUJ OCT 1.0>2
DL ATL-SAN OCT 6>5
DL ATL-SDF MAY 9>8
DL ATL-VCE JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7 AUG 0.5>0.7
DL ATL-VPS JUN 9>11 JUL 8>11 AUG 9>11 SEP 9>11 OCT 9>10
DL BOI-MSP JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL BOS-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.6 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
DL CMH-MSP JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
More CVG cutbacks
*DL CVG-JAX JUN 1.5>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.2>0.9
*DL CVG-ORF APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
*DL CVG-SEA JUN 1.2>0.8 JUL 1.4>0.8
DL DCA-ATL AUG 15>14 SEP 15>14 OCT 15>14
DL DTW-ATW JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
DL DTW-AZO JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6 SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
DL DTW-CAE JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
DL DTW-CHS JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2.0 OCT 3>2
DL DTW-CRW JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7 AUG 3>1.7
DL DTW-CVG JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
DL DTW-DLH JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2.0 AUG 3>2
DL DTW-EVV JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
DL DTW-HSV JUN 3>1.9 JUL 3>2.0 AUG 3>2
DL DTW-LAN JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
DL DTW-LIT JUN 1.6>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.9 AUG 1.3>0.9
DL DTW-MHT JUN 7>6 JUL 7>5 AUG 7>5 SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5
DL DTW-MLI JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL DTW-PHL JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL DTW-RDU JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL DTW-ROA JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
DL DTW-YYZ MAY 8>7
DL GEG-MSP JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
DL GRB-MSP JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL JFK-BOS OCT 5>6
DL JFK-MEX JUL 2>1.9
DL LAS-MSP JUN 7>6 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
DL LAX-HNL JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0
DL LGA-BUF AUG 6>7 OCT 6>7
DL LGA-DCA JUL 14>13 AUG 14>13 SEP 13>12 OCT 14>13
DL LGA-MHT APR 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.2>1.9 AUG 1.5>3 SEP 1.3>3 OCT 1.5>3
Same as CVG
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
DL MOT-MSP JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL MSP-SDF JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
DL MSP-YYC OCT 3>4
DL PIT-CDG OCT 0.6>0.5
*DL RDU-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
DL SLC-EWR MAY 2.0>1.5
DL SLC-MCI JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
DL SLC-MSO SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL SLC-OKC MAY 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.8
DL SLC-OMA JUL 3>2 AUG 3>1.9 SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.9
DL SLC-PSC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
DL SLC-SJC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL SLC-STL JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3

Moved to DFW
*EK IAH-DXB MAR 1.2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0

Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

HA LAX-HNL MAR 2>3

K5 OTH-PDX SEP 0>1.6

LA MIA-BOG JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3
LA MIA-PUJ OCT 0.1>0.3

LO EWR-WAW JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.5>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7 SEP 0.6>0.7
LO JFK-WAW JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.8>1.0
LO ORD-WAW JUN 1.2>1.3 JUL 1.1>1.3 SEP 1.1>1.3

LY JFK-TLV APR 1.9>1.8

*NK DEN-DFW MAY 0>1.4 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-FLL MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*NK DEN-LAS MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-ORD MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
NK DTW-MCO SEP 1.0>2
NK FLL-MGA JUL 0.4>0.6
NK FLL-PTY JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SAP JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SJO JUN 1.3>1.6 JUL 1.3>1.8 AUG 1.3>1.6
NK FLL-STI JUL 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-TPA JUL 1.0>2

QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

R3 ANC-PKC AUG 0>0.2

TA MIA-TGU MAR 1.0>0.8

TCX LAS-GLA AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.2>0
TCX LAS-MAN AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.2
TCX SFB-GLA SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
TCX SFB-LGW AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1
TCX SFB-MAN AUG 0.2>0.3 SEP 0.1>0.3 OCT 0.1>0.3

TJ SJU-SBH MAR 1.7>1.6 APR 1.8>1.7

UA DEN-ASE JUN 10>9 JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10
UA DEN-BFL SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
UA DEN-BZN JUN 4>5
UA DEN-CID JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
UA DEN-FSD JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:26 pm

UA ORD-FSD AUG 5>4
UA ORD-GSP JUN 4>3
UA ORD-IAH JUN 3>4 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA ORD-LAX JUN 11>12
UA SFO-FAT JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA SFO-MFR JUN 6>7
UA SFO-SLC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA SFO-SNA JUN 7>8

US DCA-TPA JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
US PHX-EWR AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
US PHX-HNL JUN 4>3
US PHX-LIH JUN 1.1>1.2

VC HNL-BNE MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
VC HNL-MEL MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0

