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Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:20 am

Some great news! Another airline is coming to Dulles!

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...ing-washington-d-c-in-spring-2013/
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:51 am

Perhaps a pre-emptive strike against EK?

UA also already flies to DXB daily from IAD.
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 1):
Perhaps a pre-emptive strike against EK?

Surely sounds like it. This is a very early announcement and IAD is definitely at the top of EK's hit list, although the airline seems bound for an ORD launch beforehand. I wouldn't be surprised that EK anyway makes it to IAD before EY though.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:11 am

Great news! I'm sure that QR does great at IAD, and I have no doubt that EY will also thrive here. Always good to see Dulles getting more service...
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:42 am

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been waiting for this! Any info an the A/C type?
Greetings from Dulles!
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:46 am

Plenty of time for EK to jump in first   
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 4):
Any info an the A/C type?

From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:54 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
Plenty of time for EK to jump in first

Exactly...

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):

From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500

...and with a better aircraft to boot  
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:38 am

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):
From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500

Yay! The first A345 to visit IAD!
Greetings from Dulles!
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):
From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500
Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 8):
Yay! The first A345 to visit IAD!

I wonder what has come of the announcement that the 4-strong A345 fleet is supposedly sold to the government of Venezuela.

[Edited 2012-02-22 19:20:55]
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:12 am

A more in-depth article source with direct quotes from Hogan

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...mericas-expansion-strategy-368672/
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:46 am

Will this affect the European carriers in any way?
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:47 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Will this affect the European carriers in any way?

yes it will effect EU carriers market share from IAD to Middle East and Indian Subcontinent/BKK/SIN in particular and more so QR directly as that would be the closest competitor.

However with an alliance with AA domestically and IAD not being a hub airport for AA, EY will struggle filling its IAD-AUH services with healthy S/F combined with yield. Via IAD, they would only be code sharing with AA to LAX as AA does not have evening flights from IAD to DFW/MIA/BOS. In addition, QR is firmly established at IAD with UA using a bigger 335 seater B77W versus EY going to use a less efficient A346 (292 seater).

Also note that EY's capacity to India currently is heavily restricted with BOM MAA DEL COK TRV etc all operating with a daily A320 only and not with wide bodies nor double daily like QR hence there is a huge capacity bottleneck situation arising from AUH which in turn will hamper IAD flights as gaining access to inventory shall be tough.

Honestly speaking IAD does not look too promising for EY and it would be better suited using the A346 on launching a higher yielding route such as AUH-LAD 3 times per week or somewhere else in Africa in order to adequately feed its rapid China 2012 expansion strategy !
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:08 am

I am excited EY is finaly adding another US destination. But I question IAD. I would have thought another AA hub. But given how conservative EY is maybe they know what they're doing.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 12):
Will this affect the European carriers in any way?

Air France has a lot to lose here: their IAD-CDG route feeds a significant number of high-yield pax to their African destinations, who now have an additional option in EY with a top-notch premium product...
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 12):
However with an alliance with AA domestically and IAD not being a hub airport for AA, EY will struggle filling its IAD-AUH services with healthy S/F combined with yield. Via IAD, they would only be code sharing with AA to LAX as AA does not have evening flights from IAD to DFW/MIA/BOS.


Your overall point it correct, but AA does in fact have IAD-DFW in the evening.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:05 pm

EY will do just fine to IAD. The Middle East, India and Africa are all strong markets for the DC area. Even though IAD is a UA hub and QR seems to be flirting with the *A, EY will do fine. EY will rely on AA for LAX and DFW traffic. I think EY is flirting with OW. I expect EY to add DFW, IAH and/or LAX next, in order to compete with EK and QR.

Quoting nantoine (Reply 14):

Air France has a lot to lose here: their IAD-CDG route feeds a significant number of high-yield pax to their African destinations, who now have an additional option in EY with a top-notch premium product...

EY, EK and QR are killing AF/KL and other European airlines. AF back in the day was enjoying North American traffic to Africa and India. Now these Mid East airlines offer a better product.
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:28 pm

Biggest losers are UA (From DXB), QR, AF, BA and LH.

Im sure connections through Europe were very popular before a direct service from AUH.

[Edited 2012-02-23 08:29:35]
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:35 pm

EYs African network is nothing compared to AF. In addition the only African route that would be connected in both directions to IAD via AUH is JNB! EY in Africa only fly to KRT NBO CAI JNB CPT LOS CMN and out of this only JNB connects. Yes if EK came to IAD then there would be a big problem for EU carriers on the IAD-Africa sector.

FYI, EYs DFW bound pax will fly via ORD and not via IAD because ORD-DFW has multiple daily frequencies after the EY flight arrives i.e. 4 vs 1 from IAD !

And yeah didnt the Venezuelan Govt purchase 4 EY A345s??? Or is this a mistake and its actually an A346.

