nitrohelper
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Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:45 am

I was looking at the satellite view of the Mojave area and was surprised to see that most of the aircraft are gone. Anybody know what has changed during the last couple of years?
Are Victorville , Pinal and Roswell the main storage now, or is there a new parking area somewhere else ? I know that there are other scrapers around, but I'm asking about short and long term storage.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:19 pm

VCV seems to be getting most of the aircraft. I have no idea why, maybe VCV is cheaper.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:48 pm

I drove that way to Phoenix a few weeks ago and it appeared a number of frames that HAD been there were gone. I suspect that they met the scappers torch and are well on their way to a new life.

There were quite a few that certainly had no realistic prospect of ever flying again.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:55 pm

I'm surprised how many DL L1011's are still in VCV. What are they waiting for?
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:04 pm

With metal prices high, I would imagine the scrappers aren't dragging their feet.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:08 pm

I saw some programmes on Discovery channel about a company dismantling old aircraft. Must be a booming industry, as so many aircraft have been retired and many more to come. Must be thousands of aircraft...
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:25 pm

Economy in the US is going back to normal....

Prices of biz jets are up by a 20% in the last 2-3 months.

When prices of biz jets and boats rise, you have a hint...

When they go low... you have a hint...

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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:15 pm

Keep in mind you can't just pull off the plastic, start them up and fly away. Aircraft in storage will need to go through a Return to Service check and the longer they are in storage the more you need to do. That plus any required AD's that might have come up, plus any time controlled items all need to be addressed before flight.
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:16 pm

Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 3:27 PM


There are two main storage areas here – items that may well fly out on the NW side and older, more derelict items on the NE side of the airport. I have only shown airliners and biz-jets and excluded the various military jets around these areas.

Main Ramps

N140SC 1011 Orbital Sciences

N306SW 737 Southwest – being removed from storage

Main Gate

(N810NA)CV880

NW Storage

C-GAUH 767 ex Air Canada ‘603’

C-GAUN 767 ex Air Canada ‘604’

C-GAUS 767 ex Air Canada ‘606’

C-GAUU 767 ex Air Canada ‘607’

(C-GAUW) 767 ex Air Canada ‘608’

C-GDSS 767 ex Air Canada ‘614’

C-GPWA 767 ex Air Canada ‘671’

EC-HVZ A300 ex TNT

G-CEAE 737 ex European

I-DAWC MD-80 ex Alitalia

N111JX 111 corporate – no engines

N124TN A300 ex TNT

N305SW 737 Southwest

(N352CC) 737 Novair – no engines

N616NW DC-9 ex Northwest – new colours – no engines

N618NW DC-9 ex Northwest

N621NW DC-9 ex Northwest

N632CC 737 white

N825BX DC-8 ATI

N882JM DC-9 white with blue rudder

N917RW DC-9 ex Northwest – old colours – no engines

N920RW DC-9 ex Northwest – old colours – no engines

N2101R A300 ex TNT

N883JM DC-9 white with blue rudder

N927L DC-9 ex LAPA or Austral ? – no engines

OO-TZA A300 ex TNT

OO-TZB A300 ex TNT

OO-TZD A300 ex TNT

NE Storage

(C-FTMB) DC-9 ex Air Canada ‘727’

C-FTMC DC-9 ex Air Canada

C-FTME DC-9 ex Air Canada

C-FTMT DC-9 ex Air Canada

C-FTMU DC-9 ex Air Canada

(C-FTMV) DC-9 ex Air Canada ‘747’

(C-FTMW) DC-9 ex Air Canada ‘748’

C-GUPW 737 ex Air Canada

(C-GVPW) 737 ex Air Canada

G-BUSB A320 ex British AW - hulk

G-BUSE A320 ex British AW - hulk

I-DAWU MD-80 ex Alitalia

N31CX DC-8 ATI

N94SW 737 ex Southwest – tan colours

N105SW 737 ex Southwest – tan colours

N125AA DC-10 ex Hawaiian – many parts missing

N133NK DC-9

N136AR C-133 ex USAF

N152AA DC-10 ex Hawaiian – many parts missing

N201AR C-133 ex USAF

N288BA 747 ex ANA

(N424GC) G1159

N313UA 737

N399NV DC-9

N454PC 707 red tail

(N510AU) 737 ex US Airways – many parts missing

N510US G1159

N515US 757 Ex Northwest – new colours

N527AU 737 US Air

N606DL 757 ex Delta - fuselage

N660AF G1159

N706PC 707 white

N707CA 707

N716SA 747

(N723SA) 747 silver, ex JAL Cargo - many parts missing

N729SA 747 ex KLM / Air Algerie

N730SA 747

N740SA 747 Southern Air

N746SA 747 white – partial logo on rudder – no engines

N752DA 1011 ex Delta

N798SA 747 white – no engines

N803ME MD-80 ex Midwest – many parts missing

(N805ME) MD-80 ex Midwest – cockpit cut-off alongside

N808AL 737 Aloha

N815AJ CV880 ex TWA

N815SA 747 ex Cathay Pacific – no engines

N818SA 747 white – no engines

N823AL 737 Aloha – retro colours

N824AL 737 Aloha

N829BX DC-8 BAX

N856V DC-10 white – many parts missing

N857V DC-10 white – many parts missing

N858V DC-10 white – many parts missing

(N930LS) G1159

N934AS MD-80 ex Alaska

N938MC MD-80 ex Continental

N1444N Fk100 ex American

N1445B Fk100 ex American

N12349 737

N16807 MD-80 ex Continental

(N37)077 DC-10 ex Continental

(N37)078 DC-10 ex Continental

OB-R-765 CV990

XA-AGS DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-CSL DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-GDL DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-LAC DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-LMM DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-RKT DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-RNQ DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-RRY DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-RXG DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-SWH DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-SYQ DC-9 white – AeroMexico rudder

