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Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:53 am

With the launch of Virgin Atlantic's new A330-300 G-VRAY in April - with 3 class cabin set up, does anyone think we will see a launch livery like this one .....



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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:56 am

I didn't even know they joined Star Alliance.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:00 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 1):
I didn't even know they joined Star Alliance.

They haven't yet - I am just putting it out there for discussion .....

I think Star Alliance would definately be their first choice - they already code share with 9 members & with Singapore Airlines owning 49% in VS - it would be the logical choice ....
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:23 am

I would guess that if any Virgin airline joins an alliance, they will all join at the same time. At one stage it looked like Star was the logical choice but VA appears to have entered partnerships with a number of airlines without any clear pattern. They currently have partnerships with:

NZ (Star) Joint venture on Trans-Tasman as well as NZ owning equity in VAH.
SQ (Star) Joint venture on a number of Asian services but not Europe
EY (No Alliance) Extensive codeshare on European services and likelihood of EY acquiring equity in domestic VA.
DL (Skyteam) Joint venture on Trans-Pacific
HA (No alliance) Partnership between Australia and Hawaii
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:23 am

Well, in any case, joining Star Alliance takes time, so it will definitely not be a launch livery. But in any case, I hope you are right, some people complain that Star Alliance becomes too big, but as a predominantly star alliance flyer, I say the more the merrier.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting virgincrew (Thread starter):
With the launch of Virgin Atlantic's new A330-300 G-VRAY in April - with 3 class cabin set up, does anyone think we will see a launch livery like this one .....

Nice pic......

And if they do join *A, I think DEN needs to be the first destination of this plane. The traffic's there, and the new UA/CO had a seasonal flight, but then stopped it because they thought that they could make more $$$$ elsewhere, so...... But it would be perfect for this plane.

  

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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:05 am

looks so nice, think you should forward the pic to VS and get SRB and them thinking more! would be a nice fit into Star!!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 3):

NZ (Star) Joint venture on Trans-Tasman as well as NZ owning equity in VAH.
SQ (Star) Joint venture on a number of Asian services but not Europe
EY (No Alliance) Extensive codeshare on European services and likelihood of EY acquiring equity in domestic VA.
DL (Skyteam) Joint venture on Trans-Pacific
HA (No alliance) Partnership between Australia and Hawaii

Well, still looks like 2:1 for Star... Could VA replace DL JV with UA?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 7):
Well, still looks like 2:1 for Star... Could VA replace DL JV with UA?

VA/DL JV is valid for 3 years. I would imagine anything material would not happen at least after 3 years.

What did VA see in DL that UA couldn't offer?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 7):
Could VA replace DL JV with UA?
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):
VA/DL JV is valid for 3 years. I would imagine anything material would not happen at least after 3 years.

UA has a JV (or something similar) with LH for TATL, but they could have two, I guess, or just create one for LHR/MAN.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
UA has a JV (or something similar) with LH for TATL, but they could have two, I guess, or just create one for LHR/MAN.

We're talking trans-pacific here. DL and Virgin Australia have a joint venture, not VS. Virgin Australia was mentioned as many believe that if one Virgin airline joins star, then the rest do as well.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:58 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
We're talking trans-pacific here. DL and Virgin Australia have a joint venture, not VS. Virgin Australia was mentioned as many believe that if one Virgin airline joins star, then the rest do as well.

A JV between UA and VA, or even UA, VA and NZ, could work.

Was not UA and NH working on a JV?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:03 am

Whatever VS does I hope it does it fast.

It's about time they conceded to the inevitable instead of just moaning about it.

Who knows...maybe then even I'll start taking them seriously !

  
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:43 am

I think Virgin Group will just end up forming their own alliance - then cherrypicking the best fits amongst the non-aligned carriers out there, ie: EY.

VS, Virgin Australia, Virgin America, Etihad, perhaps Air Hong Kong/Hainan? 9W?

Could work.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:12 am

I am not so sure VS is that great a fit to Star. Out of LHR, their back yard what do they bring to thr table. TATL is pretty much covered by UA. Sure VS has JFK but thats no enough to be accepted by an alliance alone and of course UA are at EWR. Going East from LHR, again, what do they offer thats not covered in terms of major destinations and would have Star jumping for them.

