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787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:49 pm

I though I share couple pictures of the B787 arriving in CYYZ with you everyone here and those who couldn't make it there. I am also currently uploading video of the landing on youtube but it is taking it is time so I will post it later.
I hope you like the pics. Weather was not that great.

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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:52 pm

I'd stop driving my tractor too if I saw that beauty of an airplane in front of me!!!!
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 5):
I am going to guess he/she is referring to the tractor type vehicle you can see in the 7th picture, not making it seem as if Toronto is a small town.

Toronto is a small town. Someday, when it grows up, it may even get a professional hockey team. 

Do we know why the company 787 is in Toronto? Is it a promotional thing, or is it to let the AC folks have a look at what they'll be getting soon.
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 4):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):Look at the bottom shot of the OP's post...there's a tractor in frame, apparently watching the 787 land.

Many airports have tractors. Grass mowing, snow removal, they can have multiple uses in airports....

There were tractors, trucks, pickups, tugs and every other manner of vehicles lined up to see it land. By the number of spotters too I would think a few people might have called in sick. There was a news copter up to film the landing and it was positioned so it would have seen the water cannon salute. The grey skies made it hard to get the right exposure for pics.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Do we know why the company 787 is in Toronto? Is it a promotional thing, or is it to let the AC folks have a look at what they'll be getting soon.

It is here as a part of the AC Anniversary celebrations. There is an open house for AC employees, one for Boeing employees and suppliers, and an invite only for VIP and Super Elite Aeroplan members. It leaves from Toronto on Sunday and flies to Boston to support the JAL service from there to Narita.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:16 am

I went over later on today to try to see the 787 , but in seems that the plane was moved to a AC's Hangar .
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:18 am

Where is it going to be parked?

I'm flying on AC 1232 on Saturday
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:56 am

Beautiful pictures, kl692. Thanks for sharing.   

(Oh, and the tractor-talks really cracked me up. Nothing beats a good laugh in the morning. Thanks for that! )   
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:29 pm

That wing flex on approach may very well be the sexiest thing I have ever seen! I know, I need to get out more......
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:42 pm

The aircraft was towed into Hangar 9 after post flight work. The invitation states Hangar 8 but that might just be the entry point since Hangar 9 doesn't butt against public access. Unfortunately even if the door is open Hangar 9 is the least visible.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:09 pm

Nice plane. Too bad AC will turn it into a bad flight experience...
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:48 pm

Great pics KL692.

What routes are first for AC? I know there have been speculative threads before, but does anyone know more? I would love to see a YYZ-BOM nonstop.
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Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting Pronto (Reply 23):
Nice plane. Too bad AC will turn it into a bad flight experience...

Yet they won the following awards?

Business Traveler Magazine awarded them:
Best flight attendants in North America
Best in-flight services in North America
Best North American airline for business class
Best airline website

Global Traveler awarded them best airline in North America

Skytrax awarded them best international airline in North America


Bad flight experience? Try flying one of the US legacies. It amazes me how much Canadians love to hate AC even with all the strides they've made since exiting bankruptcy.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:02 pm

Excellent to finally see her here. Shame about the weather, but beautiful pictures nonetheless. Waiting for the video now.  

@bos2laf: Not sure either, I for one have always had a fantastic experience flying aboard AC, regardless of the routing. They've got a nice product going on as of late and I've found no reason at all to complain.

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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:06 pm

Too bad they wont fly to Stockholm, no orders from SAS so far, 6 for Norwegian I think. Maybe Oslo will get a visit?
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:14 pm

Hello, here is the link to the video for those that haven't seen it yet.

http://youtu.be/AmoGxjcEBoo

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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting kl692 (Reply 29):
Hello, here is the link to the video for those that haven't seen it yet.

http://youtu.be/AmoGxjcEBoo

regards,

Thank you very much for sharing! Looks like such a majestic piece of work that aircraft.  
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 25):

Canadians are so sensitive

Nah. Just Torontonians. It's that "centre of the universe" syndrome. We keep trying to beat it out of them, but with no luck so far.

On topic -- when does AC start getting deliveries on these? And what routes are they likely to fly? I'd love to see one in YVR, and even better, I'd love to book a flight on one. I'm hoping they'll go on the YVR-SYD route at some point, since I'm not that fond of the 777s (don't like the 3-3-3 seating plan).
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 31):
We keep trying to beat it out of them, but with no luck so far.

Only thing getting beat in Toronto is the Leafs  
Quoting Arrow (Reply 31):
when does AC start getting deliveries on these?

1st quarter of 2014 (optimistic outlook)

Quoting Arrow (Reply 31):
And what routes are they likely to fly?

