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OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:04 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


AA JFK-YYZ JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
*AA ORD-HNL AUG 1.0>0.6 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.3

AB JFK-BER NOV 0>0.4
AB JFK-DUS NOV 0>0.6
AB MIA-BER NOV 0>0.4
AB MIA-DUS NOV 0>0.6
AB RSW-DUS NOV 0>0.4

AC LGA-YYZ NOV 12>13

AM FAT-GDL APR 0.5>0.7
*AM IAD-MEX MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

NOV 0>1.0
AM LAS-MTY MAY 0.5>0.4
AM LAX-GDL MAY 3>2
AM MIA-CUN MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.3
AM ONT-GDL MAY 0.5>0.9 JUN 0.8>1.0
*AM ORD-GDL MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

NOV 0.7>0
AM ORD-MEX MAY 1.9>1.7 JUN 2>1.8
AM ORD-MTY JUN 0>0.5
AM SAT-MTY MAY 0.6>0.8 JUN 0.6>0.7
AM SMF-GDL MAY 0.4>0.5

DL ATL-LEX JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-SDF JUN 9>10 JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10
DL DTW-ATL JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11
DL MSN-MSP JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL SLC-OKC MAY 1.8>3

This is what G4 published. There is always great debate about its accuracy.
G4 ABE-MYR AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 ABE-PIE AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 ABE-SFB AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 ATW-AZA AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 ATW-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AVL-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-BIL AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-BIS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-BLI AUG 0.5>0.1
G4 AZA-BZN AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-CID AUG 0.6>0.2 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 AZA-COS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-DLH AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-EUG AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-FAR AUG 0.6>0.2 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 AZA-FNL AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-FSD AUG 0.6>0.2 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 AZA-GFK AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-GRI AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-GRR AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-GTF AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-ICT AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-IDA AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-LAS APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.6>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.7>0.5

SEP 1.7>0.1 OCT 1.6>0.2 NOV 1.8>0.1
G4 AZA-MFR AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-MLI AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-MOT AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-MSO AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 AZA-OAK AUG 0.9>0.5 SEP 0.9>0.1 OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1
G4 AZA-PIA AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-PSC AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-RAP AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-RDM AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-RFD AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-SBN AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 AZA-SGF AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BGR-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BGR-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BIL-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 BIL-LAX AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 BIL-OAK AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BIS-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 BLI-LAS AUG 4>1.8 SEP 4>0.7 OCT 4>0.8 NOV 4>0.7
G4 BLI-LAX AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 BLI-OAK AUG 0.9>0.5 SEP 0.9>0.1 OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1
G4 BLI-PSP AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 BLI-SAN AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BMI-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BZN-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 BZN-OAK AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 CHA-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 CHA-SFB AUG 0.6>0.2 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 CID-LAS AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 CID-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 CID-SFB AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 COS-LAS AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 CPR-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 DLH-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 DLH-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 DSM-LAS AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 DSM-LAX AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 DSM-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 DSM-SFB AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 ELM-SFB AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.4>0.2 NOV 0.4>0.1
G4 EUG-LAS AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 EUG-LAX AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 EUG-OAK AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.4>0.1
G4 FAR-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FAR-LAX AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FAR-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FAT-LAS AUG 0.9>0.5 SEP 0.9>0.1 OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1
G4 FCA-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FCA-OAK AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FLL-GRR AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FLL-GSP AUG 0.7>0.3 SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 0.7>0.2 NOV 0.7>0.1
G4 FLL-HTS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FLL-LEX AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FLL-PBG AUG 0.7>0.4 SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.7>0.2 NOV 0.7>0.1
G4 FLL-TYS AUG 0.6>0.1
G4 FNL-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FSD-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FSD-LAX AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FSD-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FWA-MYR AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 FWA-PIE AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FWA-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GFK-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GFK-SFB AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GJT-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GJT-LAX AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GRI-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GRR-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GRR-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GRR-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GSO-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GSO-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 GSP-PGD AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GSP-PIE AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 GSP-SFB AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 GTF-LAS AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GYY-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 HTS-MYR AUG 0.6>0.2 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 HTS-PIE AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 HTS-SFB AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 IAG-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 IAG-SFB AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 ICT-LAS AUG 0.9>0.5 SEP 0.9>0.1 OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1
G4 ICT-LAX AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 IDA-LAS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 IDA-LAX AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 IDA-OAK AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 ILM-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-LEX APR 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-LRD AUG 0.9>0.5 SEP 0.9>0.1 OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1
G4 LAS-MFE AUG 1.3>0.7 SEP 1.3>0.3 OCT 1.3>0.3 NOV 1.3>0.3
G4 LAS-MFR AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-MLI AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-MOT AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-MRY AUG 0.6>0.2
G4 LAS-MSO AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-OWB AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-PIA AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 LAS-PSC AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 LAS-PUB APR 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-RAP AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-RDM APR 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-RFD AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-SBN AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-SCK AUG 1.2>0.6 SEP 1.2>0.1 OCT 1.1>0.2 NOV 1.2>0.1
G4 LAS-SGF AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 LAS-SHV AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 LAS-SMX AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 LAS-TYS APR 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-XNA AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-MFR AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-MSO AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 LAX-PSC AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-SGF AUG 0.5>0.2 SEP 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.4>0.1
G4 LAX-XNA AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LEX-PGD AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 LEX-PIE AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LEX-SFB AUG 0.4>0.1
G4 LRD-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MBS-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MFE-SFB AUG 0.7>0.4 SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 0.7>0.2 NOV 0.7>0.1
G4 MFR-OAK AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MLI-PIE AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MLI-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MSO-OAK AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 MYR-YNG AUG 0.6>0.2
G4 OAK-RDM AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 OWB-SFB AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.2 NOV 0.4>0.1
G4 PBG-PIE AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.4>0.2 NOV 0.4>0.1
G4 PBG-SFB AUG 0.7>0.5 SEP 0.7>0.3 OCT 0.7>0.3 NOV 0.7>0.3
G4 PGD-TYS AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PHF-SFB AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 PIA-PIE AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 PIE-RFD AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 PIE-ROA AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PIE-SBN AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 PIE-SGF AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 PIE-TOL AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PIE-TRI AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PIE-TYS AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 PIE-YNG AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 RFD-SFB AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 ROA-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 SBN-SFB AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 SBY-SFB AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 SFB-SGF AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 SFB-SHV AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 SFB-TOL AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 SFB-TRI AUG 0.5>0.1
G4 SFB-TYS AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 SFB-XNA AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.1 OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1
G4 SFB-YNG AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1

