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Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:18 am

In thread # 58 the following points were discussed:

* Brisbane Airport - expanded domestic services
* Jetstar capacity increases ex-MEL/OOL and cancellation of BNE-CHC
* Virgin Australia announces significant expansion of flying ex-BNE (with Alliance F100s)
* Melbourne Airport passenger growth
* QantasLink 717 schedules ex-Brisbane
* Royal Brunei increases Melbourne services to daily
* Foreign airline expansion in Australia
* Tiger Airways announces it is recommencing CNS services later in 2012
* Alliance Airlines 737-400 commences services
* A Virgin Australia 77W heads to AKL for schedule maintenance - first of many to come
* Second Sydney Airport and discussion on curfew
* Qantas and a possible new service to Berlin to coincide with AB's Oneworld membership
* Etihad deploys 77Ws on SYD-AUH due VA 77W scheduled maintenance
* Qatar Airways will now launch PER services with 77L equipment, in lieu of 332s
* Scoot Gold Coast services
* Air Asia X and its Gold Coast services
* Qantas aircraft leaving the fleet
* Long haul Qantas network - rumours of FRA/JFK being cut (weren't in the end)
* Air Mauritius will suspend its SYD/MEL services from June 2012
* Brisbane Airport growth for JAN12 - best since Jan 2008
* Air New Zealand announces Sunshine Coast-Auckland seasonal services from mid 2012
* Australia-South Africa air services - IASC has not extended QF/SA agreement past Dec 2012

On 17 February 2012, Air Australia was placed into voluntary administration. The Airline flew A320 aircraft from BNE-MEL/PHE/DPS, PER-DCN and A330 aircraft from BNE/MEL-HNL/HKT.


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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:33 am

* Air Vanuatu is scaling back its operations to Melbourne - services between 05APR-21JUN and 07OCT-20DEC have been cancelled. The carrier will however operate nonstop flights from Port Vila during the peak school holiday periods

* Virgin Australia has announced it will add an additional Monday to Friday ATR service from Brisbane to Emerald from early April 2012. The Airline also plans to open a new lounge in Hobart according to a recent AusBT article

* Alliance Aviation Services Limited on 29JAN12 reported revenue for the half year ended 31 December 2011 of $84.7 million, a 45% increase over the previous corresponding period. Pro-forma EBITDA increased by 24% to $22.5 million. The Statutory NPAT for the period was $6.6 million. Alliance predominately operates contract FIFO flying and recently commenced F100 operations on behalf of Virgin Australia to ports such as Cairns and Newcastle

* Air Asia has confirmed it will suspend its Darwin - Bali/Denpasar services from April 2012. The last service is currently slated for Sunday 29 April 2012 (according to the online booking engine)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:41 am

The Air Vanuatu MEL service suspensions are hardly unexpected.

Making it a seasonal non-stop flight makes sense.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:31 pm

Could someone help shed some light please. Last time I was at BNE I noticed that the Alliance F100's parked at the DJ terminal that where 'all white'

When QF had the wet lease of the F100's the tails were left in the Alliance scheme. With the all white tails, with DJ think this is a contractual arrangement ?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:17 pm

ZuluAlpha from what i have been told re the white F100's .They will be painted in Virgin Australia livery shortly.

Alliance and Virgin both decided not to get them painted initially, as Alliance are down 2 aircraft in their fleet and if there was a maintenance issue with one of the other aircraft in their fleet , then that aircraft would then have to be replaced by a Virgin branded F100 even if it was doing a fifo to Telfer.

Since then Alliance have acquired a 737-400 to help relieve this problem and shortly another newly acquired F100 will come out of pre service maintenance.This then will fill the fleet void.

I would expect both will be painted in 2 months time.

And to answer your other question yes this lease arrangement is different to the Qantas-Alliance one.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:11 am

Some QF fleet news:

*New B73H VH-VZY has been delivered.

*B734 VH-TJW has been retired and ferried to Victorville.

