Luftymatt
Posts: 382
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:27 pm

EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:34 pm

U2 flights to the IOM from LPL have been running for a while now. This seems an odd route to do with an A319, surely too much aeroplane for this route? How can a jet make money on this route, or is it subsidised? If it is subsidised, why? It's not like there aren't flights to the IOM from LPL already, BE serve the route with a good frequency from LPL.
Don't get me wrong I'm glad EZY are on this run, it just seems an odd route for them.
chase the sun
 
Cipango
Posts: 1451
Joined: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:55 pm

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:35 pm

They're in direct competition with BE on this route also.
Let's fly! Unless it's on a CRJ 200, then I'll stay down here.
 
Luftymatt
Posts: 382
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:27 pm

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 1):

Yep, I stated that above.
chase the sun
 
richcandy
Posts: 623
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2001 4:49 pm

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Hi

I am not sure if this is still the case but the Isle Of Man used to have different tax rates than the UK mainland. For that reason a lot of banks, business and insurance companies had off shore operations there. As a result of this fares to the IOM tended to be high, as a lot of the traffic was in that sort of industry.

I am guessing that Easyjet have been able to attract some of those corporate passengers and a lot of locals to the extent that their are filling fights to a reasonable level and making money.

Alex
 
edina
Posts: 555
Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2003 3:51 am

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:18 pm

Don't forget that the competition here is also the IOM Steampacket which operated daily from Liverpool city centre to Douglas in 2hrs 30min.....it may take longer, but the 850 pax Mannanan fast craft has more convenient departure points for most pax.
Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
 
PlymSpotter
Posts: 10014
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:32 am

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting LuftyMatt (Thread starter):
U2 flights to the IOM from LPL have been running for a while now.

That tells you they are doing alright at least.

It's a very short rotation to IOM and back, BE were getting a decent yield by all accounts, so makes perfect sense. They only need to have an aircraft and crew available for a couple of hours in the schedule to operate this short route, so I expect it makes use of otherwise dead time. I flew it back in 2010 and there was no cruise, just a nice big arc in the sky as we went straight into descent from ascent.


Dan  
...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
 
Luftymatt
Posts: 382
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:27 pm

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting richcandy (Reply 3):
I am not sure if this is still the case but the Isle Of Man used to have different tax rates than the UK mainland. For that reason a lot of banks, business and insurance companies had off shore operations there. As a result of this fares to the IOM tended to be high, as a lot of the traffic was in that sort of industry.


Very true, I hadn't thought of that  
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
That tells you they are doing alright at least.


Maybe, maybe not, depends if the flights are subsidised.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
I expect it makes use of otherwise dead time


Good point, it might be a good earner for all I know  
chase the sun
 
PlymSpotter
Posts: 10014
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:32 am

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 6):
Maybe, maybe not, depends if the flights are subsidised.

They are not to my knowledge. But even if they were it's irrelevant, a subsidy is still revenue.


Dan  
...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
 
User avatar
eurowings
Posts: 536
Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:40 pm

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:41 pm

The route can support 2 carriers. The North West of England, and particularly the port city of Liverpool has very strong links to the Isle of Man and it's a popular option for islanders to access mainland Britain via Liverpool port or LPL. During the TT, traffic also increases massively. It's also a very short rotation for the EZY LPL base, which allows revenue to be squeezed out of a short time period.

MAN, LPL and BLK all support 3 to 5 daily flights to the Island. There is a market for tourism, locals accessing the UK and beyond for various reasons and a business market due to the island's attractive tax rates.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 6):
Maybe, maybe not, depends if the flights are subsidised.

They aren't subsidised. I don't know what kind of deal they have at Ronaldsway Airport, but I don't think it is much better than what BE get. I believe BE may have the Isle of Man hospital patient transfer contract on their flights to LPL.

[Edited 2012-02-23 14:47:02]
"Freddie Laker may be at peace with his Maker, but he is persona non grata with IATA."- HRH Duke of Edinburgh
 
rutankrd
Posts: 2613
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:08 am

RE: EZY Flights To IOM From LPL

Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:53 pm

There is no PSO or RDF funding for Isle of Man services as far as i know.

Only Highlands and Valley- Cardiff are PSO granted.

I believe this Easy service is largely a filling rotation for an aircraft that otherwise would be sitting at Speke in the afternoon.