LA MIA-BOG SEP 1.3>1.4

That didn't last long at 2 RTs
*NK AZA-LAS MAY 2>1.1 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
Wow
*NK FLL-SJU MAY 1.9>1.1 JUN 1.9>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0

*OR LAX-AMS JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.1
*OR MIA-AMS MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.2
*OR OAK-AMS JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>0.1

OZ MSP-ORD APR 1.0>0

SV JFK-JED APR 0.6>0.7 MAY 0.6>0.7
SV JFK-RUH APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.1

TG LAX-ICN APR 0>0.6

TJ ACK-HPN APR 0.3>0.2 JUN 3>0.9 JUL 3>1.1 AUG 3>0.9 SEP 3>1.0 OCT

3>1.0 NOV 3>0.9
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:05 pm

TJ ACK-TEB JUN 3>0.8 JUL 3>1.0 AUG 3>0.8 SEP 3>0.9 OCT 3>0.9 NOV 3>0.8
TJ SJU-SBH APR 1.7>14 MAY 0.9>5 JUN 0.8>1.7
TJ STT-SBH APR 0.1>0.7

UP JAX-NAS JUN 0>0.1

US DCA-YHZ JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1
US PHL-MKE MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4

These are YOY changes for the combined FL/WN
WN ABE-MCO AUG 2>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.2>0
WN ABQ-LAX OCT 4>3
WN ABQ-LBB AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ABQ-MAF AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ABQ-MCO AUG 1.1>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ABQ-PHX AUG 9>8 SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
WN ABQ-SEA OCT 2.0>1.0
WN ABQ-SLC AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ATL-AUA AUG 0.3>0.7 SEP 0.3>0.8 OCT 0.3>0.7
WN ATL-AUS AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
WN ATL-BMI AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
WN ATL-BWI AUG 7>9 SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8
WN ATL-DEN SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
WN ATL-FNT OCT 3>2
WN ATL-HOU SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
WN ATL-HPN AUG 3>1.0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
WN ATL-IAD AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 3>0
WN ATL-LAX AUG 5>4
WN ATL-LGA SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
WN ATL-MCO AUG 12>10
WN ATL-MDW AUG 8>9 SEP 7>8
WN ATL-MSP AUG 5>4
WN ATL-NAS SEP 0.9>1.1 OCT 0.9>0.7
It just occurred to me that these basically swapped
*WN ATL-ORF AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
*WN ATL-PHF AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0
WN ATL-PHL AUG 6>5
WN ATL-PHX AUG 2>3 SEP 1.8>3
WN ATL-PUJ SEP 0.8>1.3 OCT 0.9>1.5
WN ATL-SDF AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
Less ATL>West
*WN ATL-SEA AUG 3>1.4 SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.6>0
*WN ATL-SFO AUG 4>3 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
WN ATL-SJU SEP 1.6>1.5 OCT 1.3>1.1
WN ATL-SRQ AUG 2>0.7 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
WN AUS-CUN AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4
WN BDL-TPA OCT 1.8>1.1
WN BNA-JAX SEP 4>3
WN BNA-SEA OCT 0.9>0
BOS loses 16 rts
*WN BOS-BWI AUG 16>12 SEP 15>11 OCT 14>10
*WN BOS-CAK AUG 2>1.4
*WN BOS-MCO AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0
*WN BOS-PHF AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
*WN BOS-PHL AUG 8>0 SEP 8>0 OCT 7>0
WN BUF-TPA OCT 1.7>1.0
WN BUR-DEN AUG 1.2>2
WN BUR-OAK AUG 13>14 OCT 12>13
WN BUR-PHX AUG 8>7 SEP 8>7
WN BWI-AUA AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
WN BWI-BDA SEP 0.8>1.0 OCT 0.7>1.0
WN BWI-CLT AUG 1.9>3 SEP 1.9>3
WN BWI-CUN SEP 0.9>1.2 OCT 0.9>1.7
WN BWI-DEN OCT 4>3
*WN BWI-FLL AUG 8>7 SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
WN BWI-GRR OCT 2>3
WN BWI-HOU OCT 4>3
WN BWI-HSV AUG 2>0.7 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
WN BWI-JAN AUG 1.4>1.0
WN BWI-LAS SEP 4>3
WN BWI-LAX OCT 1.6>1.0
WN BWI-MBJ SEP 0.7>1.3 OCT 0.9>1.5
WN BWI-MCO AUG 13>12 OCT 12>11
*WN BWI-MIA AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0
WN BWI-MKE AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
WN BWI-NAS AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.3>0.7 OCT 0.3>1.0
WN BWI-PHX OCT 3>2.0
WN BWI-PIT AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
WN BWI-SEA AUG 3>1.0
WN BWI-SFO AUG 1.0>0.4
WN BWI-SJU SEP 1.0>1.5 OCT 1.5>1.7
WN BWI-SRQ AUG 0.3>0.1
WN CAK-DEN AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
*WN CAK-LGA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
WN CAK-MDW AUG 0>1.2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>2
WN CAK-MKE AUG 1.9>0.7 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.8>0
*WN CLE-LAS OCT 1.0>0
WN CLT-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4
WN CMH-FLL AUG 0.6>0.4
WN CMH-MCO OCT 4>3
WN DAL-ELP SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
WN DAL-SAT SEP 13>12
WN DAL-STL OCT 8>9
WN DAY-DEN AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN DAY-MCO AUG 1.5>1.1
WN DEN-CUN AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
WN DEN-LGA AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
WN DEN-MDW SEP 8>9
WN DEN-MHT AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
WN DEN-MKE AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.8>3 OCT 2>3
WN DEN-PDX SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
WN DEN-PHX OCT 8>9
WN DEN-PVD AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN DEN-SEA AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
WN DEN-STL OCT 3>4
WN DSM-MDW OCT 0>2
WN DSM-MKE OCT 2>0
Swapped from CLE
*WN DTW-LAS OCT 0>1.0
*WN DTW-MCO AUG 3>0.8 SEP 1.5>0.2 OCT 1.9>0.1
WN DTW-MDW SEP 6>5
WN ELP-LAX SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>2
WN FLL-JAX AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
WN FLL-MCI AUG 0.5>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.1
WN FLL-PHL SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
*WN FLL-PHX OCT 1.0>0
WN FLL-PIT AUG 2>1.4 OCT 1.5>1.0
WN FLL-SJU AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.7
WN FLL-TPA OCT 7>5
*WN FNT-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1
*WN GRR-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 0.8>0.0
*WN GRR-TPA AUG 0.3>0.1
HRL on the decline
*WN HOU-HRL AUG 7>5 SEP 7>5 OCT 7>5
WN HOU-JAX OCT 1.0>1.7
WN HOU-MCI AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN HOU-RDU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN HPN-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN HPN-PBI AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN HSV-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN IND-PHX AUG 1.9>1.4 SEP 1.8>1.0
WN IND-RSW SEP 2>1.0
WN ISP-MDW AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0
WN JAN-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.0
WN JAN-MDW AUG 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.8>1.0
WN JAX-ORF OCT 1.8>1.0
First of several intra-Florida route to go?
*WN JAX-TPA AUG 3>0.7 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
WN LAS-ONT AUG 8>6 SEP 8>6 OCT 8>6
*WN LAS-ORF OCT 1.0>0
WN LAS-SEA SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
WN LAS-SLC SEP 7>6
WN LAS-SNA AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8
WN LAX-MDW OCT 7>6
WN LAX-OAK AUG 14>12 SEP 13>12 OCT 14>12
WN LAX-PHX AUG 11>9 SEP 11>9
WN LAX-TUS OCT 5>4
WN LEX-MCO AUG 0.8>0.4
WN LGA-PHF AUG 2>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0
WN LGA-STL AUG 0>1.3 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
WN MCI-SAN OCT 1.8>0.9
WN MCO-MBJ SEP 0.5>0.8 OCT 0.5>0.7
WN MCO-MDT AUG 1.6>0.4 SEP 0.9>0 OCT 1.2>0
WN MCO-MDW AUG 9>8
WN MCO-MKE SEP 5>3
WN MCO-MSP AUG 1.0>0.4
WN MCO-MSY SEP 4>3
WN MCO-PHF AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0
WN MCO-PHL AUG 8>7 OCT 7>6
WN MCO-PHX AUG 1.4>0.9
WN MCO-PIT AUG 6>5
WN MCO-RIC OCT 1.0>0.1
WN MCO-STL OCT 5>4
WN MCO-TYS AUG 1.0>0
WN MDW-MHT OCT 4>3
WN MDW-OAK OCT 4>3
WN MDW-OKC AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN MDW-PHL OCT 7>6
WN MDW-SMF AUG 1.9>1.1 SEP 1.9>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0
WN MDW-SRQ AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN MDW-TUS SEP 1.0>1.8
WN MKE-MSP OCT 3>5
WN MKE-PHX AUG 2>3 SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3
WN MKE-SEA AUG 3>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.0
WN MKE-SFO AUG 2>1.3 SEP 1.2>0.8
WN MKE-TPA AUG 2>1.4 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.1
WN OAK-SNA AUG 7>8 OCT 7>8
WN ONT-PHX AUG 8>6 SEP 8>6 OCT 7>6
WN PBI-TPA AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
WN PHL-RDU AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
WN PHX-TPA AUG 1.4>1.0
*WN RNO-SJC AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
WN ROC-TPA AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 0.9>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN SAN-SMF AUG 11>10 SEP 11>10
WN SAN-STL AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0.1
WN SAT-CUN AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.5 OCT 0>0.4
WN SAT-MEX AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN SAT-STL AUG 0>1.2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.9
WN SEA-SLC OCT 3>1.9
WN SFO-SNA AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
WN SJU-TPA AUG 2>1.4 OCT 1.4>1.0
WN SMF-SNA AUG 6>7 OCT 6>7
WN SNA-MEX AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN SNA-SJD AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
B6 won round 1
*WN TPA-SJU AUG 2>1.4 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.4>1.0