*B717-200 VH-NXR will arrive into Australia this month, the next B717 VH-NXJ will arrive in April/May.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 4):
yes this lease arrangement is different to the Qantas-Alliance one

I was under the impression that this agreement was short-term to cover maintenance on the E90s. Is it actually more permanent than that? Is the relationship more like the one with SkyWest regarding the AT7s?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:29 am

Skytrans has confirmed it will commence services with its Dash 8 aircraft from Toowoomba to Sydney in July, with fares/schedule available from April.

http://www.skytrans.com.au/PDFs/MR_Mar_2012.pdf

Initially the Airline will commence 6 weekly services before moving to 10 weekly services later in 2012.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:01 am

^^ Lets hope that is a success. Certainly opens up new markets for many.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:22 am

Does anyone know what AB flights QF is going to codeshare on, and from what date they can be booked on the qantas website?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):

I was trying to find the article in the Australian newspaper a few months ago, which stated the F100's will operate to routes in Queensland for 1 year and then will be replaced by new build 738's .

Not sure if this was mentioned but the 6th ATR is on it's way today to BNE.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:02 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 10):
which stated the F100's will operate to routes in Queensland for 1 year and then will be replaced by new build 738's

Oh OK, interesting. But why is it that they're not using E90s? Lack of aircraft availability?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:20 am

To allow extra flights and capacity out of BNE above and beyond what the current fleet of 737/E190's can offer.
Remember VA have just added a extra 8 flights out of BNE.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:20 am

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 9):

Does anyone know what AB flights QF is going to codeshare on, and from what date they can be booked on the qantas website?

As of Friday, there were no codeshare flights loaded into the QF reservation system. As to the flights they will codeshare with, it would only be a guess. Maybe where the common ports are e.g. BKK and SIN
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:59 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 5):

I saw VH-TJW parked on the freighter ramp in HNL on the 1st of March...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:13 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 8):
Does anyone know what AB flights QF is going to codeshare on, and from what date they can be booked on the qantas website?

This seems rather complicated. I have seen on a thread that AirBerlin is cancelling their Munich to Bangkok flights, so that will not be the code share. Then, we see that AirBerlin now has a codeshare deal with Etihad - AB flies Berlin to Abu Dhabi, and these flights connect with EY flights to Australia. So, you might even have Virgin codesharing with AB before Qantas does.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:35 am

...and they are cancelling TXL-BKK and DUS-BKK from the 28th and 29th of March 2012 respectively.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 5):
*New B73H VH-VZY has been delivered.

I believe that VH-VZZ is also due for delivery in April. That will take the QF 738 fleet count to 58 with 12 more on order for delivery through to late 2013.

Also for those interested, the remaining QF 744's will be start conversions on the following dates;

VH-OEE - March 29th
VH-OJU - May 10th
VH-OEF - June 29th
VH-OJS - August 5th
VH-OJT - September 13th

So all of the 744's to be converted will be done by the end of this year. (Dates sourced from Australian Aviation Magazine)

Given the decision on South Africa I'd have thought QF would need to retain 1 or 2 more 744's to cover the loss of codeshare rights on the PER-JNB route from the beginning of next year.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 13):
As of Friday, there were no codeshare flights loaded into the QF reservation

QF and Air Berlin have not yet lodged any applications for codeshare flights with the relevant Australian authorities.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:44 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 17):
Given the decision on South Africa I'd have thought QF would need to retain 1 or 2 more 744's to cover the loss of codeshare rights on the PER-JNB route from the beginning of next year.

I wonder if they will keep VH-OJP, OJQ since they are the next two youngest 744s for it.

Is there any slack in the A332 International fleet to queeze in PER-JNB-PER (or PER-JNB-CPT-JNB-PER)?
Since I think that route would most likey go A332

Is there any slack in the A380 fleet for a PER-JNB-PER service? It would be great to get the A380 from MEL or SYD to PER then onwards to JNB.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):
Since I think that route would most likey go A332

So would I, but they really don't have enough planes to send an A332 either.

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):
Is there any slack in the A380 fleet for a PER-JNB-PER service? It would be great to get the A380 from MEL or SYD to PER then onwards to JNB.

A stop in PER a few times a week is the most likely outcome in the short term, in my opinion. Don't forget that QF's flight out of SYD will see a drop in numbers without SA's support, so they will be looking at ways to retain daily 744's.

