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Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:19 pm

UAL currently flies many 757-200's to LHR. Is this really the best use for valuable slots at LHR and a congested airport like EWR?


Are there any plans to upgrade these flights to 787 once UAL has acquired a decent amount?

Does UAL plan to grow EWR traffic by upgrading aircraft size?
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting aquablue (Thread starter):
Does UAL plan to grow EWR traffic by upgrading aircraft size?

Over the long-term, this is the only possible solution. But an airline like United has tremendous flexibility. They have MANY regional flights to move around, so it's going to be a while before they are forced to upguage for capacity reasons alone. They could operate multiple daily EWR-LHR on 757s for quite a while if they so desired.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
Over the long-term, this is the only possible solution. But an airline like United has tremendous flexibility. They have MANY regional flights to move around, so it's going to be a while before they are forced to upguage for capacity reasons alone. They could operate multiple daily EWR-LHR on 757s for quite a while if they so desired.

I'm guessing the OP is talking about switching to 3-class planes.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting aquablue (Thread starter):
UAL currently flies many 757-200's to LHR.

4 757s and 1 777.

Quoting aquablue (Thread starter):
Are there any plans to upgrade these flights to 787 once UAL has acquired a decent amount?

Yes, was mentioned in the Wall Street Journal interview with CO's Chief 787 pilot.

Quoting aquablue (Thread starter):
Does UAL plan to grow EWR traffic by upgrading aircraft size?

Already doing that, replacing 50 seat ERjs with 70 seat Q400s, CR7s and ERJ-170s.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):

Is there not enough demand to offer 767 flights to LHR rather than 757?

Many people don't like the 757 long distance because they find them cramped. Is this really the best strategy to compete with BA and VS? who are using wide bodies?

[Edited 2012-02-24 13:28:22]

[Edited 2012-02-24 13:33:15]
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:30 pm

EWR-LHR is one of the most popular routes from the NYC area. If UA wants to have it the way it is as 4 757s and 1 777 that should be fine. I think UA should use a 3 class 777 config rather than a 2 class 777 config. In addition to the 3 class 777, they might cut one of the 757s and use a 3 class 767. There are many people who will pay for First Class to LHR.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 5):

How can they compete with BA and VS with a 757 though. Many people loath narrow body planes transatlantic. Why can't they fly 4 flights with a 777 and 3 767/787?

Will we see a 787 on this route?

[Edited 2012-02-24 13:35:47]

[Edited 2012-02-24 13:36:44]

[Edited 2012-02-24 13:46:38]
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting aquablue (Reply 6):

Frequency, service and loyalty programs are what appeal to the business traveler, not neccessarily aircraft size. I've flown Business First and coach many times on CO 777s and 757s transatlantic. Once you sit down in your seat, the ride is exactly the same.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:59 pm

Apparently once the 787 are in full swing EWR-LHR is supposed to get one.

Otherwise I'm surprised they haven't at the least put a 3 class 763 on the route yet. But I guess high yield destinations such as BRU, ZRH, EZE and IST take precedent from EWR.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:00 pm

Most people couldn't tell the difference between a 757, 767, and 777. On the inside they're basically the same. The 757 on EWR-LHR isn't a issue to 99% of customers.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
But I guess high yield destinations such as BRU, ZRH, EZE and IST take precedent from EWR.

That, and the fact that a 752 lacks the range for EZE, IST, etc. from EWR.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:06 pm

Quoting Termbewr (Reply 7):
Frequency, service and loyalty programs are what appeal to the business traveler, not neccessarily aircraft size. I've flown Business First and coach many times on CO 777s and 757s transatlantic. Once you sit down in your seat, the ride is exactly the same.

BA has First class.
BA has more flights.
BA has all widebody while UA/CO is mostly 757s.
BA definitely has better service.

Which leaves only the loyalty program where UA/CO might even be able to compete. They need to do better.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:14 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has First class.

Truth.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has more flights.

Yep.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has all widebody while UA/CO is mostly 757s.

