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1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:48 am

What were Qantas's original 767 routes?

In particular - does anybody know where the original (OGA B C D) 3 class 767-338ERs were used?
 
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RE: 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:14 am

I know they used the 767 -300ER on the SYD-HNL-SFO route.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:18 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 1):

I've heard of that.....in what time frame?
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:21 am

Didn't they operate SYD-AKL-PPT at one point??
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RE: 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:21 am

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
What were Qantas's original 767 routes?

In particular - does anybody know where the original (OGA B C D) 3 class 767-338ERs were used?

I checked my log and I flew VH-OGB SYD-MNL in 1993. Not much help, but it all counts I guess!  
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:50 am

The original B767-200's were used by Qantas on sectors that were not profitable with a B747-200/300 aircraft. The inaugural flight was I believe MEL-WLG followed by flights from SYD & BNE to WLG. The SYD-ADL-SIN-ADL-SYD pattern was also where the B762's were routed as well as flights to NRT and I believe they were used on intra Asian flights between SIN-BKK & HKG. I don't believe that QF ever operated the B767's to PPT, however I will stand corrected if wrong.

The early B767-300's were used on Tasman flights as well as replacing the B762's which Qantas placed onto domestic flying after their take-over of Australian Airlines. Qantas also initially had VH-OGA, B & C delivered with a wall dividing P/C & J/C, this wall ran down the centre of the forward section of the aircraft. Qantas also had 3 mid-galley Tasman aircraft as well, VH-OGD, E & F. These aircraft were mostly utilised across the Tasman I understand.

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:04 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 5):
I don't believe that QF ever operated the B767's to PPT, however I will stand corrected if wrong.

Their last PPT service was MEL-AKL-PPT-AKL-SYD with a 763 which stopped around 2001.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:20 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 6):
Their last PPT service was MEL-AKL-PPT-AKL-SYD with a 763 which stopped around 2001.

Ah yes, that's right they did too! Did this B763 service ever go onto LAX from PPT?

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:26 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 7):
Ah yes, that's right they did too! Did this B763 service ever go onto LAX from PPT?

I'm not to sure that it did. Did the AKL-PPT service ever extend to LAX with a 747? I think the 747 classics operated AKL-PPT initially.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:57 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 5):
Qantas also initially had VH-OGA, B & C delivered with a wall dividing P/C & J/C, this wall ran down the centre of the forward section of the aircraft.

Any idea where I can find a photo of this cabin?? I hear about it all the time, but no amount of searching has found anything!!
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 2):
I've heard of that.....in what time frame?

Here is an old thread I found. I also saw the last departure from SFO when they discontinued their flight the first time, circa 1996.

Did Qantas Ever Fly The 763 To SFO (by Dc10s4ever May 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:02 pm

QF used the 763 on SYD-HNL-YVR for a while, also on their very briefly operated SYD-HNL-YYZ route, but those services weren't until 2000.

[Edited 2012-02-29 13:04:57]
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:36 pm

I flew CNS - SIN - BKK in a 767. Think it was January '92.
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RE: 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:40 am

Does anybody remember when the 3 class 767s were reconfigured to 2 class J/Y?

Was SFO a 3 class 767 route?
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:14 am

Not sure about being original 767 routes, but in the late 80s they had AKL-TSV-DRW-SIN and AKL-CNS-DRW-SIN routes. (im sure the flight no changed at either TSV/CNS ?) . PER-NRT was also with a 767-200 at some point I recall.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 6):
Their last PPT service was MEL-AKL-PPT-AKL-SYD with a 763 which stopped around 2001.

which was just as TN was formed, so they got into codehare with them
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
QF used the 763 on SYD-HNL-YVR for a while, also on their very briefly operated SYD-HNL-YYZ route, but those services weren't until 2000.

Nope....QF763s have never been to Vancouver. It has a codeshare with Canadian Airlines which is also operated by B763 as well

I remember somewhere in 90's that QF used their own B763 to fly between SYD-SIN-HKG (it was QF123) and then vice versa. Later it axed.
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 17):
Nope....QF763s have never been to Vancouver. It has a codeshare with Canadian Airlines which is also operated by B763 as well

They returned briefly in July 2000, I think the flight was canned in the aftermath of 9/11. They also flew 763's into YYZ briefly before 9/11.

Apologies for the multiple edits -- for some reason nothing was working properly...

[Edited 2012-03-03 06:53:48]
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:14 pm

QF 123 was also used to fly SYD-SIN-BOM vv also on a B763 in the later 90s
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 17):
QF763s have never been to Vancouver.

