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Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:41 pm

Does anyone know anything of a new fuel surcharge that EK will be implementing in the coming days? I'm planning a trip and don't see anything on the EK website.

I can't find anything online apart from this link (German only)
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:00 pm

I do not know about Emirates but flydubai introduced a fuel surcharge on the 25th January, 2012. It was €25 per segment.
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:02 pm

I hope this is just an untrue rumour. I find it pretty ludicrous that an airline wholly-owned by an OPEC nation has the fortitude to charge anyone a fuel surcharge.
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:03 am

According to the only link I could find in English using Google News, the surcharge will being on March 1st. It will be $15 for economy class passengers travelling to Africa/Americas/Europe/South Asia Subcontinent & Indian Ocean. The charge for those in business class will be $55. No mention of first class. Beginning March 7th fares to all destinations, and in all classes with the exception of New Zealand, will increase between $30 and $300.

The last time they introduced a fuel surcharge in April of 2011 it was short lived. However its removal within a mouth can be credited to the reduced price of oil. The last surcharge ranged from Dh40 to Dh640 for economy class depending on the flight.



Hopefully someone will have more official information on the matter.

Link:
http://www.impactpub.com.au/aircargo...ontent&task=view&id=9137&Itemid=60

[Edited 2012-02-27 17:04:28]
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:22 am

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 3):
According to the only link I could find in English using Google News, the surcharge will being on March 1st. It will be $15 for economy class passengers travelling to Africa/Americas/Europe/South Asia Subcontinent & Indian Ocean. The charge for those in business class will be $55. No mention of first class. Beginning March 7th fares to all destinations, and in all classes with the exception of New Zealand, will increase between $30 and $300.

So is the fuel surcharge a temporary thing to be included in the basic fare increase or will we see it remain in place?

Personally I am in favour of the 'all in' pricing system. Just bundle all 'non-optional fees' into the air fare. 20 years ago your ticket covered fuel surcharge, baggage allowance, check in fee, card charge, wheelchair fee, seat selection, onboard food and air fare.
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:39 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 4):
So is the fuel surcharge a temporary thing to be included in the basic fare increase or will we see it remain in place?

it will be temporary till oil prices ease up

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
find it pretty ludicrous that an airline wholly-owned by an OPEC nation has the fortitude to charge anyone a fuel surcharge

Well yet again you harp on that misconception. the airline buys oil on the same commercial rates, there is no subsidy.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 4):
20 years ago your ticket covered fuel surcharge, baggage allowance, check in fee, card charge, wheelchair fee, seat selection, onboard food and air fare

20 years ago oil was not $120
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
that an airline wholly-owned by an OPEC nation

Except of course that Dubai is not an OPEC nation but part of the UAE. EK is owned by a government entity of Dubai, not of the UAE, where Abu Dhabi owns the overwhelming majority of oil deposits. Oil production in Dubai has been falling in recent years and accounts for less than 5% of Dubai's revenues. Of Course production of oil does not equate to production of aviation fuel. But you know this already.

EK does not get its fuel directly from the government of Dubai. Fuel is sourced from all five suppliers that serve Dubai International Airport: BP, Shell, Chevron, ENOC and Emojet – a joint venture between Emarat and Exxonmobil. Outside of Dubai, Emirates’ main fuel suppliers are also Exxonmobil, BP, Shell and Chevron. Somehow, I don't see these companies giving away freebies.

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 3):
No mention of first class.

The German link indicates that the fuel surcharge levied on Business Passengers will also be levied on First Passengers at the same rate.
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
I hope this is just an untrue rumour. I find it pretty ludicrous that an airline wholly-owned by an OPEC nation has the fortitude to charge anyone a fuel surcharge.

They are in the market to make money just like any other airliner. Regardless of how much oil they have in their backyard, they still have to pay for it and we all know gas price have been shooting up in the sky lately.
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:09 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 4):
Personally I am in favour of the 'all in' pricing system. Just bundle all 'non-optional fees' into the air fare. 20 years ago your ticket covered fuel surcharge, baggage allowance, check in fee, card charge, wheelchair fee, seat selection, onboard food and air fare.

