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Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:45 am

I think we have one of these all the time but im wondering for this summer where Delta will be flying the domestic widebodies?

i know we have o/w generally for the summer
3x ATL-SLC
5x ALT-LAX
2x ATL-SAN
2x ATL-SFO
1x ATL-JFK
1x MSP-LAX
2x DTW-LAX
1x SLC-HNL
1x ATL-HNL
1x LAX-HNL

im wondering if there are any odd balls out there? Does JFK have any more domestic widebody flights? Its good to see Delta have so many widebody domestic flights still when alot of other airlines have reduced them. Deltas domestic 767s with the PTVS are now a pretty nice ride.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:10 am

Add ATL to SEA 2x 763
ATL to LAS 2x 763
MSP to SEA 1x 763
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:13 pm

So I can pretty much guarantee that this will change a bit before the summer, but as of now here's the domestic widebody schedule on June 14, 2012:

ATL-SEA 1x 763
ATL-SFO 2x 763
ATL-LAX 3x 763, 1x 77L
ATL-SAN 2x 763
ATL-SLC 3x 763
ATL-JFK 1x 767
ATL-SJU 1x 763
ATL-HNL 1x 333
MSP-SEA 1x 763
MSP-LAX 1x 763
DTW-SFO 2x 763
DTW-LAX 2x 763
LAX-HNL 1x 763
SLC-HNL 1x 763
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:52 pm

I know in the past couple of years there have been quite a few Widebody routes from DTW, MSP, and ATL to LAX. IIRC, DTW had a 767, MSP had 1 763, and ATL had a mix of 772, 77L, 333, and 767's. I also recall one or two 777's (both ER and LR) being routed on ATL-DTW.

Will all of these go by the wayside for Summer Flying?
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:21 pm

JFK-SEA sees 2x weekly 767 flatbed service, not sure if its staying for the summer or not..
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:07 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
DTW-SFO 2x 763

I'm surprised with upgauge...currently it's a mix 320, 738s
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:10 am

MSP-SEA saw three 763s a day last year. Looks like two are gone and are back to 753s like in the past.

DTW-SFO must have grabbed them as I don't remember that route seeing a 763 last year.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:24 am

This was not scheduled but wide-body nonetheless, last July or August: JFK-DTW B744
(It was a diverted flight originally scheduled TLV-JFK. Ended up making a stop in AMS due to bird ingestion. It left the next day from AMS to DTW with a stop at JFK. Local traffic was permitted on)
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:25 am

A bit surprised about the 2x 763s on DTWSFO. Did DL operate widebodies on this route last summer?

I just did a random search for June 15, and it shows 3x 763s on ATLSFO.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:01 am

The first flight of my life was a Delta 767 (IIRC), SLC-JFK in August 1997. Good memories. I'd love to see a widebody back on that route.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 8):
A bit surprised about the 2x 763s on DTWSFO. Did DL operate widebodies on this route last summer?

I'm surprised as well. And no, last summer no regularly scheduled 763 service
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
MSP-SEA saw three 763s a day last year. Looks like two are gone and are back to 753s like in the past.

Is DL using a MSP - SEA - MSP as a fill in between trips to AMS or NRT?

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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:27 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 4):
JFK-SEA sees 2x weekly 767 flatbed service, not sure if its staying for the summer or not..

Unfortunately the flatbed 76Ts will be yanked from the SEA-KIX/PEK services with the summer schedule for use on the LHR-MIA/JFK and ATL-BRU flights so no need to reposition the 76Ts to SEA any longer....
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting davescj (Reply 11):

No, only domestic 767s are being used to SEA and LAX from MSP/DTW.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 12):
Unfortunately the flatbed 76Ts will be yanked from the SEA-KIX/PEK services with the summer schedule for use on the LHR-MIA/JFK and ATL-BRU flights so no need to reposition the 76Ts to SEA any longer....

Except LHR-MIA is being axed in April or May, I believe.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:32 am

I see a lot of 772s and 77Ls being used in the morning ATL-DTW as reposition flights in the summer
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:33 am

Quoting davescj (Reply 11):

Is DL using a MSP - SEA - MSP as a fill in between trips to AMS or NRT?