VS LAX-LHR MAY 2>1.7

WS LAS-YYC MAY 2>3
WS PHX-YYC MAY 1.0>1.5

Y4 LAS-GDL APR 1.3>1.5
Y4 LAS-MEX MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.3>1.0 JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.3>1.0 SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0
Y4 LAX-MEX MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.5 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
Y4 LAX-MLM JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.8>1.0 AUG 0.9>1.0 SEP 0.9>1.0 OCT 0.8>1.0
Y4 MDW-GDL APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0 SEP 0.7>1.0 OCT 0.7>1.0
Y4 OAK-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0
Y4 OAK-MEX APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
Y4 SAN-GDL APR 0.4>0.8 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
Y4 SAN-MEX APR 0.5>0.8 AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.5>0.4
Y4 SJC-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0

YV HNL-ITO APR 2>3
YV HNL-OGG MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8
YV ITO-HNL APR 2>3
YV OGG-HNL MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8

ZK DEN-ISN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
ZK HON-MCK APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0
ZK HON-MSP APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
ZK HON-PIR APR 1.0>2.0 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
ZK ISN-JMS APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
ZK ISN-MSP APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
ZK JMS-MSP MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

Which is why F9 and BIS knows better than you, thank goodness. You always seem to make a snide comment about F9 in your OAG threads.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-HSV JUN 3>1.9 JUL 3>2.0 AUG 3>2
DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Sigh. We used to have direct Delta service to multiple hubs and destinations. Now it will be two flights per day to DTW and everything else is ATL.

Thank you again for your work in posting the weekly thread!

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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:37 pm

Hmmm UA just announced IST this summer...didn't see it on this run....did part of the UA fall off with formatting?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

No surprise. DL can't make money on this route with VX there. It's not worth fighting for.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL CVG-JAX JUN 1.5>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.2>0.9
*DL CVG-ORF APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

More RJ's to help fund LGA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

I don't think it has anything to do with bidding for AA. It's all about cutting losses on poor performing leisure routes which do especially bad with fuel prices being as high as they are.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Sad. I flew this route in April 2010 and it was back on a E175.

LAX-PHL gets the axe after less than a year. Honestly, I'm not surprised.
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

MEM is living on a prayer anyway - with fuel prices escalating and uncertain it seems that it's got to be just a matter of time before MEM is "right-sized." But then that's been said for a while...
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not sure BIS was better than SMF.

BIS was offering $200,000 revenue guarantee to get additional airline service
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now  
If i look into my crystal ball this and DEN wont be the last LAX routes to bight the dust either. I bet we see a few more of the unsustainable delta rj routes bight the dust eventually too or at least see significant frequency decreases. Delta just doesnt have the LAX base of flyers or consistancy to make these routes work and when fuel shoots back up they are gonna be vulnerable. I know ive said this before but as many times as i say this people on here swear this time is different for DL at LAX. It just keeps being the same tired LAX add em and slash em story keeping a ton of seats to the hubs/focus cities.

As i said if delta really wanted to try this they would have needed the AA EWR-LAX once a day schedule the ideal business times. They just threw another dart but didnt really try on this one. They just moved in on an opportunity which dissapeared rather quickly.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:42 pm

People are quick to throw DL under the bus for any and all cuts they make, and claim "they can't make it work"

However, on many of these routes, I would be lead to believe that the rapidly escalating cost of fuel is rendering more of these marginal routes uneconomical.

The airline industry is facing a major issue going into the summer months, facing another massive run-up in the cost of fuel.

I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK FLL-MGA JUL 0.4>0.6
NK FLL-PTY JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SAP JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SJO JUN 1.3>1.6 JUL 1.3>1.8 AUG 1.3>1.6
NK FLL-STI JUL 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-TPA JUL 1.0>2

So where are all the panicking a-netters that constantly talk about the 'demise' of NK in FLL now?? lol
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK FLL-MGA JUL 0.4>0.6
NK FLL-PTY JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SAP JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SJO JUN 1.3>1.6 JUL 1.3>1.8 AUG 1.3>1.6
NK FLL-STI JUL 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-TPA JUL 1.0>2

Good to see some of the FLL reductions from a week or two ago come back.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:55 pm

WOW! Lots of interesting stuff this week!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS ANC-HNL AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
AS BLI-HNL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6
AS HNL-ANC AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4

Hmmm, are these just shoulder season cuts, or a sign that these Hawaiian routes aren't doing so well? I remember on another thread people stating how and why AS's BLI-HNL doesn't seem to be a stellar performer, but I would have thought they make a killing on the only nonstops to Hawaii out of Alaska...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 FLL-IAD JUN 1.7>0.6 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