These are YOY changes for B6
B6 BDL-PBI AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 BDL-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 BOS-ACK AUG 0>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA AUG 1.1>0.9 SEP 0.8>0.7 OCT 0.9>0.7
B6 BOS-BUF AUG 4>5
*B6 BOS-CUN AUG 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.1
B6 BOS-DCA AUG 7>10 SEP 7>10 OCT 7>9
*B6 BOS-DFW AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
B6 BOS-IAD AUG 6>3
B6 BOS-LAX AUG 2>3
B6 BOS-NAS OCT 0>0.1
B6 BOS-ORD SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
B6 BOS-PBI AUG 3>2 OCT 3>1.7
B6 BOS-PUJ AUG 0.2>0.4 OCT 0.3>0.1
B6 BOS-SAN SEP 1.9>1.1 OCT 1.8>0.9
B6 BOS-SDQ SEP 0.6>1.0
B6 BOS-SEA OCT 1.2>0.9
B6 BOS-SJU AUG 4>3 SEP 1.8>3
B6 BOS-STI AUG 0.4>0.7 OCT 0.4>0.3
B6 BOS-STT OCT 0>0.9
B6 BOS-SXM SEP 0>0.1
B6 DCA-TPA AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 EWR-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 FLL-BUF AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0
B6 FLL-CUN SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.6
B6 FLL-DCA AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>3
B6 FLL-IAD AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0
B6 FLL-KIN AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>1.7
B6 FLL-LGA AUG 5>6
B6 FLL-NAS AUG 3>4 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
B6 FLL-RDU OCT 1.0>0.7
B6 FLL-RIC OCT 0.9>0.6
B6 FLL-SDQ OCT 1.0>0.9
NK cutting, B6 adding
*B6 FLL-SJU AUG 4>6 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5
**B6 HPN-NAS AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.6
B6 HPN-RSW AUG 1.4>1.0 SEP 1.6>1.0 OCT 1.6>0.9
B6 JAX-SJU OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-AUA AUG 2>3 OCT 1.8>1.5
B6 JFK-AUS AUG 3>2 OCT 3>1.7
B6 JFK-BDA OCT 1.0>0.9
B6
 