Here is another press release: http://www.ameinfo.com/291100.html

It states that EY is banking in high premium traffic between IAD and AUH itself to support the route when in 2011 only 2900 pax flew in F/J class IAD-AUH-IAD combined both ways versus 6200 Doha and 4500 Kuwait !
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 18):

Actually EY suspended CPT earlier this month, and JNB don't operate every day.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 18):
And yeah didnt the Venezuelan Govt purchase 4 EY A345s??? Or is this a mistake and its actually an A346.

was it confirmed that these were EY aircraft? - I thought the source airline was as yet unconfirmed

(my own theory was that with TG ending BKK-LAX non-stop, that the aircraft in question could be from TG: but then maybe I haven't been paying attention...)
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 1):
UA also already flies to DXB daily from IAD.

Qatar also flies to Doha each day and I believe the yields are high.

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):
From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500

Yes, the press release confirms the air frame. Was hoping for 777.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 13):

I am excited EY is finaly adding another US destination. But I question IAD. I would have thought another AA hub. But given how conservative EY is maybe they know what they're doing

No, IAD is a great pickup. There is significant movement eastward from IAD and I am frankly shocked that there are basically 3 flights to middle east from IAD. (DXB,DOH and JED). Not many people fly Saudi except Saudis so basically you have two flights for everyone else. They are pricey too. The demographics of the DC area have long supported this as well as the local economy.

EK dropped the ball on this imo but I believe its LH that loses the most because many people connected through Frankfurt on UA or LH.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 21):
There is significant movement eastward from IAD and I am frankly shocked that there are basically 3 flights to middle east from IAD. (DXB,DOH and JED).

UA also flies IAD-KWI-BAH. Long-term this route may not survive though as it was heavily reliant on defense contractors supporting the Iraq war.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 17):
Biggest losers are UA (From DXB), QR, AF, BA and LH.

I agree, QR and EK will now spread the pain around quite a bit.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 21):

Qatar also flies to Doha each day and I believe the yields are high.

Thats what I hear. Didnt that flight have really big losses in the first several months of operatrions? If so, there are times when it pays to suffer through the losses while the flight gets traction in yields. This might be an example of that.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:02 pm

With the entrance of EY into IAD, should I expect fares to come down on QR, as I usually use it to fly to India?

Is the quality of service good with EY as it is with QR and EK?


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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:32 pm

I have flown QRs B77W in J class numerous times JFK DOH JFK as well as IAD DOH IAD along with EY's A346s once AUH-ORD and both products in the premium are very elegant indeed.

However from an in-flight entertainment + seat comfort point of view, QR beats EY hands down as QR's seats are wider which makes sleeping a lot more comfortable. Best business class I've flown on in the Middle East thus far is without a doubt Oman Air A332 BKK-MCT !
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:06 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 26):
Best business class I've flown on in the Middle East thus far is without a doubt Oman Air A332 BKK-MCT !

cough*thnx*cough!! :p
WY has a different strategy than EK,QR,EY. Its to concentrate on O&D Markets and develop Oman as a luxury holiday and culture destination which is happening. WY doesn't want to dominate the world and kill all other airlines!!, and it mostly serves premium heavy routes like LHR,CDG,FRA,MUC,MXP,ZRH and other routes in Asia and MENA.

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 23):

I dont think so, as the big EU Carriers have their loyal customers and its easier and more convenient to connect in MUC,ZRH and LHR for example than DOH for example. They might be affected a bit on the Indian Markets.

[Edited 2012-02-23 14:14:41]
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting working2gether (Thread starter):
I'm sure that QR does great at IAD, and I have no doubt that EY will also thrive here.

Both routes will provide a good connection between IAD and the Middle East/Asia. Another route to put on my list of routes I want to fly.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 21):
Not many people fly Saudi except Saudis so basically you have two flights for everyone else.

I've never seen SV once at IAD. I've seen an abandoned gate with a SV sign, but no jet. QR must have that part of the world covered well from IAD.
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
UA also flies IAD-KWI-BAH. Long-term this route may not survive though as it was heavily reliant on defense contractors supporting the Iraq war.

Any chance of it re-routed to IAH instead ?
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:30 pm

Will be interesting to see if AF will send the A380 to IAD as planned this summer or downgrade freq or even the aircraft.

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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting contrails67 (Reply 25):
With the entrance of EY into IAD, should I expect fares to come down on QR, as I usually use it to fly to India?
Thanks,
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I was thinking the same thing. I would imagine the answer is yes. Especially on the UA flight to Dubai which is very expensive virtually year round.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 30):
Will be interesting to see if AF will send the A380 to IAD as planned this summer or downgrade freq or even the aircraft.

Thenoflyzone

I hope the A380 stays but I can't imagine it being needed outside of the April-Aug time frame. Summer travel and students are a big market heading direct to Paris from the USA. I really don't know if its in needed in Fall/Winter.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:38 am

The current EY head of planning was the VP of planning at pre merger UAL...   
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013

Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 10):
A more in-depth article source with direct quotes from Hogan

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...8672/

I love the ambiguity of the quote:

Quote:
Etihad plans to install a vice president in the US capital city by April

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