This leaves no service at all between these two major airports. Perhaps its time for UA, NK, or even WN to fill the void?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 LGA-SRQ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

I cannot believe they paid all that money for those slots to waste them on stuff like this. Maybe the SRQ airport is throwing the money they would have given to FL/WN at B6 to do this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAD-CDG JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2.0>1.1

I hope this means a PMUA bird is flying the second IAD-CDG frequency during the peak summer season, and not that the world's biggest airline only sees reason to put a pithy daily two class 757 on this high profile international route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-LGW APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL ATL-LHR APR 1.2>1.7 MAY 1.5>3 JUN 1.6>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.6>3 OCT 1.5>3

Not terribly surprising, seeing as how peers AA and CO quickly abandoned LGW for the greener pastures of LHR. Of course some people prefer LGW, but the vast majority of pax headed to London or points beyond seem to prefer LHR, so this is a probably a means to better satisfy customer demand.

Now that this has happened it may only be a matter of time before US shifts CLT-LGW over to LHR, putting an end to decades of transatlantic ops to/from LGW by the major U.S. players. The only nonstop options between the U.S. and LGW would then be the oddball seasonal SY route, BA - MCO and TPA, and VS - MCO and LAS.

It's interesting that prestigious long haul carriers like QR and DL are consolidating their London ops at LHR, but several Asian carriers - CA, KE, and HX - are actually adding new nonstop service to distant Asian markets from LGW.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-MFE MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0

Not surprising. I imagine quite a few more long, thin, marginal RJ routes like this will start to get cut with oil prices on the rise. IIRC McAllen is one of the poorest metropolitan areas in the entire country.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
More CVG cutbacks
*DL CVG-JAX JUN 1.5>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.2>0.9
*DL CVG-ORF APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
*DL CVG-SEA JUN 1.2>0.8 JUL 1.4>0.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Same as CVG
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

High oil prices are the perfect excuse for slashing RJ capacity and finally dehubbing MEM and CVG.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

Not weird at all. This is certainly not a battle that DL is going to win. Now, if/when VX goes into ATL, that's when DL will certainly put up a big fight.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

LOL, I doubt it. I never understood why DL was so determined to expand from MiAAmi when they saw what happened to UA's 15-20 year attempt to make it work. What a colossal waste of time and money. They probably would have been better off expanding their South Florida ops from FLL, where costs are lower, they have their own terminal, and they have always been *much* stronger than down the road at MIA. Had they tried stuff like LHR and GRU from there it might just have caught on, making FLL an EWR-like long haul alternative to MIA (the JFK of the metropolitan area).

As for DL trying to pick up MIA from AA, I doubt that carrier would EVER sell the hub unless it was an all-or-nothing merger/acquisition or if AA was on the verge of imminent liquidation. It is far too valuable, both in terms of revenue and strategy, for AA to let go. Without it, they'd lose most of their powerful Latin American presence overnight, and what would AA be without that??

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL RDU-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Not at all surprising. Why they were ever putting a 50-seat RJ against more frequent [mainline] LCC flights is beyond me. Again, with oil prices on the rise, I expect to see many marginal RJ routes - long and thin like ATL-MFE, or p2p like this - cut.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Moved to DFW
*EK IAH-DXB MAR 1.2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0

A very smart move. IAH sees far more international long haul competition than DFW. Houston fliers have lots of options when headed to major business markets in Africa, the Middle East, CIS, and Asia. DFW fliers don't.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

LOL, WN and UA are both very strong players out of SMF. The costs at the airport are also on the rise thanks to that monstrosity they just built. I wouldn't be surprised to see F9 eventually cut SMF (along with ABQ and TUS, if the latter was not permanently cut already), as they did SJC and now SAT/BOI. In these cases they faced high cost and/or highly competitive markets where they lagged far behind competitors with respect to penetration of the local market. Better off reallocating their assets to places like BIS that will pay for the service and potentially generate higher yields in the long run. As long as F9 offers plenty of service to the ever-popular major markets from DEN (MDW, LGA, DCA, MCO, LAS, DFW, LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, etc.) they probably don't need to be serving second-tier markets like SMF from there to make the smaller stuff like BIS work.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK DEN-DFW MAY 0>1.4 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-FLL MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*NK DEN-LAS MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-ORD MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I didn't think the yields could get any worse at DEN but they're about to!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Can't believe this one is getting cut. I wonder if it's time for UA to resume LAX-AKL on its own metal, or if DL, AA, or VA would be interesting in filling the void. Otherwise, NZ will soon enjoy a very comfortable monopoly on this route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-ASE JUN 10>9 JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10

F9 pulls out, UA cuts frequency and jacks up the fares. What a shame.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US DCA-TPA JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

Looks like someone isn't too happy about B6's new DCA flights!