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B6 JFK-BDA OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-BGI AUG 1.9>1.0 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-BOS AUG 6>7 OCT 7>6
B6 JFK-BQN AUG 3>2
B6 JFK-BQN AUG 3>2 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-BUF OCT 9>8
B6 JFK-BUR AUG 3>2
B6 JFK-CLT AUG 3>2
B6 JFK-CUN AUG 3>2 OCT 1.6>1.1
B6 JFK-FLL AUG 8>7 SEP 8>7 OCT 8>6
B6 JFK-KIN AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-LIR AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.5 OCT 0>0.4
B6 JFK-LRM AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
B6 JFK-MBJ AUG 1.6>2 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-MSY AUG 2>3
B6 JFK-NAS OCT 1.8>1.5
B6 JFK-PBI AUG 5>4
B6 JFK-PLS AUG 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-POP AUG 2>1.0 SEP 1.5>1.0 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-PSE AUG 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-PUJ AUG 1.5>2 SEP 1.1>1.3 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-RDU AUG 4>2
B6 JFK-SDQ SEP 6>5
B6 JFK-SFO AUG 2>4
B6 JFK-SJU SEP 5>6
B6 JFK-SMF OCT 0.9>0.6
B6 JFK-SRQ OCT 1.6>0.9
B6 JFK-STI SEP 6>5 OCT 5>4
B6 JFK-SXM AUG 1.1>1.4 OCT 1.0>0.6
B6 JFK-SYR AUG 3>4
B6 JFK-UVF AUG 0.7>1.0
B6 LGA-PBI AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.1>1.7
B6 LGA-RSW AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 LGA-SRQ AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 LGA-TPA AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>1.7
B6 LGB-ANC SEP 0.2>0.1
B6 LGB-IAD AUG 2>1.0 SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.6>0.9
B6 LGB-LAS SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
B6 LGB-OAK AUG 3>4
B6 LGB-PDX AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
B6 LGB-SEA OCT 3>1.7
B6 LGB-SLC OCT 3>1.7
B6 LGB-SMF AUG 2>3
B6 MCO-BOG OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-BQN OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-BUF AUG 1.0>2 OCT 1.5>0.9
B6 MCO-CUN OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-DCA AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>3
B6 MCO-IAD AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
B6 MCO-JFK AUG 11>10 OCT 9>8
B6 MCO-LGA AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
B6 MCO-MBJ OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-NAS OCT 1.0>0.8
B6 MCO-PSE AUG 1.5>1.6 OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-SDQ OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-SJO OCT 1.0>0.9
B6 MCO-SJU AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 4>5
B6 MCO-SYR SEP 1.2>2
B6 PBI-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 SJU-SDQ AUG 3>5 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
B6 SJU-STT AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>1.7
B6 SJU-STX AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 SJU-SXM AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 STT-SJU AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>1.7
B6 STX-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 TPA-SJU OCT 1.7>1.5
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:19 pm

So is WN actually serving DSM or is it FL?

Looks like G4 days are numbered in Des Moines.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

It just occurred to me that these basically swapped
*WN ATL-ORF AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
*WN ATL-PHF AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0

Exactly..the ATL-ORF Market will replace the ATL-PHF market that was dropped.

WN also did this for SDF-ATL, by replacing SDF-BHM which is dropped on WN.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

DL ATL-SDF JUN 9>10 JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 LAS-TYS APR 0.3>0.1

That and 3 other LAS-XXX were completely dropped, wonder why it's still showing 0.1?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN ATL-LGA SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN CAK-LGA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2

1 each to give LGA-STL 2 Daily.

Quoting evanbu (Reply 3):
So is WN actually serving DSM or is it FL?

He put the WN code over all FL Routes to make it easier to track.

Most of the Florida routes you astericked are seasonal and will return, was covered in the WN Blog I posted in the last update.

ATL-SEA/SFO go down as they pull FL Birds to be converted and they transition to WN Only Stations, LAX, PHX, SEA and SFO will convert to WN Metal Stations by those dates.

Very Weird to see WN codes over Air Tran Routes.

SOC for WN/FL will be reached March 1st for those wondering.

Alex

[Edited 2012-02-28 13:21:04]
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:28 pm

B6:

I notice a pulldown in JFK-CLT and RDU during the summer which is odd and then I see a return to normal freq in the fall which is even more odd.

Me thinks this has to do with aircraft deliveries later in the year and a big expansion of flying (DCA and LGA) which have to start much sooner.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN BNA-SEA OCT 0.9>0

I'm assuming this is a seasonal reduction after the cruise ship season winds down.
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN DTW-LAS OCT 0>1.0

This is awesome, I've been waiting a while for this one! Will make jumpseating to west coast much easier and if I get stuck, hey, it's Vegas!
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:20 pm

G4 shows lots and lots of pull downs. I'd wait till next week to see if these are real or not.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:01 pm

WN is going to fly RDU-HOU?
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 EWR-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

This one's interesting - they're picking up the old AA flight that used to run EWR-SJU.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:08 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 9):

It was added the same time SEA-HOU was added. I believe they are both seasonal though.
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 9):
WN is going to fly RDU-HOU?

Starts Apr 22, I do believe..
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-MKE MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4

Must be a response from F9 cutting service. Any idea if they upgauged the aircraft?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 3):
So is WN actually serving DSM or is it FL?
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
These are YOY changes for the combined FL/WN

Right there at the top of the WN post.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 LAS-TYS APR 0.3>0.1

That and 3 other LAS-XXX were completely dropped, wonder why it's still showing 0.1?

I debated just deleting the G4 changes, but I figured people could figure them out. I have no idea.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Very Weird to see WN codes over Air Tran Routes.

Get used to it.  
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 8):
G4 shows lots and lots of pull downs. I'd wait till next week to see if these are real or not.

See above...but I think they did the same thing last year. They have an overly large Fall schedule posted and then cancel it down to nothing. They do a lot of charter work in Fall + their fleet sits in weak periods.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 EWR-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

This one's interesting - they're picking up the old AA flight that used to run EWR-SJU.

They have snatched AA's whole SJU hub.   No LAX-SJU yet!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
They have snatched AA's whole SJU hub.   No LAX-SJU yet!

They'll need something bigger in their torpedo tube, er I mean the NEO.

That said B6 has been very avers to adding new routes that at the edge of the range envelope due quite frankly to the price of fuel. The margins are far higher through connecting than flying west coast to SJU even at NEO savings.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UP JAX-NAS JUN 0>0.1

When was this announced?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 11):
It was added the same time SEA-HOU was added. I believe they are both seasonal though.
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Starts Apr 22, I do believe..

Risking the wrath of a pedantic a.net, why is WN flying RDU-HOU and why seasonal?


If WN wants a route just for sh**s and giggles, they should give RDU-MSY a try. Seems like that would be a better bet.
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:29 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
B6:

I notice a pulldown in JFK-CLT and RDU during the summer which is odd and then I see a return to normal freq in the fall which is even more odd.

Me thinks this has to do with aircraft deliveries later in the year and a big expansion of flying (DCA and LGA) which have to start much sooner.

The fall schedule has most likely not been loaded and it is just defaulted to what ever is currently selling, so 3. It would not surprise me to see B6 leave CLT. Especially JFK-CLT. With 3 carriers on LGA-CLT, 3 carriers on JFK-CLT, and 2 carriers on EWR-CLT, I just see how B6 is being anything but the low fare carrier. They have better markets to put these airplanes. 2 x Daily won't cut it for competitive measures.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 17):
why seasonal?