Truth but if UA/CO is making money with their 757's why stop flying the '57's out there

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA definitely has better service.

Never flown BA so I can't comment.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):

I agree.

They should really upgrade the aircraft to a 767.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 12):

Why can't UA make money on a larger plane and BA can?
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:24 pm

It's funny CO has the 787 chief pilot talking out of this butt. He doesn't make the decisions to fly that frame. It'll be years before you see that from Newark to Heathrow. However, this summer with the Olympics the frames will upgauge to LHR from EWR. You'll see the 777 more than 1x daily.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has First class.
BA has more flights.
BA has all widebody while UA/CO is mostly 757s.
BA definitely has better service.

No, no, no and no.

I go to the UK at least once a month for work and there is little difference on a 6 hr flight to LHR. BA is a lot of fluff. They lost a lot of the glamor in the last 4-5 years with the economy. CO in their stupid named hybrid biz/first is just as good. Let me know when you've flown both on a regular basis and can make a legit comment on the matter. I have flown both and do regularly.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 10):

None of those destinations would be appropriate for the 757 even if it had the range. They lack premium seating.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 15):

Seems that UA Bizfirst, BA's F, AA's J, and DL BizElite are practically on the same level anyway. Pick your poison, as they say.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:47 pm

BA service is not better than UA anymore. I fly them several times a year, there is no validity to that claim.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):

BA does have First Class and CO does not. However, with regard to major corporate contracts, many companies prohibit First Class travel but permit Business Class on flights over 6 hours, which CO offers. I agree though that CO in-flight service, particulaly in coach, can use some polish.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:21 am

Folks, if BA was killing UA on the EWR to LHR run due to larger a/c and/or "posh" biz/first class service, UA would've upgauged their service/aircraft to compete. These decisions are scrutinized by bean counters up one side and down the other. They now have the a/c to move three class a/c to EWR if they felt the need.

Basically, its you lot that are upset about the 757's. They have the range, they offer nose to tail avod and do everything that a 747 does on that route with one less aisle (and ofc a few less lavs   )
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting PVG (Reply 17):
BA service is not better than UA anymor

It definitly has slipped at F J and Y over the years, but I do think it is a tad nicer than any US carrier

Quoting Termbewr (Reply 18):
many companies prohibit First Class travel but permit Business Class

There are a lot more business travels that can book international F than you would think. If you are on the upper end of middle management or better at the big banks or bulge bracket consulting firms, then there is a good chance they allow them to buy F. First class is often to reward the elites that are buying J tickets as on AA and UA they can use a system wide upgrade to move into first.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):
Seems that UA Bizfirst, BA's F, AA's J, and DL BizElite are practically on the same level anyway. Pick your poison, as they say.

BA's F is far far better than AA, UA, and DL's J product. I will agree BA's F product is not what it is like 5 years ago or more, but BA has far better food and booze than any of those and the seat is much bigger. Also I would say BA's concorde room at LHR for F pax is possibly the best airline lounge in the world (SQ has that Private dining room that might be better I have only seen a few pictures of it)
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:12 am

Quoting aquablue (Thread starter):
UAL currently flies many 757-200's to LHR. Is this really the best use for valuable slots at LHR and a congested airport like EWR?

Are there any plans to upgrade these flights to 787 once UAL has acquired a decent amount?

LHR is far more congested than EWR. AA and BA dominate NYC-LON and UA cannot upguage to 772s or even 763s without crashing yield. At the same time, they need to offer frequencies and squat on LHR slots so the 757s will stay for a while. In the long term however, I cannot see how they will be competitive with AA if they do not offer 3-class service on EWR-LHR. Most of the connecting traffic to LHR is routed through IAD and they may shift some seats from IAD-LHR to EWR-LHR.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 19):
if BA was killing UA on the EWR to LHR run due to larger a/c and/or "posh" biz/first class service

Let's not forget they're based at different ends of the route: BA has corporate contracts in London and UACO in NYC. Admittedly there may be some cross-over, but they're probably not stepping on each others toes too much at the pointy end...
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 15):

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has First class.
BA has more flights.
BA has all widebody while UA/CO is mostly 757s.
BA definitely has better service.