As mentioned above, no. In fact, since DL came on board, I don't believe MSP has ever seen a regularly scheduled domestic repositioning flight of an internationally configured aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:36 am

Not exactly a widebody - but is 757 coming back to ATL-SJC for the summer?
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:03 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 16):
As mentioned above, no. In fact, since DL came on board, I don't believe MSP has ever seen a regularly scheduled domestic repositioning flight of an internationally configured aircraft.

Only one I can think of is in Spring 2009, there was a daily A330-300 on MSP-ATL-MSP to get A330s down to Atlanta for some trans-Atlantic flying.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:52 pm

I came into work today at LAS and saw an A330 (854NW) parked at gate A14. I know it's not quite the summer yet but will Delta be flying one of their 330's in here on a daily basis now or was this just a replacement aircraft of some sort? According to Flight Aware this was a scheduled flight to ATL.

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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:56 pm

So, without adding frequencies because the type of a/c changes on certain dates and may not even operate on some days, these are the routes that will see widebody a/c

ATL-HNL
ATL-JFK (daily 763ER repositioning)
ATL-LAS
ATL-LAX
ATL-SAN
ATL-SEA
ATL-SFO
ATL-SJU
ATL-SLC
DTW-LAX
DTW-SFO
LAX-HNL
MSP-LAX
MSP-SEA
SLC-HNL

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
So I can pretty much guarantee that this will change a bit before the summer


Work began on the June schedule back in December and it's pretty much set in stone although it doesn't officially close out until early April. I won't expect much changes if any.

Quoting davescj (Reply 11):
Is DL using a MSP - SEA - MSP as a fill in between trips to AMS or NRT?

Dave

The a/c being used on MSP-SEA are 76Qs (domestic 767s) so no.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 16):
As mentioned above, no. In fact, since DL came on board, I don't believe MSP has ever seen a regularly scheduled domestic repositioning flight of an internationally configured aircraft.
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 18):

Only one I can think of is in Spring 2009, there was a daily A330-300 on MSP-ATL-MSP to get A330s down to Atlanta for some trans-Atlantic flying.

Regularly scheduled no but they did run a 332 ATL-MSP on flight 300 for about a week straight some months back for repositioning as well as a 333 on the same flight number not too long ago. Also for the past several months, on some Saturdays you can find a 76Q on ATL-MSP.

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 19):
I came into work today at LAS and saw an A330 (854NW) parked at gate A14. I know it's not quite the summer yet but will Delta be flying one of their 330's in here on a daily basis now or was this just a replacement aircraft of some sort? According to Flight Aware this was a scheduled flight to ATL.

It was a regularly scheduled flight (DL 2357 out and DL 28 back) but the a/c was a sub from a 76Q.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 18):
Only one I can think of is in Spring 2009, there was a daily A330-300 on MSP-ATL-MSP to get A330s down to Atlanta for some trans-Atlantic flying.

You're right, totally forgot about that one. I even used to try see the A330s as they started their descent into MSP. It was pretty brief service too, maybe two months.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:35 pm

Last summer my station got random 76Qs, 763ERs, and even an A330-2 as a replacement for the the nightly 753 to ATL... We have a daily 763 right now for the month of March and only March.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22):
Last summer my station got random 76Qs, 763ERs, and even an A330-2 as a replacement for the the nightly 753 to ATL... We have a daily 763 right now for the month of March and only March.

BOS, MCO, LGA and a few others will get scheduled 76Qs but I can't see it this far out. When I say scheduled I don't mean regularly scheduled but in the fact that days have already been planned for them weeks out. One day here, one day there type of thing. Not equipment subs which happens as close as a day out if not a few hours.

for example, BON will get the 753 on some days of the way in a particular month. Not regularly scheduled but the flights had been pre-planned for the equipment.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:07 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
Not equipment subs which happens as close as a day out if not a few hours.