Not seasonal and I believe WN is adding more East Coast cities to HOU.. they began with CHS and GSP.. now RDU... probably more to come..

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 17):
they should give RDU-MSY a try.

Agreed!!!!! And add another flight to FLL, please..
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Starts Apr 22, I do believe..

Yep! Was moved up as you probably guessed due to increased demand from the slated June 3rd start date.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 11):

It was added the same time SEA-HOU was added. I believe they are both seasonal though.

HOU-MCI/SEA/RDU were all announced the same day.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):

Get used to it.

Oh I already have! I love it, so excited at the news!

I meant to ask about this one...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SDF JUN 9>10 JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10

Reaction to SWA announcing ATL-SDF? In the last thread it was reduced, and now it's back up? It went from 9 daily to 8 daily in May, then jumps two daily in June? Interesting...

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):

Not seasonal

It's seasonal...

We’re adding seasonal new service between Houston Hobby and Seattle-Tacoma, Kansas City, and Raleigh-Durham (one daily roundtrip in each), all of which are brand new nonstop markets for us

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/su...w-open-sale-through-august-10-2012

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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 3):
Looks like G4 days are numbered in Des Moines

I feel the same way about Allegiant and SAN; it's been all downhill here for a while now...

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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 20):
Reaction to SWA announcing ATL-SDF? In the last thread it was reduced, and now it's back up? It went from 9 daily to 8 daily in May, then jumps two daily in June? Interesting...

I was just thinking the same thing. Given that ATL-SDF on Delta during spring & summer is typically dominated by MD-88's with some 70-76 seat RJ's mixed in that's a bunch of capacity when you add 3 more mainline flights on WN. Right now its very expensive to fly just SDF-ATL on DL, maybe it'll actually be affordable now!
From what enilria's post shows that's the only new WN/FL city from ATL so I wonder if it'll be operated by WN/FL 73G's or FL 717's?
Also wonder if we'll see ATL-BNA on WN sometime soon? Pretty similar scenario to SDF with DL although it doesn't make much sense to fly there given the easy drive (4-4.5 hour drive between the 2 compared to about 7 hours from ATL to SDF).

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 EWR-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

This one's interesting - they're picking up the old AA flight that used to run EWR-SJU.

Yep pretty much, same thing happened with BDL-SJU.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 22):
From what enilria's post shows that's the only new WN/FL city from ATL so I wonder if it'll be operated by WN/FL 73G's or FL 717's?

ATL-SDF/ORF were the new cities announced with WN/FL combined, and both will be flown on Southwest Metal for the time being (keeping in mind a WN Metal may include a refurbished Air Tran 737).

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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 23):

AUS is also a new market that's operated on WN metal. FL will be serving AUS via HOU for the AUS-CUN a/c rotation.
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:33 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN ATL-SEA AUG 3>1.4 SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.6>0

Bummer. Not that I've flown this route on FL (only DL), but it was a nice straightshot to the SE. For WN, though, DEN is the new ATL I guess.

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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 24):

AUS is also a new market that's operated on WN metal. FL will be serving AUS via HOU for the AUS-CUN a/c rotation.

That's right! Slipped my mind! HOU-AUS/SAT will both be flown on FL metal too to fund the CUN Routes, While SNA is not going to be flown from ATL it is a new market on the Air Tran side too.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 25):

Bummer. Not that I've flown this route on FL (only DL), but it was a nice straightshot to the SE. For WN, though, DEN is the new ATL I guess.

Seasonal...will be coming back.

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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:05 am

Hey Enilria. As I say every time and I mean every time, thank you so much for this weekly update.

Hey, I was going back through the last couple weeks and I can't find the change anywhere, but I'm in the AA reservations system and it seems that MHK-ORD, beginning in April, will go from 1.7 > 2. Its what AA / SABRE is selling but I've looked through all the OAG threads since last December and I can't find anything. Since I noticed this after the April schedule was released I wonder if it wasn't already announced. I find it hard to believe actually, but it is nice to see AA verifying our market we've got here in Manhattan.

Thanks again for the hard work you put into this. Honestly.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:25 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-OKC MAY 1.8>3

interesting especially for may? Is delta getting some good fares on this route to want to upgauge before summer starts? Is the oil industry really gobbling up seats on this route or something?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:19 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM ORD-GDL MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

Hmm, no more GDL out of ORD for AM? Maybe time to for Volaris to bring back their second MDW-GDL flight a little early this year.  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:04 am

Ouch...ABQ's taking a bit of a beating. :/
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:26 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 28):
interesting especially for may? Is delta getting some good fares on this route to want to upgauge before summer starts? Is the oil industry really gobbling up seats on this route or something?

Normally it is 3x during the summer. Last week they bumped it down to 1.8, this is a reversal of that.
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 15):
Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
They have snatched AA's whole SJU hub.   No LAX-SJU yet!

They'll need something bigger in their torpedo tube, er I mean the NEO.

Yeah, I was kind of kidding. That's a long and probably low-yield route. Agreed that the A320 can't do it anyway.

Quoting JaxMan19 (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UP JAX-NAS JUN 0>0.1

When was this announced?

It only operates a few times. It is probably a scheduled charter with a few public seats being sold.

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 17):
Risking the wrath of a pedantic a.net, why is WN flying RDU-HOU and why seasonal?

IMHO, it is seasonal because East-West really perks up in Summer and RDU is low-yield to the West in off-peak. As to why they are flying it as opposed to MSY...I'd say that is the new WN. MSY would be a leisure route and HOU is essentially a hub spoke intended to offer a new region to business passengers in RDU.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 20):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SDF JUN 9>10 JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10

Reaction to SWA announcing ATL-SDF? In the last thread it was reduced, and now it's back up? It went from 9 daily to 8 daily in May, then jumps two daily in June? Interesting...

You are probably right, although responding to WN is probably wasted effort.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 25):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN ATL-SEA AUG 3>1.4 SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.6>0

Bummer. Not that I've flown this route on FL (only DL), but it was a nice straightshot to the SE. For WN, though, DEN is the new ATL I guess.

They said they would be adding all this West service when they came into ATL. It looks like the opposite...seasonal or not.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 27):
Hey Enilria. As I say every time and I mean every time, thank you so much for this weekly update.