No, no, no and no.

I go to the UK at least once a month for work and there is little difference on a 6 hr flight to LHR. BA is a lot of fluff. They lost a lot of the glamor in the last 4-5 years with the economy. CO in their stupid named hybrid biz/first is just as good. Let me know when you've flown both on a regular basis and can make a legit comment on the matter. I have flown both and do regularly.

I've flown CO's BF a few times, including CO's longest flight, and it's a nice seat but the service is nothing to brag about (i.e. just par for the course).

I'm saying those things as a CO gold tier - I want UA/CO to excel, but I'm realistic about their weaknesses too. I'm not proposing to go all 777s for the sake of it, but at least bring some flights to 3-class level and bring others to 767 level. I'd pay good money to avoid the 757 (up to 8 hours on the westbound).
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has First class.

Do people actually pay for first class on a short hop like NYC-LHR or is it all people using miles to upgrade from J.

I know that it the route links two of the most important business centres on the planet, but it seems an awfully short route for first class to make sense.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
Do people actually pay for first class on a short hop like NYC-LHR or is it all people using miles to upgrade from J.

I know that it the route links two of the most important business centres on the planet, but it seems an awfully short route for first class to make sense.

Apparently big enough for BA alone to offer close to 100 F seats each way, every day. Apparently big enough that it's one of the only 2 routes that sustained Concorde service till the end.

UA/CO doesn't need to offer that many. 6F on 767 or 8F on 772 suffices.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:33 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
Do people actually pay for first class on a short hop like NYC-LHR or is it all people using miles to upgrade from J.

Plenty, think of all the people that make over million dollar salaries, a 15K ticket to them is not all that much. I have a couple friends in investment banking and some of their more upper managers (not even executive level) will get F on company travel.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 26):
Plenty, think of all the people that make over million dollar salaries, a 15K ticket to them is not all that much. I have a couple friends in investment banking and some of their more upper managers (not even executive level) will get F on company travel.

I suppose so, I just find it odd in these days of shrinking budgets that companies would still be prepared to pay for F over J on a route that seems to be barely 8 hours or so.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 9):
The 757 on EWR-LHR isn't a issue to 99% of customers.

I agree. I would say 99.99+% of people at least. The 757s have nice businessfirst seats and in coach who cares. Its not like the widebodies give you more seat room or anything.

I am sure CO/UA has decided that frequency is the important factor here and the 757 helps them to maximize profits. Just because they coudl fill a 767 or 777 doesn't mean that the 757 isnt making more money overall and allowing them give away less seats for bargains just to fill them.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:47 am

Single aisle transatlantic won't be a big deal until it's a big deal.

It's time for an airlines to promote something like ;

'2 aisles across the atlantic.....extra space we give you to stretch - now everyone can spread on the aisles'

American customers are familiar with narrow bodies across the America.
They will experience the double aisles aircraft when they travel internationally.
Well, not even to Canada and Mexico nor on 757 across the atlantic.
So chances are, less people know and be familiar with double aisles aircrafts.

Let make it big deal by brought up the topic on American media. Then they will all know and it will be another story.

The concept is totally different on flights intra asia where you get 747s, 777s, 330/340s, 380 etc for 2-3-4 hours flight.
So customers who travel frequent intra asia would feel cramp on single aisle aircraft, and hence, ignore when there are chances.

But then, I think majority of air travel passenger pick flights according to time and price, the most they know is probably a boeing or airbus they are flying. They are not airlines freak like us here.
And we are perhaps only 10% of all air travellers.

So 757 over the atlantic would still be the norm, until it's not.
...only if the media start bitching about it.
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:01 pm

EWR is a capacity controlled airport, and so is LHR. It is only a matter of time until UA upgrades EWRLHR flights. I mean we have to look at this long term.