It's impossible to know if QF has any slack in the A380 fleet, given that we don't know their plans for frames 13 and 14 and how that might impact on existing services (ie QF127/8 to HKG). But if they've earmarked JNB for the A380 out of SYD then I'd expect to see it in PER  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):

good one   PER (WAC) cope with a A380 ... they can bearly cope with an A330..  
There will be slack in the A332 fleet when AKL-LAX ends and a re-shuffle of routes.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:48 pm

The word going around PER the last few months actually has been that QF would use an A380 to JNB, originating from either MEL or SYD (as was speculated above). The only issue related to WAC with the international terminal is the a/c would have to be boarded via the tarmac, as they don't have any bridge bays that are wide enough for an A380 (this is set to change within a couple years).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:04 pm

I forgot to mention there was a Air Australia A320 on a remote stand in HNL on the 1st of March... Was the aircraft on a ferry positioning flight???

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 21):
The word going around PER the last few months actually has been that QF would use an A380 to JNB, originating from either MEL or SYD (as was speculated above).

I doubt they will use an A380 on PER-JNB. What I think is more likely is that QF uses a mix of 744's doing SYD-PER-JNB and the A380's on SYD-JNB. In that way they can maintain daily service from Sydney with say 4 direct A380's a week and then send the 744 on SYD-PER-JNB on the days the A380 doesn't operate. That would be a more likely scenario.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 19):
It's impossible to know if QF has any slack in the A380 fleet, given that we don't know their plans for frames 13 and 14 and how that might impact on existing services (ie QF127/8 to HKG). But if they've earmarked JNB for the A380 out of SYD then I'd expect to see it in PER

The A380 on QF 127/128 was made possible by frames 11 and 12. So I'd say that takes care of their existing fleet. But don't forget that they still have Nancy Bird Walton that has been sitting on the Tarmac in SIN for a year or so that is coming back into service shortly. So they will have a spare A380 up their sleeve it the need one.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:48 am

Wouldn't a W routing on a 744 make more sense for PER-JNB than SYD-PER-JNB? I.e. SYD-JNB-PER-JNB-SYD. Perhaps adding a SYD-PER 744 flight to position the flight crew, but probably not.

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):
Is there any slack in the A332 International fleet to queeze in PER-JNB-PER (or PER-JNB-CPT-JNB-PER)?
Since I think that route would most likey go A332

Not a bad idea. It also replaces the feed into CPT which is lost without SA.

If it is prioritised highly enough there would be enough A332s.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 24):
Not a bad idea. It also replaces the feed into CPT which is lost without SA.

BA franchise Comair operate CPT-JNB, so QF would still have feed. However, I find it hard to believe that they would put the A380 on the route, QF are already moaning that without the cozy tie up with SA they won't be able to sustain the exisiting capacity they have on the route so it seems unlikely that they would be in a hurry to upsize.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:08 am

There's also no A380s free for the route.

I never meant that was a possibility.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 26):
There's also no A380s free for the route.

There is Nancy Bird Walton which is currently unutilised.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:17 am

Wasn't that required to up the SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights to daily, and allow maintenance?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:40 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 28):
Wasn't that required to up the SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights to daily, and allow maintenance?

SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights are already daily. With the return of VH-OQA, maybe that will allow SYD-HKG to become daily.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:04 am

I suppose they could go back to 744s for SYD-HKG if there was a reason to use the A380 on JNB flights. Which there isn't, really.

Interestingly SYD-HKG is Thu-Sun so maintenance appears to be concentrated Mon-Wed.

Is Nancy Bird Walton (VH-OQA) actually back in service? Hadn't heard that it was.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:33 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 29):
SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights are already daily. With the return of VH-OQA, maybe that will allow SYD-HKG to become daily.

So that accounts for frammes 1 - 12 in the A380 fleet then we have frames 13 & 14 due so where will they go?

Quoting sydscott (Reply 23):
I doubt they will use an A380 on PER-JNB. What I think is more likely is that QF uses a mix of 744's doing SYD-PER-JNB and the A380's on SYD-JNB. In that way they can maintain daily service from Sydney with say 4 direct A380's a week and then send the 744 on SYD-PER-JNB on the days the A380 doesn't operate. That would be a more likely scenario.

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Send the A380 via Perth with its larger Y and J cabin?

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 20):
good one PER (WAC) cope with a A380 ... they can bearly cope with an A330..
There will be slack in the A332 fleet when AKL-LAX ends and a re-shuffle of routes.

Yes but I thought the freed up A332s would fly SYD - BKK replacing the QF1/2 service as well as more trans con flights replacing the current QF581/580 744 service between PER & SYD.