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

VC HNL-BNE MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
VC HNL-MEL MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0

Any idea if this could be a void that Jetstar or HA could fill?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 LAX-MEX MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.5 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4

UA and Y4 have both slashed frequency on this route, and it's not like AM or AS have done much. Isn't this is a goldmine?!?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 OAK-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0
Y4 OAK-MEX APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 SJC-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0

Looks like the Bay Area isn't doing too hot. Guess they'd better get that WN codeshare going or perhaps look at serving SFO instead.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 SAN-GDL APR 0.4>0.8 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
Y4 SAN-MEX APR 0.5>0.8 AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.5>0.4

Looks like SAN isn't doing too hot either.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
YV HNL-OGG MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8

More cuts by this airline..
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO GNV-MCO MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO GNV-TPA APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7

Glad to see GNV coming back!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAH-OKC JUN 8>9 JUL 9>10 AUG 8>9

 
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-OKC MAY 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.8

 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
High oil prices are the perfect excuse for slashing RJ capacity and finally dehubbing MEM and CVG.

Yikes i really hope not. Loosing EWR-MEM alone is already tough for me to handle. Been on that flight alot of times

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
People are quick to throw DL under the bus for any and all cuts they make, and claim "they can't make it work"

However, on many of these routes, I would be lead to believe that the rapidly escalating cost of fuel is rendering more of these marginal routes uneconomical.

The airline industry is facing a major issue going into the summer months, facing another massive run-up in the cost of fuel.

I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.

DL can't make LAX origin traffic work. Its not like this is even close to the first time. They add and then later cut LAX routes during low fuel, high fuel, odd years, even years, you name it.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

This market didnt make sense for DL even without VX

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

I dont wonder. DL was losing a boatload on MIA-LHR even if it was full. No corporate accounts on either end, long haul, high fuel. These flights never made sense. This has nothing to do with AA and everything to do with sucky routes. Plus more RJs for NYC expansion

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

What no comments??? This is a big big deal.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
BIS was offering $200,000 revenue guarantee to get additional airline service

F9 will burn through that is a few months, then leave town.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

Growing economy (ND oil boom), and no WN service. Sounds like a plan to me! It seems like F9 is trying a shot at non-WN stations lately like GTF, BIS, BLI, and more.
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.

I feel DL is now being proactive about cutting non-core flying, but many of the routes that are being cut should not have been added in the first place. Routes like LAX-PHL, MIA-MCO, and RDU-TPA were quintessimal "Delta Dartboard" routes.

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

What no comments??? This is a big big deal.

This cut was discussed at length in the QF cutbacks thread last week.
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

So is this a seasonal cut, shifting back to UA, or just totally cancelled ?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now

.......and how is the elimination of one route any indication of DL not being committed to LAX?????
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
F9 will burn through that is a few months, then leave town.

You mean like DSM - where the revenue guarantee was not touched, DEN service increased to 2 x daily and MCO service was added?

I think BIS might like that.  

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Like the wind, routes come and go.....

People are critical when AA doesn't try new routes outside of their comfort zone, people are critical when DL cuts routes that are outside of their entrenched hubs.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19):

So is this a seasonal cut, shifting back to UA, or just totally cancelled ?

Shifting back to PMUA 763.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
I think BIS might like that.

I can't speak for BIS, but I sure would  
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:25 am

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 2):
You always seem to make a snide comment about F9 in your OAG threads.

Well, you can always just read the threads by all the other people painstakingly using their personal time to comb through the OAG for changes, or you can trot up and criticize me in the 4 seconds you invested here.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 3):
Thank you again for your work in posting the weekly thread!

 
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
No surprise. DL can't make money on this route with VX there. It's not worth fighting for.

I applaud them for realizing that, they are usually more stubborn.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
More RJ's to help fund LGA.

True dat

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
I don't think it has anything to do with bidding for AA. It's all about cutting losses on poor performing leisure routes which do especially bad with fuel prices being as high as they are.

I think it is 80% likely we will see DL bid for AA's MIA hub and this can't be coincidence.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
LAX-PHL gets the axe after less than a year. Honestly, I'm not surprised.

I'm not either, but trying it was not a bad thing for customers...shareholders might be different...

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
BIS was offering $200,000 revenue guarantee to get additional airline service

Not a lot really. TOL is offering 15x that much I think.

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 11):
talk about the 'demise' of NK in FLL now??

I don't remember anybody saying that. I think the issue is more that NK took planes out of FLL because they thought they were strong enough there to get away with it. DL is doing the same strategy by cutting ASMs.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
WOW! Lots of interesting stuff this week!