However while completing the entire merger situation, I am sure they have many issues needing attention.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Quoting aquablue (Thread starter):UAL currently flies many 757-200's to LHR.
4 757s and 1 777.

The reason they fly 4 757 is the fleet mix Continental has. They need the longer range 767 & 777 for other routes, since the 757 can fly from Newark to LHR they use them there. CO didn't have too many 764er's or 777. When the 787 arrives, EWR to LHR probably will see it.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:12 pm

Quoting PVG (Reply 17):

BA service is not better than UA anymore. I fly them several times a year, there is no validity to that claim.


Totally Agree. BA had a 4-5 Star airline in the 90's-Early 2000's. They use to offer a high class product with excellent customer service. Since their cost cutting methods they are comparable to UA . UA with their newer planes might beat BA. At least UA allows passengers to have advance seat assignments.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:01 pm

Goodness, I always thought the 777 I saw over there at T4 was from EWR. I always forget about IAH.

When does UA move CO ops to Terminal 1? Earlier this month that had not yet happened.

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 5):
I think UA should use a 3 class 777 config rather than a 2 class 777 config.

Which configuration will win out in the long run. UA has two class 777s mostly for Hawaii but the first class seats are domestic class. I suspect that some of CO's 777s get the UA 2 class and some get the UA "4" class configuration.

Quoting PVG (Reply 17):
BA service is not better than UA anymore.

I would agree comparing all four classes of service expect World Traveler Plus and Economy Plus. BA wins hands down there and the extra cost is worth it.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
Do people actually pay for first class on a short hop like NYC-LHR or is it all people using miles to upgrade from J.

Well, miles plus and/or a co-payment are a tangible form of payment, but I know what you mean.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 27):
I suppose so, I just find it odd in these days of shrinking budgets that companies would still be prepared to pay for F over J on a route that seems to be barely 8 hours or so.

I've often thought the same thing but then I considered my own experience. My clients are mostly private firms. Private firms are the vast majority of businesses around the world. The owner will often pay for Business or First (usually business - nowadays first is only for ego, not comfort). It is still their money but it can be claimed as a legitimate business expense if the trip is for business. Many private firms have multiple owners so the pool is quite large.

BTW, in the U.S. and many other regions of the world corporate budgets are growing. Technically the recession ended a couple years ago. Don't believe what you see in advertising and the press. This has been a very very slow rebound but all of the firms I work with are quite busy and growing as is everyone in their supply chain. If we can get our own government debt and budget issues addressed this could be a nice long ride, especially when Europe joins in.
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:24 pm

Yeah also as said LHR is close enough to the Northeast that this route is pretty reliable so a good place to put the 757. This is not a route where the 757 is being pushed to its limits
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:04 pm

Continental's fleet today its use of 757 is a consequence of new routes and post 9/11 planning. Back in 2001 no one knew LHR was going to open up and CO cancelled some 764ER orders after the 9/11 events. Its been 10 years since CO ordered smaller the 777 long haul planes and late 787 don't help. The 757 is just what is available for LHR. Houston "Does't have a problem" they get only 777 to London.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):
Continental's fleet today its use of 757 is a consequence of new routes and post 9/11 planning. Back in 2001 no one knew LHR was going to open up and CO cancelled some 764ER orders after the 9/11 events. Its been 10 years since CO ordered smaller the 777 long haul planes and late 787 don't help. The 757 is just what is available for LHR. Houston "Does't have a problem" they get only 777 to London.

CO was the first airline based in the U.S. to order the 787. Had Boeing delivered as originally promised, CO would have somewhere between 15 and 20 787's by now. The 757's would likely have been moved to other routes and the 787's would be plying TATL routes, Africa and thinner destinations in the Pacific.

CO was squeezed more than a lot of airlines by Boeing's failure in delivering the 787 as promised. They had a high wide body utilization rate and very little slack in their schedule. As a result, they wound up pushing the 757 to the limit simply because they had no choice.