I love praise.  
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 27):
Hey, I was going back through the last couple weeks and I can't find the change anywhere, but I'm in the AA reservations system and it seems that MHK-ORD, beginning in April, will go from 1.7 > 2. Its what AA SABRE is selling but I've looked through all the OAG threads since last December and I can't find anything.

A change from 1.7 to 2 is probably too small to hit my filter. There are 1000s of changes that small and I have to draw the line somewhere. The filter scales as a % if I remember my formula. So I would show a 2/week change in a market with 1 daily flight, but probably not with 2 daily flights.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:22 pm

Thanks enilria - I absolutely love the year over year comparisons, and it's nice to know that starting with next week's update we'll finally just have the UA code, no more confusion with CO!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA ORD-HNL AUG 1.0>0.6 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

This one has been on again, off again "seasonal" for quite a while now, they're probably just cutting it after the busy summer travel season with tentative plans to reinstate it for the Christmas holidays. Or perhaps it's actually gone for good. Given the sharp reduction in long hAAul from ORD, it wouldn't surprise me.

I remember watching the Amazing Race and seeing the teams trying to get from Honolulu to Chicago for the final stretch of the race. There were 3 nonstop flight options - 2 on AA, 1 on UA. One team rushed to get on the flight with the earliest departure - an AA 767. Another did their homework and realized that the UA flight, operated by the faster 777, left HNL later but actually arrived earlier into Chicago. That mistake, IIRC, cost the one team the game.

My how times have changed since then. UA remains strong with its daily 777 on the route, whilst AA has once again completely abandoned a route that it used to fly 2x daily. Then again, AA's daily ORD-OGG - flown nonstop in both directions, as it used the 767 - is but a distant memory too. In fact, it's almost hard to believe that AA was itching to fly HNL-NRT not long ago...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AM IAD-MEX MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

NOV 0>1.0

I wonder how this one will do. D.C. doesn't have the large Mexican-American population (and ensuing VFR traffic flows to places like MEX) that virtually all of AM's other U.S. markets do. Even Denver, which certainly hasn't panned out for them, has a major Mexican-American/Latino population with strong ties south of the border.

UA is very well established on this route, but times their single daily A319 flight to connect with their major transatlantic bank. It seems like they rely on quite a bit of connecting traffic to fill the smallest mainline type in their [PMUA] fleet. I think AM will have to extensively rely on connections beyond MEX - to interior Mexican markets, the beach resorts, and other Latin American countries - if they expect to pull off a daily IAD flight. Then again, other SkyTeam carriers like AF and KE seem to do extremely well out of IAD, despite it being a Star Alliance fortress hub.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AM ORD-GDL MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

NOV 0.7>0

Well, we know where they got the plane for the new MEX-IAD flight! It looks like GDL-CHI may be the first market in which Y4 has formally beaten AM. I wonder if AM will finally now focus its efforts on building a stronger MEX hub than battling Y4 out of GDL.

Still, it is surprising that Mexico's second largest city will not have any direct link to the primary international gateway of Chicago (home to one of the largest Mexican communities in the country). Perhaps UA can fill the void, as AA seems completely uninterested in adding any kind of new mainline flights at ORD. But, I'm no expert on the VFR ties between specific U.S. cities and Mexican states here. I do know that Jalisco (the state of which Guadalajara is the capital) has extensive ties with Los Angeles - almost any Mexican you meet here will tell you they visit family and friends down there as often as possible. If airline service is any indication, it seems Chicago's Mexican community has closer ties with interior Mexican states like Zacatecas and Guanajuato. Perhaps there isn't much demand between Chicago and Guadalajara/Jalisco that isn't already met by the now established Y4 service? Or, maybe MDW is actually preferred by the VFR travelers as it is smaller, easier, and right in the city...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That didn't last long at 2 RTs
*NK AZA-LAS MAY 2>1.1 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0

Wow, I can't believe they are reducing this already. They haven't even started AZA-DFW yet! I'm not sure if this move is reflective of AZA or LAS. In the latter, NK has been reducing frequency on a number of its new routes. Pretty surprising to see the airline retrenching so quickly on several fronts from what is now their second largest base. But I guess they have done the exact same thing out of their primary hub/base at FLL.

This route has be particularly tough. They are linking together two markets hardest hit by the housing crisis/recession. There is already a ton of (low fare) capacity between Phoenix and Las Vegas, with US and WN utilizing the much more central and convenient PHX while benefiting from major FF loyalty and hub connectivity on one or both ends of the route. G4, the airline who put AZA on the map, recently decided to start its own flights to LAS. I doubt there is any unmet demand or way for NK to really undercut existing fares on this segment...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow
*NK FLL-SJU MAY 1.9>1.1 JUN 1.9>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0

A wise move if you ask me. Might as well sit back and let FL/WN and B6 duke it out.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN ABQ-LAX OCT 4>3
WN ABQ-LBB AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ABQ-MAF AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ABQ-MCO AUG 1.1>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN ABQ-PHX AUG 9>8 SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
WN ABQ-SEA OCT 2.0>1.0
WN ABQ-SLC AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

As far as I know, Albuquerque and New Mexico are doing pretty well economically. The only explanation for this would be the meteoric rise of nearby AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, which seems to have had a profoundly negative impact on the traditional Western connecting "hubs" - first SLC, and now ABQ. I would also argue that AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN has affected LAS, which would have likely gained service to new stations like MSP, BOS and EWR if AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN weren't in the picture.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN ATL-IAD AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 3>0

I still can't believe they are dropping this. There are plenty of business and very wealthy leisure pax in suburbs throughout Maryland and Northern Virginia that much prefer IAD over DCA or BWI. Then again, the very thought of WN might be an anathema to most of them  . From IAD, service to MDW and AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN is great for those headed to Midwestern and Western markets, but what about those headed to the South, Florida, or the Caribbean? Even Texas makes much more sense through ATL as oppose to MDW. Not to mention the fact that frequency on the ATL-DCA route will probably be decreased as DCA slots are reallocated to key WN markets like MDW and STL.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
It just occurred to me that these basically swapped
*WN ATL-ORF AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
*WN ATL-PHF AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0

Yes, and ATL-ORF seems to be quite the strong route for DL - they still use 757s on it. I imagine WN will do quite well on the route. That said, I wonder if BNA-ORF will survive. I daresay the rise of ATL will affect BHM and particularly BNA - traditionally WN's Southern connecting "hubs" - in the same way that AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN did to SLC and ABQ. Also, I wonder if WN may be looking at AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-ORF as a way to cut the long, thin nonstop to LAS (I think they could replace LAS-ALB with AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-ALB too). As a bonus, they'd give F9 another headache from AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN  .