I totally understand how the scheduling works. It just seems to be a gamble when something gets subbed in on an upgrade from a 757 to a 767 or a A330 from a MD-90
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 24):
I totally understand how the scheduling works. It just seems to be a gamble when something gets subbed in on an upgrade from a 757 to a 767 or a A330 from a MD-90



Of course it is that's why it's called a sub   I was merely conveying to other posters that don't really understand how DL scheduling works. They may see a 763 or 2 on ATL-BOS and think it was last minute but actually planed 3-4 months prior.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:54 am

I would just love to see a 67 ATL-ORD-ATL, I'm tired of stacking mail and trying to figure out how to get 4 carts on a MD88.

[Edited 2012-03-05 20:54:35]
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 26):
I would just love to see a 67 ATL-ORD-ATL, I'm tired of stacking mail and trying to figure out how to get 4 carts on a MD88.

LOL and im sure the downline stations hate downloading it! Nothing like pulling up an offload report and seeing bags in 6, 5, and 4 with mail in 3 AND 2
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:43 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 26):
I would just love to see a 67 ATL-ORD-ATL, I'm tired of stacking mail and trying to figure out how to get 4 carts on a MD88.

So that was your excellent stacking work?? Why can't they get the mail on the 7am 757 departure for ATL. It would be easier to stack and is capable of lots of cargo capacity.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 27):

LOL and im sure the downline stations hate downloading it! Nothing like pulling up an offload report and seeing bags in 6, 5, and 4 with mail in 3 AND 2

I agree with you both, atleast send more than one 757 up to ORD. I unloaded an MD-88 from ORD last week and it had bags in bins 4-6 with mail neatly stuffed in bins 1-3 of an MD-88. With 1200lbs of mail in Bin 1 alone. You know there is alot of cargo when bin 1 has more than live animals on a MD-88.

Too bad they can't route the 67 that goes to CDG on the ORD-ATL for rotatin purposes.

[Edited 2012-03-05 23:45:55]
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:48 am

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 28):
agree with you both, atleast send more than one 757 up to ORD. I unloaded an MD-88 from ORD last week and it had bags in bins 4-6 with mail neatly stuffed in bins 1-3 of an MD-88. With 1200lbs of mail in Bin 1 alone. You know there is alot of cargo when bin 1 has more than live animals on a MD-88.

One thing I LOVED about MCO! The ratio of 88s to 757s and 767s leaned in favor of the latter group! But from my past experience, the most we would see in one were wheel chairs, car seats/strollers and the like. You're in good shape if ALIS would even let you put anything in 1 with such a long trip.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:45 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 27):
LOL and im sure the downline stations hate downloading it! Nothing like pulling up an offload report and seeing bags in 6, 5, and 4 with mail in 3 AND 2

Yeah, I always figure ATL loves seeing those flights from us. I loaded 1877 ORD-ATL on Sunday with mail in 2, 5, and 6, with bags in 1, 3, and 4!

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 28):
So that was your excellent stacking work?? Why can't they get the mail on the 7am 757 departure for ATL. It would be easier to stack and is capable of lots of cargo capacity.

You're welcome.  

We used to be able to load up the 757 with 4, 5, or even 6 carts. They would bring over all the mail for the day in the morning and when the AM shift starts they'll start bulking out the back with mail. We would often see 8 carts sitting there.

But that changed when they said that we couldn't load anything on the plane that wasn't loaded on ALIS. So now mail just sets up carts staged throughout the day, but they keep forgetting we have to put passengers on our side and they usually come with things called luggage that they would like to receive when they get to their destination so they often set up 4 carts for a flight and we can only take 1 or 2. So we quickly fall behind, especially on this schedule with 1677 being a DC9.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 28):
I agree with you both, atleast send more than one 757 up to ORD. I unloaded an MD-88 from ORD last week and it had bags in bins 4-6 with mail neatly stuffed in bins 1-3 of an MD-88. With 1200lbs of mail in Bin 1 alone. You know there is alot of cargo when bin 1 has more than live animals on a MD-88.

Yeah, we say the same thing all the time. And it doesn't even have to be 757s, just more 320s or 737s would be great! They have about the same number or seats, but can take mail much easier than an 88. We try to have two crews for every ATL, one does the bags, the other loads the mail.