Sorry, not correct. Check the A.net photo database.

Examples (all in 2000, don't think it lasted very long):


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RE: 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 8):
Did the AKL-PPT service ever extend to LAX with a 747?

SYD-PPT-LAX was operated with 742 and 74M equipment. QF103 was one of the flight numbers used. I think SYD-AKL-PPT-LAX was the last iteration of the route in the mid-90s, before it was axed, using the 74L.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:48 am

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 21):
QF103 was one of the flight numbers used. I think SYD-AKL-PPT-LAX was the last iteration of the route in the mid-90s, before it was axed, using the 74L.

True I do remember seeing a photo of a QF 74L in SYD? I think it was arriving from PPT-AKL as QF104 or something. Yes it was QF103/104 SYD-AKL-PPT-AKL-SYD as I remember it probably late 1990s with a 763. Then MEL-AKL-PPT-AKL-SYD as QF33/104.

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 17):
Nope....QF763s have never been to Vancouver. It has a codeshare with Canadian Airlines which is also operated by B763 as well

As others have said.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
They returned briefly in July 2000, I think the flight was canned in the aftermath of 9/11. They also flew 763's into YYZ briefly before 9/11.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:18 am

I can remember flying on a QF 767 in early 1994 DRW-SIN. I'm not sure if it was a 200 or 300 series. But I'm pretty sure the flight number was QF61 (QF62 return) and it originated in CNS
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:32 am

From Perth we had

QF7/8 PE -SIN-PER. (That was my first Qantas flight ever as QF8 from Singapore to Perth on the 11/JAN/93 on VH-EAL "City of Geelong" The flight would leave Singapore about 3:30ish and would arrive in perth at 8:30pm

QF77/78 PER-SIN-HKG-BKK-HKG-SIN-PER

QF71/72 PER-BKK-PER

QF79/70 PER-NRT-PER

QF75/76 PER-DPS-PER

Qantas also flew I think it was twice a week between PER-CGK with 763s in the late 90s
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:50 am

QF also flew their 763s to LAX probably via HNL. QF 763s stopped showing up at LAX in 1994 sometime. Perhaps a SYD-HNL-LAX with the 763 ?

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:44 am

QF also used the 763 on MEL/SIN/MEL in the early 90s flew that service Christmas/New year 1989/1990 also QF use to fly a 763 service Melbourne/Hong Kong/Melbourne this use to fly out just on midnight, this flight was later upgraded to a 744 and continued on to London Heathrow QF 029, this is one of the flights that has been axed and will now just go MEL/HGK/MEL and will no dout go A330.

Also as late and 1992 QF use 763s to LAX I was walking down to LAX on Sulpulavdia Blv ( I know I have spelt that wrong) and saw a 763 on finals, when I got to the airport I did see a Brisbane flight on the arivals board and i am sure it was the 763 that a saw on finals, how long did the 763 fly into LAX for ?
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:50 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):
Perhaps a SYD-HNL-LAX with the 763 ?

I think the QF25 SYD-CNS-HNL-LAX may have switched to 763 before being axed.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:53 am

Hi all, I am in possession of the following QF timetables that are, IMHO, relevant to this discussion. (in line with the OP's questions).They are 1 Nov 85 and 1 Apr 91. Why relevant? QF received their first 6 762's between 3 Aug 85 and 2 Apr 86 and their first 8 763's between 1 Sep 88 and 21 Dec 90.

1 Nov 85 timetable shows the following 767 routings: (some services did not commence till Feb 86, meaning 5 of the 6 762's are in service)

QF19/20 MEL-SYD-MNL and return
QF33/34 MEL-AKL and return
QF35/36 MEL-CHC and return
QF37/38 MEL-WLG and return
QF47/48 SYD-WLG and return
QF51/52 BNE-SIN and return
SYD-BNE-SIN and return
QF53/54 BNE-AKL and return
QF55/56 BNE-CHC and return
QF57/58 BNE-WLG and return.