I don't think they have officially announced anything. My guess is they'll re-start their Indian routes, and possibly develop a greater presence in South America.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 31):
I'm hoping they'll go on the YVR-SYD route at some point, since I'm not that fond of the 777s (don't like the 3-3-3 seating plan).

I doubt it. The 787s are more of a 333 replacement, so I don't think the 777 on that route is going anywhere.

Maybe a 787 for YVR-MEL? (wishful thinking, I know, but I can hope!)
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 31):
On topic -- when does AC start getting deliveries on these? And what routes are they likely to fly? I'd love to see one in YVR, and even better, I'd love to book a flight on one. I'm hoping they'll go on the YVR-SYD route at some point, since I'm not that fond of the 777s (don't like the 3-3-3 seating plan).

I have a feeling that once AC get their 787 sometimes next year, they will fly it within Canadian routes before they go international with it. Eg: CYYZ to CYVR or maybe fly it to every major city in Canada and I am sure the likes of KJFK and so will see it too.
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting kl692 (Reply 33):
I have a feeling that once AC get their 787 sometimes next year, they will fly it within Canadian routes before they go international with it. Eg: CYYZ to CYVR or maybe fly it to every major city in Canada and I am sure the likes of KJFK and so will see it too.

Intially they will be in routes from YYZ/YUL to YYC/YEG/YVR/lax. After that you'll see them on western Canada to Europe flights and some Asia routes.

Just what I've heard.

Longhauler is the guy to ask. He may have heard more.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 25):
"Canadians are so sensitive...."

Yes the G8 mess in 2010 didn't help Toronto's image either.....

Can't wait to see the 787 in AC colors!!!!!

[Edited 2012-03-02 11:52:37]
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Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:25 pm

The 787 will sub in on some premium Europe routes, will open up new China and Pacific routes, and additional South America routes. Loooooong way down the road you might see India restarted but as discussed recently to death, India at the moment is low end priced travel with insufficient J Class and not enough high value cargo. If perishables and high value electronics start to flow then things will change.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Do we know why the company 787 is in Toronto? Is it a promotional thing, or is it to let the AC folks have a look at what they'll be getting soon.

It's related to AC's 75th birthday celebrations.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:49 am

Pretty disappointing that AC and Boeing didn't give the flying public access to the B787.


I remember AC saying that it is looking at the 787-9 to replace the A333s, any word if a final decision has been made about the order breakdown?

The article sheds some light on some possible destinations for AC's 787s.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ource=Home&utm_content=2357402

"Air Canada has a shortlist of potential new flights departing from Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, touting non-stop service to places such as Guangzhou in China and Mumbai in India – tapping into markets deemed too small to make economic sense for the larger Boeing 777. Other possible destinations include Moscow, Buenos Aires and Johannesburg."


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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 39):
Pretty disappointing that AC and Boeing didn't give the flying public access to the B787.

There were Elites and Super Elites there also by invitation only. Also the aircraft was there as part of the 75th anniversary celebrations for employees. Employees of some parts suppliers were also invited.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:21 am

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 39):
Pretty disappointing that AC and Boeing didn't give the flying public access to the B787.

They did. Or do you mean *all* of the flying public?

If the latter, it's not really up to Boeing...when you visit a customer you do whatever the customer wants to do with it.

Tom.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:34 am

I was pretty excited about the 787 but now that I have flown it I can say it is just a plane. I'll take upper deck 747 any day.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:44 am

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 42):
I was pretty excited about the 787 but now that I have flown it I can say it is just a plane. I'll take upper deck 747 any day.

Long live the 747.
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:56 am

Any word on departure time on Sunday? If it's before 6pm then I'll be able to catch my first glimpse of the 787  
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 26):
Try flying one of the US legacies. It amazes me how much Canadians love to hate AC even with all the strides they've made since exiting bankruptcy.

  

I've only flown twice on AC and both flights were very good experiences....couldn't find any faults at all.....
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 35):
Intially they will be in routes from YYZ/YUL to YYC/YEG/YVR/lax.
Quoting whiteguy (Reply 35):
Longhauler is the guy to ask. He may have heard more.

I have heard the same.
Keep them close to home until the bugs are worked out.

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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:54 pm

Any body knows what time of departure will be for sunday ?
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:48 pm

Departure is rumoured to be around 8am local time as it needs to be in Boston for a showcase there.

