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British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:42 pm

Huh, fat lot I know. Only the other day on here I was swearing blind BA wouldn't send the A380 to Kennedy.

Very interesting report. Is it true ?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...rk-asia-with-a380-superjumbos.html

British Airways (IAG) plans to deploy its first Airbus SAS (EAD) A380 superjumbos on flights to New York and three Asian metropolises while using Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.

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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):

Huh, fat lot I know. Only the other day on here I was swearing blind BA wouldn't send the A380 to Kennedy
BA will send the A380 to destinations requiring more than 24hs for a rotation (HKG, PEK or SIN). That also means that it needs to find shorter routes where the A380 can do a rotation in let's say less than 18 hours. That way, 2 A380s can be used for 2 routes... In that case, JFK is the ideal shorter sector for the A380.

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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
In that case, JFK is the ideal shorter sector for the A380.

Surely not eventually 7 a day ?

That'll make for some 'interesting' conversations on here !

Pretty soon that classic BA Manhattan commercial won't be much off the mark ! lol

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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.

When we will see the seating configuration and new Club World features for the BA A380 ? It will probably seat 425 passengers in BA's version.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:58 pm

I'll be on the inaugural JFK if/when they do it. Cant wait.
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 2):
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
In that case, JFK is the ideal shorter sector for the A380.

Surely not eventually 7 a day ?

That'll make for some 'interesting' conversations on here !

Pretty soon that classic BA Manhattan commercial won't be much off the mark ! lol

If EK can put 3 daily A380 flights on LHR-DXB (and no doubt will go to 5 daily in the near future), BA can do the same on JFK surely...  Embarrassment

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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:13 pm

When do BA get their first A380? Do you think JFK will be one of the inaugural routes?
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 6):
When do BA get their first A380? Do you think JFK will be one of the inaugural routes?

The first delivery should be March 2013.
JFK will not be one of the inaugural routes.
The first pax service will be in Europe for crew training.

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

The first 7 B787 will replace B767 in longhaul. So if you want to guess where they are going, look at the B767 routes!
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7):
Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

The first 7 B787 will replace B767 in longhaul. So if you want to guess where they are going, look at the B767 routes!

Baltimore, Nassau, Toronto, Newark, Philly, Grand Cayman, Lusaka, Dar es Salaam, Entebbe, Calgary, Montreal.

Assume YYZ, YUL, YYC and PHL the first routes.
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Assume YYZ, YUL, YYC and PHL the first routes.

In my day PHL was a double daily 741 or 742 !
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
British Airways (IAG) plans to deploy its first Airbus SAS (EAD) A380 superjumbos on flights to New York and three Asian metropolises while using Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.

Bloomberg must be the master of the obvious.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7):
The first pax service will be in Europe for crew training.

I think the British Airways 380 will look magnificent, probably the best, along with Singapore Airlines.
I would love being on board one of the crew training flights. I am going to call on help in high places so it can happen.

I may even go to Toulouse for the first delivery ceremony (or Hamburg maybe)?

I can hardly wait to see the beautiful new British Airways Mega-Jet.

It will be a gigantic success for BA I am sure..
The mega-jet will be a mega winner.

     

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Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
I would love being on board one of the crew training flights.

The A380 will replace a B767 on regular pax flights for about a month.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
I may even go to Toulouse for the first delivery ceremony (or Hamburg maybe)?

All Europe and Middle Eastern destined A380s are delivered from XFW, all others from TLS. So yes, Hamburg.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Baltimore, Nassau, Toronto, Newark, Philly, Grand Cayman, Lusaka, Dar es Salaam, Entebbe, Calgary, Montreal.

Assume YYZ, YUL, YYC and PHL the first routes.

You left out Washington
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:42 pm

so what exactly is BA's A380 configuration...525 or 425? With it being a premium focused airline with a 4 class configuration on its long haul fleet, I also feel that the A380 would be a 450 seater maximum.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 12):
The A380 will replace a B767 on regular pax flights for about a month.

I´m sure they will send the plane to MAD&BCN for training...

I hope we will have also the B787 soon in DAR replacing the B767.... Although I´m sure it won´t be the first one...
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.

Didn't realize Beijing was so far up on their list. I would have thought Narita would get them before PEK?

HKG and SIN makes sense. Is PEK premium heavy for BA?
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:06 pm

I think JNB would be another target for their A380s. LH, AF, and EK all flying A380s to JNB currently
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:09 pm

Well, well, well... So much for "BA will never fly A380 to NYC because they prefer frequency over size from LHR" - mantra, populated by many A380 bashers here.

The only thing I have to add is "I told ya!"

I guess we all can put another A.net legend to its well-deserved rest, along with "American will never buy Airbus" one...

