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JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:08 pm

I looked and didn't find anything on this story. I guess most are following the developements of the E-170 landing at EWR with no nose gear extended.

But this story is also out of the PANYNJ, but at JFK and seems to be a not so funny story for at least one couple who lives on L.I., in the town of Malverne, NY.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/...lavatory-leak-from-overhead-plane/

Anyone in the NYC area have any info on which airplane and airline that may have 'dumped' on this poor couple?
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:32 pm

to be honest; you would probably never find out which aircraft this fell from.

Hire a cleaning crew and claim it on your taxes.
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:08 pm

There's one way to tell which aircraft it came from.....Maybe it leaked the whole flight, just have to follow a trail.

I'm kidding, of course, but an interesting incident. As the article asked, I wonder if the tanks were already at maximum capacity before the aircraft departed?
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:26 pm

Well, from someone that has dumped his share of lavs in his time, I don't understand what this substance is. The only thing I've seen "leak" from the lavs is the blue juice and even that wouldn't be all that much. There's no way for the crew to "dump" the lavs in flight. If the a/c still uses the "donut" style valves, sometimes the fluid will leak out past the donut, but I can't imagine enough being there, even if the lavs are full, for this to happen and, as I said, I can't imagine what this "black/greenish oily" substance could be.
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:31 pm

I can exclusively reveal it was an Air France A380.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:11 pm

the only way I think this could actually be lav waste is if the doughnut was left on the ground and the plane departed.. otherwise, as stated, pilots cant dump lav from the cockpit, let alone in flight. lav dump is part of line service..

on a side note, there is NOTHING worse than opening the hatch before taking out the doughnut..
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting khpn (Reply 5):
on a side note, there is NOTHING worse than opening the hatch before taking out the doughnut..

Sometimes, the upline station liked to play a trick on you by putting the donut back in, and then pulling the dump valve. If you just removed the donut instead of hooking up the hose, first, you got a big, smelly, surprise.  
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:38 pm

Maybe an AF pilot requested an air wash  
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting khpn (Reply 5):
on a side note, there is NOTHING worse than opening the hatch before taking out the doughnut..
Quoting mayor (Reply 6):
Sometimes, the upline station liked to play a trick on you by putting the donut back in, and then pulling the dump valve. If you just removed the donut instead of hooking up the hose, first, you got a big, smelly, surprise.

If anyone reading this is just starting out as a ramper, read the above quotes. Then read them again.

Luckily, not too many planes have donuts anymore (at least that I know of?)...
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:55 pm

Not a good week for JFK in the local news here. There has also been coverage of local communities saying that the FAA and PANYNJ have not made good on a promise of keeping overnight noise levels down due to an increased usage of the 22's which swings the planes inland over western Suffolk county and Nassau County....
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:04 am

This seems to happen every so often...a chunk of blue ice falls from an a/c over LI...a Google search should bring up a few of them over the last decade or so...."shit happens" lol couldn't resist....   
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:58 am

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 8):

Luckily, not too many planes have donuts anymore (at least that I know of?)...

Different system, now?

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 10):
This seems to happen every so often...a chunk of blue ice falls from an a/c over LI

Usually, you got the chunk of blue ice when the donut didn't seal correctly and the blue juice, slowly, leaked out, usually at altitude, where it froze and built up a large chunk, outside the access door and either fell off OR made it all the way to the next destination.
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:19 am

I would just say its hydraulic fluid, and call it a day. It could be a small possibility that the lav holding tank blew, and the blow-off released out the side of the plane. I have a picture of one of World's MD-11s coming here into Tampa with that issue, talk about a streak of bad luck  
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 9):

You know we could try those nose dive near kami-kazi approaches; but gosh darn it... the pilots and passengers tend to make a bit more noise than the aircraft, while screaming in fear.

What can you do?

Any approach into the area affects different communities.
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting mmedford (Reply 13):
You know we could try those nose dive near kami-kazi approaches; but gosh darn it... the pilots and passengers tend to make a bit more noise than the aircraft, while screaming in fear.

What can you do?

Any approach into the area affects different communities.

I was on a flight recently and couldn't believe how long they kept us up at cruise altitude. We crossed over JFK at around FL180 (based on the moving map) and freakin were like a lawn dart from that point on coming into 4R. But anyway, in reference to the the issue at hand on the news lately, you can't do much. The weather and the other 2 airports kind of dictate what runways are being used. You're going to go over someones house no matter what runway is getting used though. Hell, I'm all the way out in W. Babylon and they're going right over me when the 22s are in use...I don't complain (then again, I love the sound of a jet passing over).
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:53 pm

Hey, shit happens.  
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:30 pm

There have been big enough leaks in the past to take out an engine. An AA 727 lost one engine over New Mexico when the blue ice fell off and got sucked in.
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 11):

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 8):

Luckily, not too many planes have donuts anymore (at least that I know of?)...

Different system, now?

Only the older 737s still rolling around have donuts - the ramp FNGs that are soiled with the vacuum systems don't know of the glory of the donut, and the games that can be played.
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 11):
Different system, now?

Different systems, but also different A/C types that didn't have them to begin with.
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting deltadudejg (Reply 12):
I would just say its hydraulic fluid

SKYDRAUL is a skin irratant, it really is nasty stuff, much worse than getting $h!t in your face.
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 16):
There have been big enough leaks in the past to take out an engine. An AA 727 lost one engine over New Mexico when the blue ice fell off and got sucked in.

Are you sure of that? IIRC, the access panel to dump the rear lavs is to the rear and under #1 engine on a 727........the blue ice would have to be like Seinfeld's "one magic loogie" to get sucked into that engine.  
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:34 am

There were at least 3 of these incidents (I.e. engine loss from ingestion of blue ice) involving 727s. Here's a link about one, on NW.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/05/us...nds-after-an-engine-drops-off.html

[Edited 2012-02-29 20:36:19]
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:45 am

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 18):
Different system, now?
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 18):
Different systems, but also different A/C types that didn't have them to begin with.

I work more on the private side so i cant really speak to commercial planes, but most of the time there is simply no doughnut and you hook up your waste hose then dump the tank.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 8):
If anyone reading this is just starting out as a ramper, read the above quotes. Then read them again.

now read it again. You dont even know.
There was a thread within the past year or so about jokes ramp staff play, the gate extender is my personal favorite, and thankfully, i had read the thread before starting on the ramp.
 
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RE: JFK Departure 'dumps' On Long Island Couple

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:05 am

Quoting khpn (Reply 22):
now read it again. You dont even know.
There was a thread within the past year or so about jokes ramp staff play, the gate extender is my personal favorite, and thankfully, i had read the thread before starting on the ramp.

Lets see....there's the "bin stretcher", bucket of "prop wash", etc., etc.


Luckily when I started with DL, I had just gotten out of the Air Force, so I was already familiar with variations of these.

Quoting khpn (Reply 22):

I work more on the private side so i cant really speak to commercial planes, but most of the time there is simply no doughnut and you hook up your waste hose then dump the tank.

Well, it's been awhile since I dumped any lavs, and we still had 727s with "donuts" back than. I believe the 757 had donuts, too.
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