From IAH, CO (now UA) has flown both the 777 and 764 though currently only flies the 777.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):
Continental's fleet today its use of 757 is a consequence of new routes and post 9/11 planning.

CO began flying 757s on Trans-Atlantic routes back in 1995, I specifically can recall an interview with Gordon Bethune in the late '90s when they launched their EWR Global Gateway Terminal expansion where he stated CO would eventually fly to somewhere between 25 and 30 Trans-Atlantic routes with 757s from EWR. It's always been in their plans to fly Trans-Atlantic with 757s.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):
Back in 2001 no one knew LHR was going to open up and CO cancelled some 764ER orders after the 9/11 events. Its been 10 years since CO ordered smaller the 777 long haul planes and late 787 don't help. The 757 is just what is available for LHR. Houston "Does't have a problem" they get only 777 to London.

CO converted the additional 764 orders to additional 777 order. Originally CO only had 8 777s and 26 764s on order, they took less 764s and more 777s which allowed them to undertake in their Asian expansion from EWR (NRT, HKG, PVG, PEK, BOM, DEL, TLV 2x).

in 2008 CO ordered an additional 8 777s, which would have brought their 777 fleet to 26, to make up for the loss of capacity from the 787 delays. This was after they got access to Heathrow airport. By 2009 they ended up canceling all but two of the 8 777s, converted to additional 737s, due to the economic crisis in late 2008.

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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:24 pm

Not to bring up all this again, but BA from JFK and UA from EWR are NOT competing for all the same market. EWR and JFK cover different areas, with the only primary overlap being Manhattan below 59th street. There is a huge market that BA can only get with its *two* flights from EWR, and a huge market UA will never get unless they flew the route out of EWR.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
Which leaves only the loyalty program where UA/CO might even be able to compete. They need to do better.

And, for the many, many, many *A loyalty members who want to fly from the NYC metro to London... who are they going to take?

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 20):
If you are on the upper end of middle management or better at the big banks or bulge bracket consulting firms, then there is a good chance they allow them to buy F.

Please point me to the firms that do that, I would dearly love to apply. All of the financial firms I know have been cutting back on ability to even fly J class.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 25):
Apparently big enough for BA alone to offer close to 100 F seats each way, every day. Apparently big enough that it's one of the only 2 routes that sustained Concorde service till the end.

Again, they're largely drawing from different areas, you can't pretend that all of those 100F seats are competing for business with UA from EWR.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 29):
2 aisles across the atlantic.....extra space we give you to stretch - now everyone can spread on the aisles'

Wait, what? How does have two aisles help me at all? It's not like I can "spread out" in the aisles, when any attempt to do so will result in frequently getting slammed into by service carts and pax going to the lav...

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 30):
EWR is a capacity controlled airport, and so is LHR. It is only a matter of time until UA upgrades EWRLHR flights. I mean we have to look at this long term.

Agreed. This is one of the reasons I remain optimistic that we may see a UA 748 before the decade is out. EWR can't handle the A380, so to upsize capacity on routes with limited slots, once they're filling a 777, there's only going to be one option. May be enough for a subfleet of 10 eventually, when the 744's are gone.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 19):
Basically, its you lot that are upset about the 757's. They have the range, they offer nose to tail avod and do everything that a 747 does on that route with one less aisle

This is true IMHO. A narrowbody with a decent business class product isn't a bad ride. I've flown CO's international business class B/F product on the 757 and enjoyed it thoroughly. The seat contained everything I needed. I don't recall the food or beverages, which means it was passable. I am not one who looks to an airline for a fine dining experience.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 20):

I think that the BA C class product is dated. The IFE is poor, and the staff can often be rude depending on the day. It is simply not true that they offer a better product than UA. I agree that their 1st class lounges at LHR are superior to almost any lounge that I've been in.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:34 pm

Is it not possible for UA aircraft to be used from EWR yet? If so, couldn't they transfer some 767's from UA's network to EWR ?
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting aquablue (Reply 41):
Quote:

Is it not possible for UA aircraft to be used from EWR yet? If so, couldn't they transfer some 767's from UA's network to EWR ?