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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 5):
If EK can put 3 daily A380 flights on LHR-DXB (and no doubt will go to 5 daily in the near future), BA can do the same on JFK surely...

IF BA had 90 A380's then JFK would be all A380, they have 12 and they have to be spread around. JFK will get 1 or 2 but then J'berg , HKG, SIN, PEK, LAX, MIA, YYZ, SFO and IAD could be ports of call for the monster too.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 15):
so what exactly is BA's A380 configuration...525 or 425? With it being a premium focused airline with a 4 class configuration on its long haul fleet, I also feel that the A380 would be a 450 seater maximum.

525 is an Airbus "standard" number, 425 is mine because BA has such huge J classes. It could be under 400.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):

Bloomberg must be the master of the obvious.

All the media pretty much just use the press releases. Actually speaking to someone is virtually unheard of these days!
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:32 pm

Will they be upgrading their terminal now, or using T4/T1 at JFK? There won't be time to finish T8 I believe?
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 19):
Well, well, well... So much for "BA will never fly A380 to NYC because they prefer frequency over size from LHR" - mantra, populated by many A380 bashers here.

The only thing I have to add is "I told ya!"

Well hang on a minute...there's a big difference you know between substituting 2 services for 1 A380 as oppose to keeping the frequency and simply increasing the size of the aircraft used.

i.e frequency ''and'' size !!
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:19 pm

Read the article, the only statement was that BA would be using the A380 in high density and slot restricted routes and the author of the article assumes that means JFK. BA/IAG has not named any routes and current plans do not include JFK. Terminal 7 can't accomodate the A380 and BA has no plans to move within the next year.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:20 pm

I thought SFO and LAX would be getting A380 service for sure! Bummer.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 25):
I thought SFO and LAX would be getting A380 service for sure! Bummer.

If BA don't sooner or later send the A380 to LAX i'll eat my hat !
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 21):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):

Bloomberg must be the master of the obvious.

All the media pretty much just use the press releases. Actually speaking to someone is virtually unheard of these days!

Any armchair CEO with no access to internal data could still predict where BA would deploy those A380s with reasonable accuracy. (I might have guessed PVG instead of PEK)

The only fun game would be speculating where EK puts theirs.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 27):
The only fun game would be speculating where EK puts theirs.

Oh that's easy...everywhere  
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:39 pm

With EY opening IAD from Abu Dhabi, Thats plenty of time for Emirates to send the a380 from DXB.
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 28):
Oh that's easy...everywhere  

Wouldn't it'd be shocking if one day they actually deploy the A380 to Newcastle (if the airport could handle it) ?
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7):Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

The first 7 B787 will replace B767 in longhaul. So if you want to guess where they are going, look at the B767 routes!
Baltimore, Nassau, Toronto, Newark, Philly, Grand Cayman, Lusaka, Dar es Salaam, Entebbe, Calgary, Montreal.

Assume YYZ, YUL, YYC and PHL the first routes.

If BA do get the BD deal sewn up, and then use some of the slots for new long haul routes, might they not leave the 767's on their existing routes, and place the new 787's onto longer routes that the 767's can't manage ?
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7):
The first pax service will be in Europe for crew training.

Do you know on what route(s)? How about ARN  
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 26):
Quoting Irishpower (Reply 25):I thought SFO and LAX would be getting A380 service for sure! Bummer.
If BA don't sooner or later send the A380 to LAX i'll eat my hat !

I am sure LAX will see the BA A380.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:45 pm

It's about time we see the A380 connecting the world's two greatest cities!

I look forward to flying it. 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:21 am

Subject to Government approval, is there any chance of seeing BA send the A380 to either DEL/BOM? They operate double daily (1X747, 1X777) to both destinations.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 18):
I think JNB would be another target for their A380s. LH, AF, and EK all flying A380s to JNB currently

If memory serves me right JNB currently is 2x daily 744. So A388 should not have any issues to be at least daily. And from my experience those flights has high load factor's...
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
Bloomberg must be the master of the obvious.
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 12):
The A380 will replace a B767 on regular pax flights for about a month.

I was trying to think where these could go in Europe. FRA, CDG, ZRH, FCO, MAN have A380 service? Anywhere else?

Also I could actually seeing it flying the 747 route LHR-DME. That would be a smaller capacity jump than from a 767.


One final question: does anyone know how these aircraft will be crewed? Both Worldwide and Mixed Fleet are already licensed on three aircraft. Will they retrain some Worldwide crews to be qualified on the 74, 77 and 380, and leave another pool as 74, 76, 77?
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 28):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 27):
The only fun game would be speculating where EK puts theirs.