I think if VS had to go with any alliance ST would make more sense, so they could buddy up with DL and form quite an operation at LHR to start with.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:55 am

VS going east from LHR they have routes to Japan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing will follow next year, and they seem to be making themselves known at MAN with there A330's so when BD dies this year this would be a great fit for STAR with an English airline in the group, they can't really leave that gap screwed because BD dies.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):
What did VA see in DL that UA couldn't offer?

UA's reputation in Australia is poisonous. Even people on lowish incomes saving for their first trip to Disneyland look down on the idea of spending 26 hours in Economy class on the only carrier with no seatback video. United survive only by virtue of their locked-in contracts in the USA which fill many of the seats, but their share of the Australian market is very much the Ryanair end of the market.

Borghetti has been trying to nudge Virgin upmarket, not for the glory but because the profits are higher in higher-yielding demographics. Delta has a decent trans-Pacific product, whereas United's reputation could not be lower at the Australian end. And that's why United SYD-LAX in Business Class is locked in at less than $4900 return with corporate contracts, whereas Qantas corporate rates are just over $6000 and Virgin's are the same.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 15):

VS going east from LHR they have routes to Japan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing will follow next year, and they seem to be making themselves known at MAN with there A330's so when BD dies this year this would be a great fit for STAR with an English airline in the group, they can't really leave that gap screwed because BD dies.

I am not sure why you think BD ceasing means VS needs to join Star. If anything as is clear, BD ceasing means VS needs an alliance more than prehaps an alliance needs it. Of the three routes you have named above, only one, Shanghal is not offered non stop from LHR on current Star carriers. Again, I reiterate VS IMHO does not bring much to the Star table, especially at LHR.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 14):

I am not so sure VS is that great a fit to Star.

Perhaps, but I tend to look at Virgin in a broader view, with VA/DJ and perhaps VX as well. If Star see it as a package deal, they might want to get back into the Australian market, after the loss of Ansett. NZ wouldn't be against it, as VA are already a partner. Seeing as the Australian economy is quite strong as well, the alliances might be quite interested into getting an Australian carrier.

That does not rule out Skyteam either, they could benefit from an Australian partner as well. So in the case of the package deal, I would think both alliances would be interested in Virgin. As for Virgin themselves, I think they would benefit personally from Star more, especially VA, as it could mean a loss of the close partnership of NZ, and the partnership with SQ which was seen locally as a great partnership depicting Virgin's move into the premium market.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:53 pm

The truth is that any alliance would be in a very powerful position to dictate terms to the bearded billionaire, not vice versa.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
VS, Virgin Australia, Virgin America, Etihad, perhaps Air Hong Kong/Hainan? 9W?

A Virgin alliance is something that sounds great in theory but in realty would be worthless; the synergy between the Virgin Airlines is just not strong enough to carry an alliance (VX for example, flies mostly to cities that VS already flies to as well, and has poorly positioned hubs for domestic connections). No European presence sans LHR, a worthless domestic US presence, let alone the rest of North America, virtually no presence in South America and Africa. Why would ET, 9W, Hainan Group choose that over an existing alliance?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:44 pm

I'm sure LH will welcome VS to Star Alliance with open arms!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting virgincrew (Thread starter):
With the launch of Virgin Atlantic's new A330-300 G-VRAY in April - with 3 class cabin set up, does anyone think we will see a launch livery like this one .....

That looks pretty good! Bet that would look even better on one of the 747's!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 21):

I'm sure LH will welcome VS to Star Alliance with open arms!


If that were the case LH wouldn't be going full steam ahead with IAG for BD.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 21):
I'm sure LH will welcome VS to Star Alliance with open arms!

Yep, that's exactly why LH slapped VS in the face with BD... a warm welcome.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic & Star Alliance

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
The truth is that any alliance would be in a very powerful position to dictate terms to the bearded billionaire, not vice versa.

I'd almost pay good money to listen to that conversation.
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