PMUA aircraft are flying EWR-BRU (777), EWR-ZRH (763) and soon EWR-EZE. They also have a PMUA 763 operating IAH-LIM.

Also EWR-IST launches this Summer with a 3 class PMUA 763. So obviously UA does not see the urgency to replace the 757s to LHR.

[Edited 2012-02-25 10:08:12]

[Edited 2012-02-25 10:09:50]
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:19 pm

I fly to LHR from NYC all the time!!! For years! At least 6 times if not 10 times a year. Most times I am in full fare business. I actually enjoy the 757 on United, especially with CO food which I actually look forward to. It has (to me) an exclusive feeling in BF. I can think of 2 dishes on CO that rival any decent restaurant- I am not kidding!

On the 757 in a United BF seat (agree: stupid and dated name). Sometimes if the trip was a rough business trip I will use a systemwide to First which is one of my favorite seats ever. But I normally use systemwide upgrades for Asia.

I'm sure United knows why they do this. I'm sure they don't say "oh, just put a 757 on that route" but a time will come where Corp contracts will insist to on a competitive First Class compete with BA and AA which has much more wobbly service on board than UA. I love BA. I have flown them many times and love their 747's a lot because nothing feels better to me than a 747. But at the director level jobs sweeten the job offer by adding First Class travel on long hauls.

But United has a very good First Class suite. It just needs CO food and FA's who care about being upfront. If I was a FA in First I'd make sure my 12 pax were taken care of. I'd do everything I could. And all but once I have gotten great service on United First.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting nycdave (Reply 38):
EWR can't handle the A380,

What is the limiting factor?
...are we there yet?
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 44):
What is the limiting factor?

I believe the taxiways are to close together.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 20):
Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 20):
BA's F is far far better than AA, UA, and DL's J product. I will agree BA's F product is not what it is like 5 years ago or more, but BA has far better food and booze than any of those and the seat is much bigger. Also I would say BA's concorde room at LHR for F pax is possibly the best airline lounge in the world (SQ has that Private dining room that might be better I have only seen a few pictures of it)

BA F is way above the J products mentioned, it's also better in soft product than AA F. However, I have no objection to my annual trip on UA/CO BF on a 757, it's a pretty good J product, probably better than many. If UA/CO want to use their slots at LHR for 757's, I'd assume they know what they are doing.

The Private Room at SIN is very nice, but seemed a bit too formal, but it was rather a quick visit, ask me again after Christmas.

However, there's a little place in FRA called the First Class Terminal which is in my opinion, better than than the Concorde Lounge and the First Class Lounges at FRA and MUC aren't too shabby either.
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:00 am

Personally, I quite like the 757 over the Atlantic - fewer PAX - shorter waiting times in the airports (the same reason why I would choose a 773 over an A380 from Europe to Asia), and no noticeable difference in service between the 757 and wide bodies (at least in coach where I spent most of my flights).

EWR-LHR is IMHO all about offering flexibility of timing, and minimising connection times at either end first, and then thinking about aspects such as equipment choices...
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting aquablue (Reply 4):

Is there not enough demand to offer 767 flights to LHR rather than 757?

Correct. JFK siphons off most of the Manhattan traffic.

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 9):
Most people couldn't tell the difference between a 757, 767, and 777. On the inside they're basically the same.

Yeah.... except that the 757 is much narrower and only has 1 aisle. Other than that, they're identical.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
BA has First class.
BA has more flights.
BA has all widebody while UA/CO is mostly 757s.

Yes, yes and yes.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
Which leaves only the loyalty program where UA/CO might even be able to compete. They need to do better.

I reallly can't comment on the UA/CO service (your last point) but I agree with you that BA first is excellent.
 
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RE: Will UAL Upgrade EWR-LHR?

Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:34 am

I wonder what type of upgauge we'll see in August for the Olympics. Surely, at least all 767's on the LHR runs, if not larger? The capacity and pricing have to be there.

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