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When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:28 am

Does anyone know when Aeroflot will retire the last IL-96 from service?

(AFAIK they have several orders for widebodies and I guess the new planes have better fuel efficiency for a similar capacity, so the most reasonable move should be the retirement of this 4 engined gas guzzler.)

Any info will be appreciated.

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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:19 am

Honestly, I thought it was supposed to be retired at least a year ago, maybe two... Long ago, at any rate.

From an enthusiast's standpoint it's a cool airplane, but it is thoroughly anachronistic in the fleet of a modern global airline. I don't even think SU has IFE on these birds, though I'm pretty sure CU has it on its examples.
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:36 am

Just out of curiosity, how bad is their fuel burn compared to say, the 767/777 or A330/340? I've seen/read numerous times about how they are complete gas hogs (and the Il-86 was even worse), but I'm just curious  
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:47 am

I guess once they start taking deliveries of their ordered aircraft 777-787-350 they will be gradulally phasing out IL-96s and B-767s.
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:26 pm

Does the IL-96 have any potential as a freighter conversion? Would the conversion cost be prohibitive and, assuming the conversion cost isn't too high, would it be cost effective to use the airplane as a freighter?
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:32 pm

I always thought SU keeps the IL96 for political reasons as they are required to have a certain number of Russian build aircraft in their fleet, or am I wrong on this one ?
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 5):
I always thought SU keeps the IL96 for political reasons as they are required to have a certain number of Russian build aircraft in their fleet, or am I wrong on this one ?

You are absolutely correct. Thats why they also Ordered the Superjet 100.

But how bad is the IL-96's fuel burn compared to say... A330/340 or even 767?
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 1):
I don't even think SU has IFE on these birds, though I'm pretty sure CU has it on its examples.

Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

So I guess you had more than enough time to write a trip report?  
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

Hmm, OK. I was pretty sure I saw photos of a CU Il-96 cabin with IFE but maybe not. Or maybe they're not all the same.

So when do we get to read the TR?  
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

Hi Soren,

What routing did you fly and can we expect a trip report?  


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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:24 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 8):
So I guess you had more than enough time to write a trip report?
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 9):
So when do we get to read the TR?
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
What routing did you fly and can we expect a trip report?

It was on Cubana's MAD-HAV service.

Great to see so much interest in a TR! I'll write one right after I finish the even more interesting report about a domestic flight on an AN24 in Cuba last week. I'll keep you informed!

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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
It was on Cubana's MAD-HAV service.

Brilliant! It sounds like an unforgettable experience and trip of a lifetime - I can hardly wait for that trip report. 

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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
Great to see so much interest in a TR! I'll write one right after I finish the even more interesting report about a domestic flight on an AN24 in Cuba last week. I'll keep you informed!

Something to look out for, thanks a lot Birdwatching!  

I really like the shape of th IL-96, pity she isn't more popular.
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
Great to see so much interest in a TR! I'll write one right after I finish the even more interesting report about a domestic flight on an AN24 in Cuba last week. I'll keep you informed!

I am really looking forward to that.

My best friend is in Cuba for the next ~4 months but flying exotic aircraft is not as high priority for him as it would be for me, but if he does take domestic flights it is my job to find the most interesting ones. I will definitely send this to him once you've written it.  
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:53 pm

These planes look so disproportionate with the length of the fuselage compared to the width. Then you have the engines which look too close together.


Here is a video of one landing at SVO.
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity, how bad is their fuel burn compared to say, the 767/777 or A330/340? I've seen/read numerous times about how they are complete gas hogs (and the Il-86 was even worse), but I'm just curious

I don't have the numbers, but from what has been told on various Russian aviation forums, the fuel consumption per se is not that bad. The main problem is the cost of maintenance. With such a small fleet of IL-96's flying, the supply chain for spare parts is very weak so SU has to keep a huge stock of spare parts on their own, at a price.

As for passenger comfort, indeed, they don't have in-seat IFE, but the seats themselves are quite comfortable (especially after the refurbishment SU has made some years ago), and the seat pitch is generous.