I think most airlines like to have the surcharge separate. If the surcharge were included in the fare the airlines would have to pay commission to agencies based on that surcharge.
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:22 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 4):
20 years ago your ticket covered fuel surcharge, baggage allowance, check in fee, card charge, wheelchair fee, seat selection, onboard food and air fare

20 years ago oil was not $120

You're missing the point here - why put all these surcharcharges and fees separately and not include them in the ticket since you have no choice but to pay them. Next thing there will put a fee for fees...
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:28 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
I hope this is just an untrue rumour.

Like the untrue rumour that EK gets all its fuel for free?   

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
I find it pretty ludicrous that an airline wholly-owned by an OPEC nation has the fortitude to charge anyone a fuel surcharge.

I find it pretty ludicrous that this myth persists, but there you go.

It's always disappointing when the cost of something goes up, but the way fuel prices are going, we'd better get used to it.
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 10):
Like the untrue rumour that EK gets all its fuel for free?
Quoting scbriml (Reply 10):
I find it pretty ludicrous that this myth persists, but there you go.

Please don't insult my intelligence, I know they don't just get handed fuel by the government. Obviously I should have been more detailed in what I wrote because it seems several have read too far into my comment, so I'll expound:

I think it would be incorrect to think that being situated within a major oil-producing nation (UAE is in the top 10) where the oil extracted is refined right in their backyard didn't yield significant cost savings. There are costs up and above that of the product itself, namely logistics. A little anecdote for you: the summer after my second year of university I secured a position with a friend's Dad's steel company in Toronto, where I would be purchasing steel off the open market. It quickly became clear that I made significantly larger margins on steel purchased from Hamilton, Ontario (an hour away) as opposed to steel I purchased from the southern United States or Russia, despite the going market rate being equal. Why? Well it costs significantly less to acquire something from the next town over than it does from a different country, where transportation costs, tariffs and fees will come into play. This is where I make my point that it is odd that an airline based right next door to the fuel (priced by the market as it may be) will add a fuel surcharge when they can so acquire it more easily thus having great cost efficiencies. Whereas an airline like Qantas, who is based in a country producing oil at a fraction that of the UAE, is more reasonable to charge additional fees for fuel considering a great deal needs to be imported.

Quoting ABpositive (Reply 9):
You're missing the point here - why put all these surcharcharges and fees separately and not include them in the ticket since you have no choice but to pay them. Next thing there will put a fee for fees...

It's for advertising purposes. Why advertise at full price when you can just advertise the base fare and then include the fees at checkout when the customer has to pay? A number of countries have made it a requirement to advertise fares inclusive of all fees and surcharges so that the customer knows what they are paying upfront.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 6):

Very interesting. Thanks for the breakdown.
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:04 pm

Made an online booking thru EK website for travel DXB-MNL mid March. Round trip cost me AED 3000 approx USD 815. No mention of any Fuel surcharge in the ticket. I hope they dont dump that onto us during check in!

Flydubai is charging fuel surcharge. air arabia does not and does not have any plans in the near future according to a recent interview by its CEO. I m not sure... but i don't think Etihad charge any fuel surcharge as of now as well.
 
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:35 pm

In Denmark the new fuelsurcharge is imposed on bookings as from 01Mar 12.

Around dkk 150 per booking.
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RE: Emirates Fuel Surcharge

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 4):
So is the fuel surcharge a temporary thing to be included in the basic fare increase or will we see it remain in place?

The fuel charge I'm sure could be removed at a later date. As mentioned above Emirates briefly had a fuel surcharge last year and removed it when prices went down. As for the fare increases that might be a different story.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 11):
Quoting ABpositive (Reply 9):
You're missing the point here - why put all these surcharcharges and fees separately and not include them in the ticket since you have no choice but to pay them. Next thing there will put a fee for fees...

It's for advertising purposes. Why advertise at full price when you can just advertise the base fare and then include the fees at checkout when the customer has to pay? A number of countries have made it a requirement to advertise fares inclusive of all fees and surcharges so that the customer knows what they are paying upfront.

WestJet747 is right. Airlines, and I'm sure travel agents as well, would prefer to advertise lower fares. It gets more interest from potential customers. Recently Canada became one of the countries requiring airlines to advertise the all in price.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 12):

Made an online booking thru EK website for travel DXB-MNL mid March. Round trip cost me AED 3000 approx USD 815. No mention of any Fuel surcharge in the ticket. I hope they dont dump that onto us during check in!

I believe it will only apply to bookings made after March 1st. So there would be no mention of it on your ticket.
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