The new international pier and other works to the International Terminal in Perth should help but thats still 2 and a bit years away from completion
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:35 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 28):
Wasn't that required to up the SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights to daily, and allow maintenance?

Nope the LAX & LHR flights are already daily. Nancy is Surplus at the moment.

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 29):
SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights are already daily. With the return of VH-OQA, maybe that will allow SYD-HKG to become daily.

That wouldn't surprise me. If they do make SYD-HKG daily that'll just about round out possible A380 routes unless the mix it up on DFW.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 30):
Is Nancy Bird Walton (VH-OQA) actually back in service? Hadn't heard that it was.

Nope it's still under repair in Singapore. Last reports had it coming back to Australia this month but who knows.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:09 am

To be clear... QF needs 10 A380's to run LHR/LAX at daily from SYD/MEL. Frame number 12 was used to open up HKG, but the fleet is currently stretched (just look at how many QF11/12's are 744's over the next couple of weeks, I assume because of scheduled maintenance).

If QF wanted to send the A380 to JNB, I imagine they could do that 3-4 times a week with the return of Nancy Bird. The alternative is to revert to 744's into HKG, but I doubt that would happen (given the advertising that's plastered across HKG promoting the service and the fact it's an A380. Bit of a let down if they scrap it after 6 months).

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 31):
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Send the A380 via Perth with its larger Y and J cabin?

PER isn't properly equipped to handle the A380, from what others have said. In any case, QF would probably want to utilise the A380's increased efficiency on the longer flight, having the stop in the 744 will probably save them a decent amount of fuel overall.

But they still have a long time to figure this all out. The agreement with SA doesn't end tomorrow, and the fleet will look different down the track.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 33):

(just look at how many QF11/12's are 744's over the next couple of weeks, I assume because of scheduled maintenance


But on most of those days 107/108 becomes the A 380 flight
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 34):
But on most of those days 107/108 becomes the A 380 flight

Nope. QF107/8 only becomes an A380 when QF11/12 doesn't operate -- that's twice in the next month.

There are regular periods of mixed operation on QF11 -- generally in the first half of each month. QF11 is a 744 every second day for the first two weeks of March. QF107 continues to operate on these days, as a 744. The same periods of scheduled mixed operation have been happening for the past 4-5 months (aside from the peak holiday period).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 35):

Nope. QF107/8 only becomes an A380 when QF11/12 doesn't operate -- that's twice in the next month.

I must have got lucky, those where the two I saw.
Well it looks like it is a maintaince backlog ( unless of course the forward booking are so poor then QF is really in trouble)
So back to topic, VH-OQA's return to service will only cover maintaince and we won't see any new exotic destinations like JNB for the A380 untill the next delivery (in 2013)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 36):
So back to topic, VH-OQA's return to service will only cover maintaince and we won't see any new exotic destinations like JNB for the A380 untill the next delivery (in 2013)

That's what I would expect as well.

We also have to remember that A380's 13 and 14 are supposed to be the first one's in the new QF 3 class layout on the A380 which is probably a better fit for a lower frequency, but higher capacity service to JNB from SYD while the 744 goes from PER.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 36):
So back to topic, VH-OQA's return to service will only cover maintaince and we won't see any new exotic destinations like JNB for the A380 untill the next delivery (in 2013)

Agreed.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
We also have to remember that A380's 13 and 14 are supposed to be the first one's in the new QF 3 class layout on the A380

I'd have thought it would make more sense for QF to scrap the plans for the three class A380's for now -- it's going to cause a lot of inflexibility in the fleet if there are two aircraft that are totally different to the rest. The only exception I can think of would be if frames 13 and 14 (being more capable than the rest of the fleet) were to be dedicated to a single route (ie DFW).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:29 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 38):
The only exception I can think of would be if frames 13 and 14 (being more capable than the rest of the fleet) were to be dedicated to a single route (ie DFW).

That is practically certain.

What else would they do? Fly the 787 there on a higher frequency?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:48 pm

Wait, is it confirmed QF will start PER-JNB or is it just speculation because of the ending agreement with SA?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:25 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 39):
That is practically certain.

What else would they do? Fly the 787 there on a higher frequency?

Agreed. DFW will definitely be ready for an A380 by then although it'll be interesting see if they try something like MEL-DWF when the 789 appears. But that won't be for a while yet.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 40):
Wait, is it confirmed QF will start PER-JNB or is it just speculation because of the ending agreement with SA?