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Less ATL>West
*WN ATL-SEA AUG 3>1.4 SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.6>0
*WN ATL-SFO AUG 4>3 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2

Less ATL-West fits perfectly with WN's stated strategy of focusing less on ATL connections and more on ATL O&D. These frequencies better reflect the actual (relatively high yielding) demand between Atlanta and SFO/SEA as oppose to the low-yielding demand between all of Florida and SFO/SEA  .

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-CUN AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4

Many have tried, none have succeeded. I imagine WN can pull it off, since they are the major carrier out of AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS (plenty of local FF loyalty) and also have plenty of connecting feed to help them out. It will still be interesting to see how they do, though. I'm sure there are plenty of underage college kids that will love this!

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
BOS loses 16 rts
*WN BOS-BWI AUG 16>12 SEP 15>11 OCT 14>10
*WN BOS-CAK AUG 2>1.4
*WN BOS-MCO AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0
*WN BOS-PHF AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
*WN BOS-PHL AUG 8>0 SEP 8>0 OCT 7>0

This has less to do with BOS and more to do with merger integration and overall network strategy. WN isn't struggling from BOS - on the contrary, they are doing quite well. Back in 2009 they started off with just 5x daily BWI and 5x daily MDW. They have since maintained (in the case of MDW) or increased (in the case of BWI) those frequencies, in spite of increased competition - B6 added BOS-BWI and upped frequency on BOS-ORD, and now NK flies ORD-BOS too. They have since added nonstop service to STL, AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, and PHX - all of which happen to be markets where BOS's favorite airline B6 is very weak or nonexistent.

The failure of BOS-PHL accounts for half the total, and has to do with WN's issues at PHL, not BOS. It's not surprising that WN ceded the BOS-PHL route to US once that carrier unveiled an entire new "FastPath" strategy and full shuttle schedule on a route it has dominated for decades. WN similarly cut another short haul route - SEA-GEG - where the established competitor offered a vastly superior schedule and benefited from tremendous local loyalty.

Everything else is merger-related. WN is rationalizing (i.e. cutting) redundant capacity on the BWI-BOS route, PHF is leaving the network, and BOS-CAK will probably be cut sooner or later in favor of CAK-BWI. WN is not in the business of serving Florida nonstop from the ultra-competitive major Northeastern airports - they don't mind serving MCO from mid-size stuff like BDL and PIT or alternates like MHT and ISP, but they'll leave the likes of BOS, LGA, and EWR to B6 and the legacies. For now.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN BUR-AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN AUG 1.2>2

I wondered why it took WN so long to add this route (after all, they are ever so popular out of both airports) until I flew it this past week. The plane was just about empty going out and nowhere near full coming back. Mind you, this was after they had a fare sale on their home page specifically between BUR and AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, AND during a special promotion between Denver and California where you earn double Rapid Rewards Points. It's not summer, but it is ski season. I can only assume this route is not doing well at all, and that the prospect of nonstop MDW-BUR is a long, long way off.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN BWI-MIA AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0

They'll be back. WN pulled out of AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN and SFO in the past, complaining of high costs and operational issues. They ultimately returned once the airports were able to get their costs (and other facility issues) under control. In the case of AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, it was nearly two decades before WN came back to town. MIA fits perfectly into WN's relatively new strategy of serving popular major airports (BOS, LGA, EWR, DCA, SFO, etc.) alongside traditional alternates. MIA obviously has a serious cost issue at the moment, seeing as how even AS and Air Jamaica are now abandoning it in favor of FLL. Once they address the problem and start offering decent deals, WN will return. Until then, the airline is happy to direct growth elsewhere.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-CUN AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-LGA AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-MDW SEP 8>9
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-MHT AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-MKE AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.8>3 OCT 2>3
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-PDX SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-PHX OCT 8>9
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-PVD AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-SEA AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
WN AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-STL OCT 3>4

The AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN saga continues, and now that the airport is becoming a crew base, WN is obviously there to stay (this isn't another PHL). I can't wait to see what happens when WN really starts to go after F9's AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-Mexico routes. I also wonder how F9's relatively strong heartland markets like GRR and DSM hold up once the FL stations actually get canyon blue service - ostensibly from AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN FLL-SJU AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.7

I wonder if they're looking at doing other international stuff from FLL. After all, the O&D is *much* stronger than from ATL or MCO.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN FNT-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1
*WN GRR-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 0.8>0.0
*WN GRR-TPA AUG 0.3>0.1

All regular seasonal reductions. The families in Michigan have to get back to work and school. Nothing unusual, we now know FNT and GRR are safe.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
HRL on the decline
*WN HOU-HRL AUG 7>5 SEP 7>5 OCT 7>5

I wonder if all the drug violence/issues are really starting to take a toll on places like the Rio Grande Valley - maybe Texan families are starting to think twice about visiting areas so close to the border?

FYI, JAN is also on the decline:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN BWI-JAN AUG 1.4>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN JAN-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.0
WN JAN-MDW AUG 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.8>1.0

They are very lucky they got WN when they did, because WN is very unlikely to completely pull out of the market after all this time, but probably wouldn't even give them a second look if they were trying to get canyon blue service today..

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN HPN-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
WN HPN-PBI AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN ATL-HPN AUG 3>1.0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

I know one airline is probably willing to pay a pretty penny for all these HPN "slots"  .

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN ISP-MDW AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0

This is one of the most surprising route cuts I've seen WN make in a long time. After all those years as *THE* ISP airline, they aren't even going to serve a prime gateway to their Western network? Surely there must be plenty of people in Long Island that don't want to deal with the hassles and expenses of JFK or LGA, and there's tons of O&D between Greater NYC and Chicagoland. I guess everyone not headed directly to Florida will now have to connect via BWI, which offers far less options to places West of the Mississippi....

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
First of several intra-Florida route to go?
*WN JAX-TPA AUG 3>0.7 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

Perhaps, although I wouldn't have expected the only link between Florida's second and fourth largest metropolitan areas to be the first to go. It's not like these are small markets, and the drive is quite a few hours - I would think the O&D for this would be considerably higher than that for MCO-ECP, MCO-RSW, and TPA-PBI.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN MDW-OKC AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Surprised it took so long for WN to add this. I wonder if/when we'll see MDW-TUL nonstops come online.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN RNO-SJC AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

A route much more appropriate for the Q400 than the 737. Most people headed to Reno or Lake Tahoe from the Bay Area will simply drive - it was probably a lot of connecting traffic from So Cal filling the flights. By the time you get to the airport, check in, go through security, then get off and actually get to your destination you could pretty much be there with your own car, on your own schedule. The only surprising thing is that they actually kept OAK-RNO, which is an even easier and shorter drive!