1 Apr 91 timetable shows the following 767 routings: (all of the 762's plus 11 of the 763's ).

QF19/20 MEL-SYD-MNL and return
QF25/26 SYD-BNE-HNL-LAX-SFO and return
BNE-HNL-LAX-SFO and return
CNS-HNL-LAX-SFO and return
QF31/32 SYD-SIN and return
QF35/36 MEL-CHC and return
QF41/42 MEL-SYD-JKT
SYD-JKT
JTK-MEL-SYD
QF43/44 CNS-SYD-AKL and return
QF45/46 CNS-SYD-CHC and return
QF51/52 BNE-SIN and return
QF53/54 BNE-AKL and return
QF55/56 BNE-CHC and return
QF59/60 SYD-NGO and return, BNE-CNS-NGO and return, CNS-NGO and return, BNE-NGO and return, and SYD-
BNE-NGO and return
QF61/62 CNS-SIN-BKK and return, CNS-DRW-SIN-BKK and return
QF65/66 SYD-CHC and return
QF70 NRT-PER
QF73/74 PER-SIN-KUL and return
QF75/76 PER-DPS and return, ADL-PER-DPS and return
QF77 PER-SIN-HKG
QF78 BKK-HKG-SIN-PER
QF79 PER-NRT
QF81/82 SYD-ADL-SIN-BKK and return, ADL-SIN-BKK and return
QF86 HKG MEL, HKG-MEL-SYD
QF91/92 SYD-BNE-NOU and return, BNE-NOU and return
QF95/96 SYD-BNE-POM and return
QF779/770 SYD-ADL-NAR with the return NAR-ADL-MEL
QF775/776 SYD-NAR and return. The front of the schedule shows this as a NAR-MEL return but the NAR-MEL alpha section does not show this flight, so who knows.
It should be noted that during this period NZ did a lot of the 767 flying to MEL and SYD in line with the QF/NZ cooperation and I am sure some of the 762's were op domestically

I am sure the above is not exhaustive (e.g PPT and Canada, although these are not mentioned in either of the 2 referenced timetables) however it runs with the OP's questions.
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RE: 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 28):
1 Nov 85 timetable shows the following 767 routings: (some services did not commence till Feb 86, meaning 5 of the 6 762's are in service)

Very interesting to look at all those flights, compare that to a timetable of today and then you relise just how the Qantas network has gotten smaller and smaller, over the years shows you now how Qantas is just a shadow of it former self.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 28):
I am sure some of the 762's were op domestically

Not possible as QF didnt fly domestically again untill Oct 93 (when they "merged" with TN). Hence the above must include all the 762 flying internationally. I felt mentally challenged after researching and listing the above.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:51 pm

Late 80's / early 90's I've definitely seen the QF 767's at BOM......maybe operated for a brief period.....
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:28 pm

Qantas operated PER--SIN-KUL as advised above but also operated MEL-CGK-KUL and SYD-CGK-KUL before finally operating SYD-KUL-SIN for some time before finally leaving Kuala Lumpur. All these routes were operated using 762s and 763s at different periods.

As a sideline QF also operated SYD-BNE-KUL using the 743s for a short spell..

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 31):
Late 80's / early 90's I've definitely seen the QF 767's at BOM......maybe operated for a brief period.....

Definitely in the mid to late 90's the SIN-BOM-SIN was operated daily by a 763 (and classic 747 and 743 at times).

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:19 am

Have caught the 767 BOM-SIN-SYD 96ish. A few of us were in the BA club and they didn't call us. We still left BOM about 15mins early as the Captain wnted to get out of here.

Also late 90's flew SYD- SHANGHAI (old airport)-PEK. At the last minute they substituted another aircraft which was not as range capable, they weighed everyones hand luggage. On approach to Shanghai we hit a bad storm and had to divert to KAI TAK fuel up and go again for Shanghai. Very late to Beijing. The QF crews were great on the 767. Still my favourite domestic aircraft.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:33 am

What about ETOPS? Wasn't that an issue for 767s when QF first received them?

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 29):
Very interesting to look at all those flights, compare that to a timetable of today and then you relise just how the Qantas network has gotten smaller and smaller, over the years shows you now how Qantas is just a shadow of it former self.
Thank you Geoff Dixon and Alan Joyce.

My memory of Geoff Dixon's tenure is that it was more dominated by union busting initiatives, rather than shrinking of the network which seems to be the latter's goal.

GD did cut the SFO-YVR seasonal tag but understandable with AC operating direct with the 77L. What else did GD cut?

[Edited 2012-03-04 20:36:29]
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):
QF also flew their 763s to LAX probably via HNL. QF 763s stopped showing up at LAX in 1994 sometime. Perhaps a SYD-HNL-LAX with the 763 ?

Absolutely correct, I was flying a lot in and out of LAX 92-95, and remember seeing QF 767's parked for the day, often times sitting next their sister 747's. Used to see them all the time in HNL when I lived there 93-95, parked side by side at their gates late in the evening on the Ewa concourse.
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RE: 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:52 pm

Looking back through my logs I have flown, October 1994 on QF 763's:
BKK-DPS
SYD-ADL-PER
PER-SIN-HKG
HKG-BKK

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