Here is another video, which shows the wing flex a bit better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1kA2vSShk
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:51 pm

Anyone have an accurate update either when it is due in Boston, or even bettter a departure time at YYZ? Too early for the flight plan to be loaded on Flight Aware.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:22 am

Here is what she looks like on the inside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if96GDYVjJg
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:32 am

Will the flight from YYZ-BOS be available to see on FlightAware or PlaneSpotter? I want to tune into LiveATC.net once I see that the plane is within range of Logan tomorrow morning.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:18 am

Yes it will fly as BOE787 and it will be filed on FlightAware. What advance notice for the flight plan being filed I am not sure. You will at least have an hour advance notice or so.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:33 am

Already looking to replace the Airbus 330 aircraft? Not happy with it?
Nice pics once again of that particular plane. Will AC look at getting any Boeing 747-800 aircraft? Or will it just be the 777 and 787?
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:44 pm

Departure was remarkably quiet. I was almost directly behind the plane and the Hybrid bus traveling on the road behind me was much much louder than the 787. With such a light load and the short hop to BOS, the throttles probably weren't to the wall. Still impressive.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Kinda disappointing on departure, tower asked if they were able to do a fly by, but they said that unfortunately not   ... oh well, it is a nice airplane!!  
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 39):
Kinda disappointing on departure, tower asked if they were able to do a fly by, but they said that unfortunately not ... oh well, it is a nice airplane!!

I heard that ATC exchange, too. But not a slight at Toronto; there was a big gathering of people down here at Boston waiting for the plane to be brought into the DL hangar where a presentation would be made among Massachusetts, Boeing, and Japan Air Lines personnel. If not for this need for choreography, they probably would have done the fly-by up there at YYZ.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:51 am

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 39):
Kinda disappointing on departure, tower asked if they were able to do a fly by, but they said that unfortunately not ... oh well, it is a nice airplane!!

I was at the airport at 530 in the morning and saw it sitting in front of AC hanger. we were hopping for deicing since it was sitting outside the from the day before but she just went for runway 23. I heard the ATC request for flyby, it would have been nice but I can't blame the pilot for saying no. They needed the plane to be on time.

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 38):
Departure was remarkably quiet. I was almost directly behind the plane and the Hybrid bus traveling on the road behind me was much much louder than the 787. With such a light load and the short hop to BOS, the throttles probably weren't to the wall. Still impressive.

I soo agree with you on this. I was waiting for the loud noise engines makes when they start rolling but with the 787, nothing. All we saw was it moving. Gotta love the wing flex on take off too.
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:29 am

I'd agree with Longhauler that initially AC will operate the 787 on a bunch of Rapidair rotations and also national services like YYZ-YYC/YEG/YVR to a) iron out any teething troubles, as all new a/c have, and b) give the cockpit crews lots of t/o & landing experience.

First deliveries are now targeted for 1Q 2014, with seven a/c to be delivered in 2014 - although many are dubious that Boeing can deliver on the build rate advertised.

Following from today's G&M may be helpful:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...en-canadian-cities/article2358591/
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:04 pm

There is a terrific video of the 787 landing in Boston yesterday. No, not from the ground; there were more than enough people who documented that. This video is from inside the cockpit with the HUDs flipped down.

http://youtu.be/Wt-XoBUasEk

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[Edited 2012-03-05 07:07:37]
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:30 pm

How will AC configure their 787s?
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 44):
How will AC configure their 787s?

All AC has said is that J Class will have an upgraded version of their lie flat seats with additional storage, more privacy, and at the same time make for conversation between two people traveling together easier. It will then be rolled out across the fleet.

The real reason that the 787 didn't do a fly by was that there were journalists and Air Canada passengers/executives on board. Fly by's with passengers on board is even more rare.

There are articles in both the Toronto Star and National Post this morning on the flight to BOS. Probably the Globe and Mail as well but I haven't got to that paper yet.
 
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 38):
Departure was remarkably quiet. I was almost directly behind the plane and the Hybrid bus traveling on the road behind me was much much louder than the 787. With such a light load and the short hop to BOS, the throttles probably weren't to the wall. Still impressive.

I was there as well, and I was absolutely floored at how silent it was, regardless of how much throttle (or lack thereof). Very impressive.

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 45):
The real reason that the 787 didn't do a fly by was that there were journalists and Air Canada passengers/executives on board. Fly by's with passengers on board is even more rare.

I thought fly-bys with passengers were made illegal after the whole AF A320 fiasco?
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RE: 787 Arrives At Toronto (with Pics)

Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 45):
All AC has said is that J Class will have an upgraded version of their lie flat seats with additional storage, more privacy, and at the same time make for conversation between two people traveling together easier. It will then be rolled out across the fleet.
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/C...da+shows+Boeing/6257544/story.html

"For business class, however, Air Canada is going to use the 787s to launch a new interior scheme and a brand-new class that will build on its popular lie-flat seats."

The above quote would seem to imply that AC will be launching some kind of new premium cabin with lie-flat seats.

Dare I say it, a W class with angled beds?

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