Of course the best would be one 767 early afternoon and we could do it with one crew. It's not like we'd send it with empty seats, instead of 2 MD88s make it 1 767 and 1 RJ and it's roughly the same number of seats, and we'd make the money with the mail.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:16 pm

I really hope SJU-ATL remains on a 763. I am booked one of those flights in July. Considering I already had two of my flights downgraded to non-AVOD aircraft (PHX-JFK and JFK-SJU in May), I hope this doesn't get downgraded to a non-AVOD 757.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:32 pm

Every time I go through ATL I notice a DL 777 flight to MCO. I believe they may have a wide body flight to FLL or MIA.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 31):
I really hope SJU-ATL remains on a 763. I am booked one of those flights in July. Considering I already had two of my flights downgraded to non-AVOD aircraft (PHX-JFK and JFK-SJU in May), I hope this doesn't get downgraded to a non-AVOD 757.



75X are used as place-holders for many flights. At the end of the day a 757 is a 757 for scheduling purposes on most flights. Ship numbers are usually assigned to flights 3 days out so if your 75X was pulled out of 'rotation' as we like to call it meaning it was suppose to do FLL-ATL-LGA-ATL-PHX-JFK but a 75 on ATL-DFW broken so they subbed your a/c for it, now another ship will fill in the rotation to complete ATL-PHX-JFK and so on for the following days. Of course with it being so far out, the system will only allow so many 75Xs to be scheduled on any # of rotues for a day so they most likey exceeded that number when you PHX-JFK and JFK-SJU was operating so a 757 code was thrown in. Don't be surprised if it goes back to a PTV 757.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 32):
Every time I go through ATL I notice a DL 777 flight to MCO. I believe they may have a wide body flight to FLL or MIA.



I can't tell you the last time i've seen a T7 subbed to MCO so i'm not sure what you mean bu "every time"   76Qs and 763ERs, sure. I've even seen a 330 once or twice in the last several months but can't recal a 777.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 28):
So that was your excellent stacking work?? Why can't they get the mail on the 7am 757 departure for ATL. It would be easier to stack and is capable of lots of cargo capacity.

You can stack trays for days in the '57!

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 30):
But that changed when they said that we couldn't load anything on the plane that wasn't loaded on ALIS.

What? Why not? If the load plan'll work, what's the issue?
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 33):
75X are used as place-holders for many flights. At the end of the day a 757 is a 757 for scheduling purposes on most flights. Ship numbers are usually assigned to flights 3 days out so if your 75X was pulled out of 'rotation' as we like to call it meaning it was suppose to do FLL-ATL-LGA-ATL-PHX-JFK but a 75 on ATL-DFW broken so they subbed your a/c for it, now another ship will fill in the rotation to complete ATL-PHX-JFK and so on for the following days. Of course with it being so far out, the system will only allow so many 75Xs to be scheduled on any # of rotues for a day so they most likey exceeded that number when you PHX-JFK and JFK-SJU was operating so a 757 code was thrown in. Don't be surprised if it goes back to a PTV 757.

FYI, PHX-JFK is a 738 (it was previously a 73H).
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 35):
FYI, PHX-JFK is a 738 (it was previously a 73H).

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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 34):
What? Why not? If the load plan'll work, what's the issue?

They've ran an experiment at ORD. Last fall we had a couple of load planners up from ATL that planned all of the flights for the AM shift and we were told to load it to their plan. And ever since then we've worked under the rule that if it isn't in ALIS it doesn't go, not that we always do it according to that mandate. Most of us will take whatever we can, just to get out as much as we can. I think the ultimate goal was/is to reduce the number of ALAs across the system by only having a few planning every flight at each station.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 36):
Are you flying on a redeye?

Yes, I am (Flight 1984 on May 17 PHX-JFK).
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:32 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 37):
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 34):
What? Why not? If the load plan'll work, what's the issue?

They've ran an experiment at ORD. Last fall we had a couple of load planners up from ATL that planned all of the flights for the AM shift and we were told to load it to their plan. And ever since then we've worked under the rule that if it isn't in ALIS it doesn't go, not that we always do it according to that mandate. Most of us will take whatever we can, just to get out as much as we can. I think the ultimate goal was/is to reduce the number of ALAs across the system by only having a few planning every flight at each station.