Agreed  
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
This leaves no service at all between these two major airports. Perhaps its time for UA, NK, or even WN to fill the void?

Really? No UA? That is a shock.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I cannot believe they paid all that money for those slots to waste them on stuff like this.

Amen, brother

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
LOL, I doubt it. I never understood why DL was so determined to expand from MiAAmi when they saw what happened to UA's 15-20 year attempt to make it work. What a colossal waste of time and money.

What's the over-under on DL's MIA-LAX?

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
As for DL trying to pick up MIA from AA, I doubt that carrier would EVER sell the hub unless it was an all-or-nothing merger/acquisition

I think you misinterpret. They have already said they will try to buy AA and it would have to be in parts. AA management does not get to approve a sale. The creditors would. Here is what will happen...
1) DL will propose a deal to buy MIA and possibly some other parts of AA. They will either do this in concert with US (taking the rest) or make it a stand-alone bid. The first has a greater likelihood of securing creditor support.
2) US will bid for the whole airline if they are not working with DL in #1
3) IAG will run to the rescue with a joint bid with TPG that will be "employee friendly"

I'd suspect #3 will win, but that is far from definite.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I didn't think the yields could get any worse at DEN but they're about to!

I can only assume NK's DEN entry was retaliation for WN's FLL-SJU.

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
I dont wonder. DL was losing a boatload on MIA-LHR even if it was full.

Of course they were, but they knew that before they started it. What was the end game? There was one. They aren't dumb.

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
F9 will burn through that is a few months, then leave town.

Probably

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
You mean like DSM - where the revenue guarantee was not touched, DEN service increased to 2 x daily and MCO service was added?

DSM and CID are much more in DEN's circle and are traditionally tied to DEN. Montana is really not. It may or may not work. It's better than some of their other choices, like MDT. I tend to think it won't survive, however. The incentive is not a lot of money on this one.
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
YV HNL-ITO APR 2>3
YV HNL-OGG MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8
YV ITO-HNL APR 2>3
YV OGG-HNL MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8



Looks like Go! is in retreat after building up OGG last round. Guess those 26 turns a day between OGG-HNL on HA had something to do with it, amongst other things...
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
I can only assume NK's DEN entry was retaliation for WN's FLL-SJU.

If NK is retaliating for that, why now? WN/FL announced this way back in November of 2011. 3 Months later NK finally went "hey, they announced FLL-SJU!"??

Some people have suggested that DTW-LAS announced by WN is a retaliation of NK going into DEN, but..DTW-LAS is not new, it is a return, granted a late return, but one nonetheless.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):

Really? No UA? That is a shock.

No United period at FLL pre merger, afterwards, now I think it's a mix, mostly CO side. But IAD-FLL does not exist right now.

You mentioned FL in the title but I don't see any FL in your OAG List?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SDF MAY 9>8

Delta getting scared off by WN announcing ATL-SDF?   Though WN's ATL-SDF won't start until late Fall...

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Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:59 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
DSM and CID are much more in DEN's circle and are traditionally tied to DEN. Montana is really not.

BZN and BIL - in Montana - have done quite will for Frontier, but what does Montana have to do with BIS?

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Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now
If i look into my crystal ball this and DEN wont be the last LAX routes to bight the dust either. I bet we see a few more of the unsustainable delta rj routes bight the dust eventually too or at least see significant frequency decreases. Delta just doesnt have the LAX base of flyers or consistancy to make these routes work and when fuel shoots back up they are gonna be vulnerable. I know ive said this before but as many times as i say this people on here swear this time is different for DL at LAX. It just keeps being the same tired LAX add em and slash em story keeping a ton of seats to the hubs/focus cities.

As i said if delta really wanted to try this they would have needed the AA EWR-LAX once a day schedule the ideal business times. They just threw another dart but didnt really try on this one. They just moved in on an opportunity which dissapeared rather quickly.
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
People are quick to throw DL under the bus for any and all cuts they make, and claim "they can't make it work"

However, on many of these routes, I would be lead to believe that the rapidly escalating cost of fuel is rendering more of these marginal routes uneconomical.

The airline industry is facing a major issue going into the summer months, facing another massive run-up in the cost of fuel.

I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.

VX has entered the LAX-PHL market running anywhere between 2-3 r/t flights depending on the day of week. That plus the approximately 6 flights on US (which also carries a good number of UA customers since UA dropped the route on their own metal) is the reason folks. Without VX in the picture, it might have had a chance altho LAX and PHL are two *A hubs. With VX in the picture, no way.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
I think it is 80% likely we will see DL bid for AA's MIA hub and this can't be coincidence.