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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:22 pm

If you fly J on those birds, do you get a handheld IFE device? I would find it hard to believe they would sell a medium/long haul flight J ticket without some form of IFE....

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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 9):
Hmm, OK. I was pretty sure I saw photos of a CU Il-96 cabin with IFE but maybe not. Or maybe they're not all the same

Well, according to this video I found on YouTube, there are provisions for IFE (aisle-mounted LCD panels) on at least some of their IL-96 fleet, but as seen in the video, they weren't powered up. So the answer may be both yes (they have IFE) and no (they don't use it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mbv4Ez-Mzw&feature=related
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:06 pm

Hi,
Not sure about the fuel economy on the IL-96, but don't thinks it is too bad. I flew it twice back in april-2009 from Moscow(SVO) to Bangkok (08:30) and Hanoi - Moscow(SVO) in 10:25, quite a long trip westbound.
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Nice, comfy ride, I was in business-class. No IFE as such, but you had the option of a hand-held device with movies etc.
I did not take it, flying the IL-96 was enough entertainment! (plus a good book..)
As far as i know, also the only 4-engine A/C apart from the A380 that never had a crash..?

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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting willyknut (Reply 19):
As far as i know, also the only 4-engine A/C apart from the A380 that never had a crash..?

The A340 has never had a fatal crash, Air France (who else) wrote one off in Toronto in summer 05 but managed not kill anyone.

And actually the Il-86 never killed a passenger, just had that one accident on a positioning flight in 2002 which killed most of the crew; no passengers onboard.

Does the 747SP count? Or the 747-300?
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:33 am

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 6):
Thats why they also Ordered the Superjet 100

By all accounts, the SSJ is quite a capable and competitive aircraft. I doubt that they were bought for purely "political" reasons. In fact, SU seems to be ordering more of them, including some of the prototypes.
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting willyknut (Reply 19):
As far as i know, also the only 4-engine A/C apart from the A380 that never had a crash..?

A340 also never had a fatal accident, all big accidents of the A330/340-family have been with twinjets.
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:49 am

The CEO of SU once commented that they could give SU more IL-96 free and it would still be less economical to operate than the western types.
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting a300 (Reply 21):
y all accounts, the SSJ is quite a capable and competitive aircraft. I doubt that they were bought for purely "political" reasons. In fact, SU seems to be ordering more of them, including some of the prototypes.

True, however their first 5 planes are going to be replaced with newer SSJ's down the line as per a clause in the contract. They ended up not fully meeting the grandiose promises of Sukhoi in terms of performance. (Although this is absolutely normal for an airliner that the first frames are a little worse in terms of performance than later ones.)
But right now SU doesn't really care and want to take all the frames they can get to boost capacity.
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting flashmeister (Reply 18):
Well, according to this video I found on YouTube, there are provisions for IFE (aisle-mounted LCD panels) on at least some of their IL-96 fleet, but as seen in the video, they weren't powered up. So the answer may be both yes (they have IFE) and no (they don't use it).

CU has even exterior camera on the nose landing-gear!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgfsXiEBjs&feature=related
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 25):
CU has even exterior camera on the nose landing-gear!

what other planes/airlines have this feature? its great..
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:20 pm

Saw RA-95006 at Goa a week ago (23.02.12) operating a charter from Moscow. Obviously used on charters or less business conscious routes.

They did visit LHR until a few years back - don't think we get any Russian build airliners on schedules in the UK now - other than the AN-148s at LGW - but not seen one of those yet.
 
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RE: When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 1):
From an enthusiast's standpoint it's a cool airplane, but it is thoroughly anachronistic in the fleet of a modern global airline. I don't even think SU has IFE on these birds, though I'm pretty sure CU has it on its examples.

Hmmm, this video implies that the LCD screens are at least in place. Clearly, however, you can see that they're not in use. Overall, looks like a pretty miserable experience despite the inordinately ("spacious") high cabin ceiling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mbv4Ez-Mzw&feature=related

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