XA-UEL 737 ex Aerotropical

DC-9 ex NDC

MD-80 ex Northwest – new colours

CRJ ex Delta

Plus various cut-up airliner sections

This is the latest update on Mohave that I have from Cactuswings. Does this help, ( I know it is two years old).
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 8):
N306SW 737 Southwest – being removed from storage

Thanks so much for this wonderful update....do we know where this a/c is headed to?
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:24 am

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=306SW

http://www.socalspotters.net/forum/6-socalspotting/647-mojave-storage

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/F...nforcement%20letter%20to%20ATC.pdf

My guess is that following WN's maintenance problem that plans to return N306SW to service were cancelled. I think that it remains at Mojave and is being parted out. The fact that the registration has not been cancelled suggests that it has not been scrapped yet. OH Capital Assets are the current owners.

http://www.ohcapitalassets.com/teardowns.php
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:44 am

Looking at last summer's images I don't see a lot of changes from years past. Has there been a recent push to scrap?

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 8):

Thanks for the list. I drove by there in August of 2010 and took quite a few pictures. That will help me identify more airframes.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting N471WN (Reply 9):
Thanks so much for this wonderful update....do we know where this a/c is headed to?

Did a quick google search and as of June 2011,N306SW has been scrapped.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dc-10forever/5943842644/
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:45 am

The poster asked if they are going somewhere else, and, yes, some are...

The UK is growing it's storage and recycling business. Though it can't compete with the dry Southern CA air, take a look at Air Salvage in the UK. Some great photos...

Air Salvage have scrapped the Air France 744s, easyJet 737-700s... They are based at Kemble, UK:

http://www.airsalvage.co.uk/portfolio.asp

Also, some aircraft are stored in France at Lourdes (search in the photos), Roswell, Boca Raton, Goodyear Phoenix,Chateauroux (France)

Some links:

http://www.chateauroux-airport.com/i...5:la-maintenance&Itemid=66&lang=en

http://www.aeroturbine.com/productss...roservices&subcategory=mroservices
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 8):
C-GAUN 767 ex Air Canada ‘604’

The "Gimli Glider" - I'm somewhat surprised this plane isn't sitting in a museum somewhere in Canada, considering what it's been through...
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:16 am

Who pays for the planes to be "stored"? I was under the impression that airlines normally don't buy the planes but rather lease them from companies like CIT, ILFC, Aviation Capital Group, etc. The major carriers obviously own their 20-25 year old metal but upon removal from the fleet must an airline like Delta pay to park the plane? How much would this cost and what is the alternative?
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 8):
...latest update on Mohave ... from Cactus wings. ( I know it is two years old)....

The number of aircraft on this list is much larger than now shows on the current satellite photos. I find it hard to believe that so many were scrapped based on the removal rate over the previous years. Plus new arrivals used to offset the scrapped.
I thought that maybe Mojave was now doing away with storage.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:29 am

I did not know they were moving out the planes from Mojave.

Back in 2009, The airline owners were putting pressure on the Mojave tour guides to prohibit spectators from taking media. Apparently too many of visitors were taking photographs or videos and then posting them on the internet. Either maliciously or with good intent, it must have been bad for marketing.

http://www.airportspotting.com/mojave-bans-photography/

P.S. I doubt, Javier is still working there.

[Edited 2012-02-28 19:54:41]
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting rightrudder (Reply 17):
Back in 2009, The airline owners were putting pressure on the Mojave tour guides to prohibit spectators from taking media. Apparently too many of visitors were taking photographs or videos and then posting them on the internet. Either maliciously or with good intent, it must have been bad for marketing.

Back when I went on the tour around '05 , I could take all the pics I wanted ,inside the van. Got to go up in the tower,too. Now,why bother ,unless you're in the area.
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 15):
Who pays for the planes to be "stored"?

The owners. Whether that be an airline or a leasing company.
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 16):
I find it hard to believe that so many were scrapped based on the removal rate over the previous years. Plus new arrivals used to offset the scrapped.

There are very few new arrivals into MHV. With the exception of the TNT A300's and some Southern Air 747's I have not seen many that come in. Up here VCV pretty much sees the only arrivals of aircraft coming in for storage.

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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 8):
N934AS MD-80 ex Alaska

What is the status on this one? I figured that Justice would take some of AS's old MD's. I know Justice does have at least a few of them from AS. Will 934 ever fly again?
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:29 am

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-49235.htm

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=934AS

Well, it was RTL in 2007, and is now owned by Skybus LLC, and looks like a candidate for parting out.

http://www.skybususa.com/

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19990205-0

Possibly this incident in 1999 affected the aircraft longer term, MX hog?.

My guess is that the aircraft is still at Mohave.
 
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RE: Mojave Storage Gone?

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:41 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 22):
Well, it was RTL in 2007, and is now owned by Skybus LLC

Wait, isn't this the SAME Skybus that went SkyBust a few years ago.....?

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 22):
Possibly this incident in 1999 affected the aircraft longer term, MX hog?.

I thought that was aircraft 949AS that was the MX hog, IIRC.... 949 was one of the first MadDogs phased out at AS.
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