It's speculation for now. QF haven't announced anything other then their annoyance that their cosy duopoly has to come to an end.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:27 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 39):
That is practically certain.

What else would they do? Fly the 787 there on a higher frequency?

I'm not sure anything is practically certain with QF these days...

Frames 13 and 14 are due early next year, DFW is only going to daily in July. I know that there has been a big growth in this route over the past year since it launched, but QF will be wary of dumping too much supply on this route too quickly -- it would be extremely damaging to their profits on this route if fares were to drop. What they want to do is build up to near full daily 744's, then retain the higher fare level that has been created by constraining supply as they move to the more efficient aircraft -- that's where their margin is coming from. If QF were to send the A380 and fares were to drop 10%, their profit would probably be wiped out.

QF could easily hold the 744 on SYD-DFW in the long term, and supplement it with flights out of BNE or MEL on the 787 if they want to increase supply. The only issue being the stop in BNE on the return, but that could be redirected to AKL (or even somewhere like HNL if a direct BNE flight was to start up to facilitate connecting traffic).

Having said that, I do think the A380 is likely for DFW, maybe not early next year but certainly soon. QF could play around with frames 13 and 14 for a year (HKG, NRT, JNB, FRA etc) while DFW builds up strength then do an A380/744 swap.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:44 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 39):
What else would they do? Fly the 787 there on a higher frequency?

There was some speculation (note the word!) on here a while back that they may well do this. Apparently over 50% of passengers on QF8 deplane in BNE, either as their final destination or to connect to somewhere else in Aus with 1 stop.

(Totally irrelevant aside: when I last arrived in CBR on QF953 there were a surprising number of cases which had started their journey somewhere in the USA, flown to DFW with AA, and then connected to CBR via BNE)

Therefore it was suggested that going with 2x 787 might not be a bad idea: one SYD-DFW for SYD O&D and the other BNE-DFW for connecting passengers, effectively using BNE as a DXB style hub (after all, with conveniently timed connecting flights to MEL, CBR, ADL, PER, DRW, CNS, TSV, ROK, MKY, GLT and goodness knows which other small towns in QLD, BNE isn't a bad place to hub). Of course the counter-argument is that once the route is capable of going DFW-SYD non-stop, why not just run two daily flights (or use an A380) to SYD.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:47 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
QF could easily hold the 744 on SYD-DFW in the long term

Very unlikely. The load restrictions reduce the revenue potential, and the diversions are pretty expensive.

They would be more likely to reduce frequency than keep the 744 on this route IMO.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:38 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Frames 13 and 14 are due early next year

According to the A380 production list they're not due until the 3rd quarter of 2013.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 44):
They would be more likely to reduce frequency than keep the 744 on this route IMO.

Alan Joyce has stated that DFW is an ideal 787 route and he's right. QF can keep their higher capacity A380's and 744's plying the LAX route while they use the 789 to fly SYD/MEL/BNE - DFW. Even if you put an A380 on SYD-DFW and either make the second SYD-LAX a 789 or hand it over to an AA 77W/787, then I still think that makes sense as an ultimate QF end game in DFW. But either way I think DFW will only grow for QF.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:56 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 45):
Alan Joyce has stated that DFW is an ideal 787 route and he's right.

Did he say from SYD though? I wouldn't be surprised if this route is performing strongly enough in 2013 to have a daily A380 SYD-DFW + 3pw 787 BNE-DFW + 3pw 787 MEL-DFW.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:26 am

Effective 14APR12 QantasLink (Cobham) will begin operating the 717-200 on Saturday Brisbane-Alice Springs-Brisbane services. Sunday services will continue to be operated by the 737-800. This move is no doubt to facilitate the swapping of 717 aircraft in ASP/PER.

Saturday QF846 SYD/DRW and Sunday QF829 DRW/SYD services have been cancelled for the peak period (service reduces to 6x weekly).

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:45 am

BITRE DFW-BNE,SYD figures are out with BNE now getting 66% of pax terminating,and SYD getting 34%.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 59

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 48):
BITRE DFW-BNE,SYD figures are out with BNE now getting 66% of pax terminating,and SYD getting 34%.

Hmm, so is there a chance of the 744ER continuing to fly ???-DFW-BNE after the 2013 A380 arrives?

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