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN SAT-MEX AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN SNA-MEX AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Very curious to see how FL/WN does with a foreign VFR/ethnic market. The closest thing they serve to one right now would be SJU, and that has a substantial tourist component. Not to mention the fact that Puerto Ricans will be paying with U.S. dollars and much more likely to be speaking English, booking online, and accepting regular American services than those in Mexico City. No American LCC has cracked MEX yet, but I suppose there was probably considerable doubt that B6 could make the Dominican Republic work and today they are practically that nation's flag carrier. If WN does well from MEX, I think we could see them race into many other Latin American markets. If not, they'll have to take a step back and completely re-evaluate their network/expansion strategy.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN SNA-SJD AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Now, this is the type of route where they'll do very, very well. I wonder if they're looking at doing SJD from places like AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, LAS, PHX, SAN, etc.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 won round 1
*WN TPA-SJU AUG 2>1.4 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.4>1.0

Bear in mind that FL has pulled off TPA-SJU with virtually zero connecting feed. Once they can really tap in to WN's FF loyalty and connectivity at TPA the tables will turn in their favor. B6 will probably get most of the Puerto Rican VFR traffic, WN will probably get most of the tourist/leisure traffic originating in Tampa Bay and points beyond - Houston, New Orleans, St. Louis, etc.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 BDL-PBI AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 BDL-SJU AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

It seems their foray into BDL has gone quite well. I wonder if they're looking at further possibilities - TPA, NAS, etc.?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 BOS-ACK AUG 0>1.0

This type of route proves how well B6 is doing with the BOS market. I imagine it will mostly be O&D, since few people visit Nantucket that aren't from the East Coast.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*B6 BOS-CUN AUG 0.4>0.1 OCT 0.5>0.1
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 FLL-CUN SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.6
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
B6 JFK-CUN AU
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:47 pm

Didn't spirit recently announce another cutback out of las? They have a lot of new airplanes on order and they keep on announcing all these new routes like Denver and such but these route pullbacks are going under the radar. It's almost like their daily plan is to throw darts at a board and what ever city the dart hits, they open a new route
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:54 pm

The G4 cuts in ATW I find interesting. Not sure if those are seasonal adjustments, but in the past they ramped up service in the summer now they are cutting back. Since those planes always go out of ATW full, I am wondering if High Oil Prices are to blame, and cutting frequency allows them to charge a higher fare.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:26 pm

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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):

HRL is probably a seasonal reduction. It gets a ton of beach traffic in the spring/summer and once the snowbirds are down there in the winter, they aren't going anywhere.
My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 13):

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-MKE MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4

Must be a response from F9 cutting service. Any idea if they upgauged the aircraft?

I believe it's still all CRJ. With Air Wisconsin having the mx base in MIlwaukee, and AWAC flying only CRJ's, most of the US* MKE-PHL and MKE-CLT rotations into MIlwaukee are AWAC 50-seat CRJ.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UP JAX-NAS JUN 0>0.1

I have to say this is a surprise. Totally didnt see this one coming for Bahamasair.

What does the 0.1 mean, is it 1 flight weekly versus the whole numbers which could represent daily flights? (new to the OAG change thread.

Thanks
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Thanks enilria - I absolutely love the year over year comparisons, and it's nice to know that starting with next week's update we'll finally just have the UA code, no more confusion with CO!

Thanks. I hope they have their schedule loaded by then. I will do a YOY compare if they do.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
I wonder how this one will do. D.C. doesn't have the large Mexican-American population

Badly in terms of load. All MEX routes like that seems to have horrible LFs...which is why...

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Well, we know where they got the plane for the new MEX-IAD flight!

This will be like a meteor hitting the earth. Vast crater of destruction. 25% LFs wouldn't shock me.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Wow, I can't believe they are reducing this already.

NK will have reduced MSP-ORD before it starts.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
A wise move if you ask me. Might as well sit back and let FL/WN and B6 duke it out.

I guess.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
As far as I know, Albuquerque and New Mexico are doing pretty well economically.

I think it is DEN + the short routes have tiny local markets.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
This has less to do with BOS and more to do with merger integration and overall network strategy.

I guess, but they didn't add anything to make up for all the blood they sucked out.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN ATL-IAD AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 3>0

I still can't believe they are dropping this.

I agree. I'd expect them to enter BOS-IAD when B6 eventually exits, except BOS and IAD seem among their least cared about stations.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN BWI-MIA AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0

They'll be back.

Did you see CPE will hit $30 by 2015? It was in another thread.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WN FNT-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1
*WN GRR-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 0.8>0.0
*WN GRR-TPA AUG 0.3>0.1
All regular seasonal reductions.

I think FNT is normally all year.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
HRL on the decline
*WN HOU-HRL AUG 7>5 SEP 7>5 OCT 7>5

I wonder if all the drug violence/issues are really starting to take a toll on places like the Rio Grande Valley

That's sad if true, but i can believe it.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN BWI-JAN AUG 1.4>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN JAN-MCO AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.0
WN JAN-MDW AUG 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.8>1.0

They are very lucky they got WN when they did, because WN is very unlikely to completely pull out of the market after all this time, but probably wouldn't even give them a second look if they were trying to get canyon blue service today..

I expect by 2014 they will fly JAN-ATL 3x and JAN-DAL 3x and that'll be it. It'll look like 1980s Delta.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
This is one of the most surprising route cuts I've seen WN make in a long time.

I believe WN has thrown in the towel on being an origin carrier in NYC. They didn't bid much for the LGA slots, they dropped MCO for DEN, and this.

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 34):
Didn't spirit recently announce another cutback out of las?

Oh yeah, DFW is about the only thing they have not immediately cut back.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 36):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 33):
HRL is probably a seasonal reduction.

That's a YOY comparison, so it isn't.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:18 am

Interesting one for me is the FLL-PBG reduction by G4 the originator of the route. Looks like they may not be willing to fight it out with NK whose schedule is much crappier for o&d imo but who has feed at the FLL end
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:08 pm

I am surprised that WN wasnt in RDU-HOU and MCI-HOU nonstop already. Those seem like no brainers.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/2/1012: AA/AM/B6/G4/WN

Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:17 pm

G4's reductions at SBN are seasonal. They happen every year. Personally I would wait until their schedules are loaded in the system. I know their service to AZA goes from 3 R/T a week to 2 at the end of this month which is basically a seasonal reduction.

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