Oh that's easy...everywhere  

Hahahahaha... LOL
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:20 am

With BA moving to A380 LHR-SIN that means that 5 of the 7 daily flights on the route would be on 380s... 2 out of 3 SQ, 2x QF, and presumably 1 of 2 BA. Would the A380 would replace the 747, as the 777 goes on to SYD?
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting rogercamel (Reply 38):
Would the A380 would replace the 747, as the 777 goes on to SYD?

I would have thought so. I doubt that BA would send their A380 on SIN-SYD but you never know what might happen considering SIN is QF's primary asian gateway.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:39 am

I think BA is keeping their 747-400 fleet around for some time because of usefulness to fly to busier US destinations like JFK, LAX, SFO, and so on. I think using the A380-800 on the LHR-JFK route is kind of overkill, given that BA already has seven flights a day from LHR to JFK on most weekdays.
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:55 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 40):
I think BA is keeping their 747-400 fleet around for some time because of usefulness to fly to busier US destinations like JFK, LAX, SFO, and so on. I think using the A380-800 on the LHR-JFK route is kind of overkill, given that BA already has seven flights a day from LHR to JFK on most weekdays.

With frequency theory possibly working for LHR - JFK agreed, but going from 7 to 6 daily and replace 2 744 with 2 A380 would still work as a frequency driven route.

If distance between frequency 7 and frequency 6 is now 2 1/2 hs instead of 2 hs diesn't make it hurting a frequency theory.

I can bet that JFK will be part of BAs A380 routes.

Otherwise no surprize: run the A380 on trunk routes and the 787 on 'new destinations'. - no surprize at all.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:38 am

Though not an outrageous decision, I am still somewhat surprised that JFK is named as being an A380 route from the outset.

This lends me to believe the order for 12 is by no means the last, and could signal a future commitment to many, many more, making it indeed the B744 replacement for the majority of the fleet.

Another -900 customer in the wings?

Interesting...   
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:34 am

New York was a sure thing but it will be a long time before other American cities get the A380 Service. Surely Bangkok, Indian cities and Johannesburg will get the A380 well before San Fran, Chicago or LA.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7):
Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

The first 7 B787 will replace B767 in longhaul. So if you want to guess where they are going, look at the B767 routes!

Yes, but where are the "New destinations"? These will be places beyond the range of the 763, such as KUL, Jakarta, Manila.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 44):
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7):
Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.

The first 7 B787 will replace B767 in longhaul. So if you want to guess where they are going, look at the B767 routes!

Yes, but where are the "New destinations"? These will be places beyond the range of the 763, such as KUL, Jakarta, Manila.

My thoughts also.

The article states that the 787 will be intended for new 'asian' destinations.

Yet on the other hand they are also meant to be replacing the 767's which fly to Nth America and Africa
 

So either BA has changed its mind again and plans on retaining the 767's even longer. Or the 787 order exceeds that of the number of 767's in service by somewhat. OR we will see another 787 order in the near future!
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:03 pm

BA A380s will seat 469.
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 41):
With frequency theory possibly working for LHR - JFK agreed, but going from 7 to 6 daily and replace 2 744 with 2 A380 would still work as a frequency driven route.

I do not think you could replace 2 744s with a single 380. The 380 might be big but it is not that big.

Last summer BA operated six daily 744s and one daily 77W between LHR and JFK. This coming summer they are planning to add a seventh daily 744 while retaining the 77W flight. Clearly they need the capacity of the additional 744 as otherwise they would not add the additional flight or - as they have in the past - they would have operated the eighth daily flight with a 772. My guess is that the increase in capacity is a response to the positive impact of AA/BA/IB ATI and, in particular, the resulting growth in transfer traffic at both ends of the route.

As indicated by IAG CFO Enrique Dupuy in the thread opener's link, BA will probably use the 380 where there is growth on “very well- known routes” to avoid the necessity of increasing frequency to cope with that growth, particularly where there is a slot availability problem.

BA already control the capacity they offer on many routes by mixing and matching different sized aircraft on the one route. So, for example, on the LHR-YYZ route they fly a daily 744 and a daily 763. If there is growth on that route their next option would be to replace the 763 with a 772. Further growth would likely see that 772 replaced by a second 774. Similarly BA currently operate twice daily to PHL using a 772 on the earlier flight and a 763 on the later flight. So the step-up there would initially likely be a second 772 although it could be a 744 replacing the current 772.
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:09 pm

JFK is logical as an initial route for a number of reasons:

1. It can complete a rotation within 24 hours
2. There's plenty of back up if there are technical problems
3. It's prestigous route with a lot of competition and BA can claim to be the only A380 operator on LHR-JFK
 
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RE: British Airways To Target New York, Asia With A380

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:33 pm

Quoting speedmarque (Reply 46):
BA A380s will seat 469.

Hey Speedmarque.

Has this been confirmed?

Do you know the config breakdown?

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