I dont think they can bid for individual assets. Why would the creditors go for that??? It would leave AA a shell and the creditors out to dry.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
1) DL will propose a deal to buy MIA and possibly some other parts of AA. They will either do this in concert with US

This will never happen. So Doug Parker and Scott Kirby agree to split AA with DL and DL gets the good assets while US gets what? 3rd place in Chicago?3-4th place in NYC? Last place in LAX? US would never agree to such an agreement. Its either going to be US take AA or TPG takes AA. DL gets squat.
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-CID JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4

I wonder if this is in response to F9 announcing DEN-CID.
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):

What's the over-under on DL's MIA-LAX?

You never know. Some of DL's apparent successes out of LAX come as a great shock to me - MSY and OAK are prime examples. On the other hand, I would have thought stuff like IND and CMH would do extremely well for them. DL seems to do quite well out of LAX when it comes to the Sunbelt, particularly Florida where they have a long history of serving the three primary metropolitan areas (Orlando, Tampa Bay, and Gold Coast) nonstop.

All they did with MIA-LAX was shift their longstanding FLL-LAX flight down to MIA - same aircraft type, same awful red eye times, and I believe even the same flight number - when B6 and VX decided to jump on the FLL-LAX route. Might as well battle a bankrupt carrier that holds the monopoly on MIA-LAX than three aggressive LCCs on FLL-LAX, right?
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 15):
DL can't make LAX origin traffic work. Its not like this is even close to the first time. They add and then later cut LAX routes during low fuel, high fuel, odd years, even years, you name it

You saying this reminded me when DL used to operate an M11 LAX-FRA-DEL/BOM (I forgot which city in India) flight

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 26):
Looks like Go! is in retreat after building up OGG last round. Guess those 26 turns a day between OGG-HNL on HA had something to do with it, amongst other things...

I can't wait to see GO, GO! What you reap, you sow, Good riddance Mesa out of Hawaii.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 32):

If they aren't cutting it, I could see DL moving MIA-LAX back to FLL.

The Gold Coast? Is that in ref. to RSW? IDK if DL flies nonstop LAX to West Florida. They briefly tired JAX but that failed too.

LAX-IND still hovers around as a daily flight. That flight was inherited from NW.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):

If they aren't cutting it, I could see DL moving MIA-LAX back to FLL.

That would make them the 5th carrier on the FLL-LAX route, after NK, VX, B6, and AA. They might as well add LAX-ORD and LAX-BOS while they are at it...

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):
The Gold Coast? Is that in ref. to RSW? IDK if DL flies nonstop LAX to West Florida. They briefly tired JAX but that failed too.

The Florida Gold Coast is the area stretching from West Palm Beach all the way down to Miami. I guess its more typically called the South Florida metropolitan area, my bad.

RSW serves Southwest Florida (it is called Southwest Florida International Airport after all), which includes Fort Myers, Bonita Springs, Naples, and surrounding areas like Sanibel, Captiva, Marco Island, etc. My parents live there and I live in L.A., so I would absolutely LOVE to have a nonstop option. Sadly, with these fuel prices, it simply won't happen. I always see plenty of familiar faces when connecting from LAX to RSW via ATL, MIA, Texas, or what have you but I don't believe there has ever been a nonstop service.

I guess West Florida would be Tampa Bay, which DL has served for a number of years from LAX with its LAX-TPA service.

LAX-JAX must have been a real dog, since they never tried it again (whereas they brought back CMH, RDU, and even BDL).

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):
LAX-IND still hovers around as a daily flight. That flight was inherited from NW.

True, but DL and NW were both pretty big players out of IND. With their combined FF loyalty, I thought a route to LAX would be as strong as ever.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:36 am

So i'm guessing that DL will make DTW only 7w and move the other three flights to ATL making it 14w. So where are they getting extra 7w slots at LHR to make ATL 21w flights? It also seems that all flights to LHR will be 764, so what will they do with the A330 on the LGW route right now?
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:58 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
Not weird at all. This is certainly not a battle that DL is going to win. Now, if/when VX goes into ATL, that's when DL will certainly put up a big fight.

VX doesn't exactly have the money reserves to beat DL in a fare war. I think VX being in the market was a factor, but not the biggest factor.

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
You mean like DSM - where the revenue guarantee was not touched, DEN service increased to 2 x daily and MCO service was added?

I think BIS might like that.

BIS isn't even close to the size of market that DSM is. It is also not involved in the ND oil boom so I don't see much growth going on there. I'm sort of wondering why F9 didn't come back to FAR instead of deciding on BIS - a metro a third the size with less growth.

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 30):
This will never happen. So Doug Parker and Scott Kirby agree to split AA with DL and DL gets the good assets while US gets what? 3rd place in Chicago?3-4th place in NYC? Last place in LAX? US would never agree to such an agreement. Its either going to be US take AA or TPG takes AA. DL gets squat.

If AA was split up, US would gladly let DL have MIA if US obtained DFW.
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:17 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 37):
BIS isn't even close to the size of market that DSM is.

I'm not suggesting it. The question was about revenue guarantees, not market size.

CIS isn't the size of market that DSM is but the CID forward bookings are already "exceeding expectations" and - to me - look better than the early bookings for DSM.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 37):
I'm sort of wondering why F9 didn't come back to FAR instead of deciding on BIS - a metro a third the size with less growth.

Each to their own. I'd have been disappointed if Frontier had gone back to FAR at this stage of the game.

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Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:29 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 37):
BIS isn't even close to the size of market that DSM is. It is also not involved in the ND oil boom so I don't see much growth going on there. I'm sort of wondering why F9 didn't come back to FAR instead of deciding on BIS - a metro a third the size with less growth.
BIS is not directly in the oil boom, but it is not very far from it, and no doubt benefits at least indirectly from the economic explosion in ND. Just a few days ago the passenger reports for Jan 2012 showed major growth vs Jan 2011 in the four commercial airports closest to the oil boom. ISN had 172% growth, MOT 63%, DIK 77%, and BIS 11%. While it had the least growth of the four, that's nothing to sneeze at, especially with BIS being the largest market of the four.

http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=55249

Also, notice that F9's strategy lately has been leaning towards airports that are relatively isolated from major metro areas. GTF is an even smaller market than BIS.

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Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:51 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
People are quick to throw DL under the bus for any and all cuts they make, and claim "they can't make it work"

For me personally, I blame WorldTraveler. He single-handedly turned me negative on DL. I'm finally starting to heal (but won't book 'em....yet).  
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
BIS was offering $200,000 revenue guarantee to get additional airline service

F9 will burn through that is a few months, then leave town.

Perhaps. There's a reason BIS is offering a revenue guarantee - if it was a sure-fire success in the making, no guarantee would be needed. Nonetheless, F9 has had successes in other such markets, as have other carriers. In the end, if people fly, they'll stay. A $200,000 revenue guarantee isn't really all that much, and I doubt it in and of itself would make them open a new station and devote resources to it.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
People are critical when AA doesn't try new routes outside of their comfort zone, people are critical when DL cuts routes that are outside of their entrenched hubs.

True.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Well, you can always just read the threads by all the other people painstakingly using their personal time to comb through the OAG for changes, or you can trot up and criticize me in the 4 seconds you invested here.

Touche.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
I think it is 80% likely we will see DL bid for AA's MIA hub and this can't be coincidence.

Really? You keep saying this, and it may very well happen, but it just doesn't seem like a successful plan. We'll see...

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Quoting Santi319 (Reply 11):
talk about the 'demise' of NK in FLL now??

I don't remember anybody saying that.

When NK was reducing flights across a broad spectrum of destinations a few years back (IIRC), it was perceived by some here as them not being successful in their current business model there. Obviously, they've done alright, but it was talked about that way by some.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
I dont wonder. DL was losing a boatload on MIA-LHR even if it was full.

Of course they were, but they knew that before they started it. What was the end game? There was one. They aren't dumb.

Well, if the end game was to fly the route until AA went CH11, then pull out so that they could attempt an asset play in MIA, then you're right, they aren't dumb.

Perhaps there's more to the end game then I see? Scare tactic? Push AA over the edge? Not sure. I do agree that there was a plan, but I tend to think it was simply DL's attempt at growing in MIA - and it's struggling.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Montana is really not.

Mariner addressed the MT vs ND thing, but I've always thought of MSP, DEN, and SLC as the three big gateways to these states. What is so special about ND that DEN isn't in it's circle, so to speak? The original Frontier - as shown in Mariner's route map in the Frontier thread - had plenty of exposure from DEN to the Dakota's. I'd enjoy seeing more of it again.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 37):
I'm sort of wondering why F9 didn't come back to FAR instead of deciding on BIS - a metro a third the size with less growth.

Been there, done that? I'm not sure, but if they did poor there financially before, and BIS as a new destination is offering a little cash, the risk - and embarrassment - of having to pull out would be greater in FAR than BIS.

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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:43 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 18):
I feel DL is now being proactive about cutting non-core flying, but many of the routes that are being cut should not have been added in the first place. Routes like LAX-PHL, MIA-MCO, and RDU-TPA were quintessimal "Delta Dartboard" routes.
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 15):
DL can't make LAX origin traffic work. Its not like this is even close to the first time. They add and then later cut LAX routes during low fuel, high fuel, odd years, even years, you name it
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now

You folks can continue to criticize Delta Network Planning all you want, but capacity cuts and capacity discipline have served Delta extremely well in Q4 2011, and into January 2012 (weakest month of the year). They reported some of the best margins in the industry last quarter, and led the industry in unit revenue (even beating out traditional leader UACO in Q4 - and that has almost never happened before). In addition, they reported a massive 14.5% RASM increase for January (compared to 8.5 to 9.5% for UACO) mostly driven by domestic and transatlantic (latter due to significant capacity drawdown for the weak winter season). Believe it or not, these guys know what they are doing....
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
1) DL will propose a deal to buy MIA and possibly some other parts of AA. They will either do this in concert with US (taking the rest) or make it a stand-alone bid. The first has a greater likelihood of securing creditor support.



There is one very big risk with DL trying to make the US into a 2-alliance market. It might as well lead to a dissolution of oneworld. Regulators around the world are getting used to the idea that the travel market will consolidate into three large airline groupings with few independent airlines of limited reach. It is possible that some regulators will balk at that, so the status-quo might unravel. Look at Europe for example - airline alliances are approved with a clause effectively saying the EU can change their minds at any time.

In the small likelihood that DL gets what they want there is a big likelihood that they will get something else.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 35):
LAX-JAX must have been a real dog, since they never tried it again (whereas they brought back CMH, RDU, and even BDL).

It had to be. Then again I would have thought that RDU/CMH/JAX-LAX would have all done well, yet they all failed (RDU is seasonal, big whoop. LAX isn't a seasonal city.) I scratch my head as to why DL restared BDL-LAX again. AA couldn't make it work pre-9/11 and UA failed on BDL-SFO as well.

PHL-LAX on DL was another scratch on the head for me. US has that market tied down by the throat and even UA's PHL-LAX is now seasonal whereas before it was daily. One would figure DL would restart BOS-LAX or even EWR-LAX over PHL.

Also another funny one is back in 2007 DL announced IAD-LAX but quickly retracted it before launch. Wonder why?

In the past I have flown CMH-LAX and IND-LAX and both flights were packed (I still got the upgrade at the gate last second.) You can never really tell how profitable the flights actually are based on loads but it seems like IND-LAX is a keeper for DL, ditto MEM-LAX. What's also interesting is how they canned MKE-LAX and IND-LAS early on into the merger. I would have thought both those routes would have been pretty solid.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
Like the wind, routes come and go.....

People are critical when AA doesn't try new routes outside of their comfort zone, people are critical when DL cuts routes that are outside of their entrenched hubs.

  

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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:28 pm

I am certainly out of the loop, but this seemed like the best thread to ask this question: Last fall, I flew DL DCA-JAX non-stop a few times on a Thursday night. I noticed this flight no longer exists and doesn't appear to exist in the future. I was hoping this was a seasonal cut but appears to be gone indefinitely. Can anybody shed any light on this flight? Thanks
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 45):
I am certainly out of the loop, but this seemed like the best thread to ask this question: Last fall, I flew DL DCA-JAX non-stop a few times on a Thursday night. I noticed this flight no longer exists and doesn't appear to exist in the future. I was hoping this was a seasonal cut but appears to be gone indefinitely. Can anybody shed any light on this flight? Thanks

Casualty of the US/DL DCA/LGA slot swap. US will still be flying it.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):

Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now

Im pretty sure we are commited to LAX did you miss the added flight to HNL now up to 4xdaily in the summer,compared to 1x daily in SLC...Hint if we were not committed to LAX we wouldnt be hiring so many positions on the ramp as of right now...need a job??
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):
If they aren't cutting it, I could see DL moving MIA-LAX back to FLL.

Well i know its not going out empty...I have a few friends in MIA and if i could avoid ATL and go straight in to MIA it would be great but flts are usually pretty full so i end up connecting thru ATL 90% of the time....Ive only flew the route once since the start..  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US

Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO CLE-STL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4

I had to laugh at this one a little. Wasn't it just 2 or 3 OAG updates ago when this route was being used as an example of the CLE hub being "cut"?

Also, I take it that there are schedule differences now between last summer and this summer for CLE? Wasn't there a "placeholder" schedule there a few months back?

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I hope this means a PMUA bird is flying the second IAD-CDG frequency during the peak summer season, and not that the world's biggest airline only sees reason to put a pithy daily two class 757 on this high profile international route...

They're probably bringing back another 757 but if they aren't maybe AF's A380 is having a real effect. International pax growth at IAD has been almost flat over the last three years. Maybe we're seeing a microcosm of this issue reflected on this route.

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