Well the short version..from my understanding this is aimed more for cargo to follow proper procedures and stage cargo for the flights at a specific timeline so that the Dispatchers and Load planners have an accurate picture of the amount of pax, bags, and cargo for a flight so they can plan the proper amount of fuel for the flight to safely operate. Think of it as a fuel conservation initiative.

The ALA is still going to be required for every departure and should be plane side ensuring the airplane is loaded safely because they will be held responsible if any issues are discovered at the downline station. Not to mention that the ALA usually is the who does the push back.
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:51 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 37):
They've ran an experiment at ORD. Last fall we had a couple of load planners up from ATL that planned all of the flights for the AM shift and we were told to load it to their plan. And ever since then we've worked under the rule that if it isn't in ALIS it doesn't go, not that we always do it according to that mandate. Most of us will take whatever we can, just to get out as much as we can.

That's too bad. One of the best things about ALIS is the ability to get creative with the load plan. Sounds like someone let the visiting ATL planners take that away from you guys.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:05 am

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 39):
Well the short version..from my understanding this is aimed more for cargo to follow proper procedures and stage cargo for the flights at a specific timeline so that the Dispatchers and Load planners have an accurate picture of the amount of pax, bags, and cargo for a flight so they can plan the proper amount of fuel for the flight to safely operate. Think of it as a fuel conservation initiative.

I think that was one aspect, and probably the one that won out in the boardrooms at ATL.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 39):
The ALA is still going to be required for every departure and should be plane side ensuring the airplane is loaded safely because they will be held responsible if any issues are discovered at the downline station. Not to mention that the ALA usually is the who does the push back.

But, I also heard rumors of some execs wanting to reduce ALAs, and instead having AICs in charge of the flights as you don't need 3 days of training to learn how to count bags with 1 or 2 ALAs telling the AIC how to load the flight.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 40):
That's too bad. One of the best things about ALIS is the ability to get creative with the load plan. Sounds like someone let the visiting ATL planners take that away from you guys.

I had the sudden urge to type DDLR into DLTerm.   The NW people were, yep this is familiar, meanwhile the DL people thought this was the newest thing in the world.  
 
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:06 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 41):
But, I also heard rumors of some execs wanting to reduce ALAs, and instead having AICs in charge of the flights as you don't need 3 days of training to learn how to count bags with 1 or 2 ALAs telling the AIC how to load the flight.

Not sure who started this one...the big push is to actually have an ALA planeside at every flight; mainline flight at least. The way NW staffed leads and they way DL does it is very different. In a "unit" there may be one lead covering 2 or 3 gates but there will be AIC qualified agents in the mix to close the flight out and "run" the gate while the ALA/Chief is taking care of the whole unit; running ALIS, etc. In Atlanta, there are still load centers so there is no need for the ALA to ever go inside. He prints out what the planner has for the bags and go from there, moving things around if he has to.

As a matter of fact, MSP is looking for 50 more ALAs to be able to cover most to all the gates like how the other DL hubs are set up.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 40):
That's too bad. One of the best things about ALIS is the ability to get creative with the load plan. Sounds like someone let the visiting ATL planners take that away from you guys.

IDK but even here, if mail isn't staged you're suppose to call the planner before simply adding it to the bin weights in ALIS. As for moving around the bags, nobody really cares. I've seen some print-outs in the past where they have bags in every bin except for 1 on an 88 when in reality you stuff everything in 6 and 5 first then move forward with the excess. Or a 752 with the freight in 2, with bags in 1, 3, AND 4 when in reality you can get away with using just one end (1 and 2 or 3 and 4) and your aft index will still be fine.
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RE: Delta Summer Domestic Widebody Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:20 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 41):
I had the sudden urge to type DDLR into DLTerm.   The NW people were, yep this is familiar, meanwhile the DL people thought this was the newest thing in the world.  

Lol. Old habits die hard.  
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):
IDK but even here, if mail isn't staged you're suppose to call the planner before simply adding it to the bin weights in ALIS. As for moving around the bags, nobody really cares. I've seen some print-outs in the past where they have bags in every bin except for 1 on an 88 when in reality you stuff everything in 6 and 5 first then move forward with the excess. Or a 752 with the freight in 2, with bags in 1, 3, AND 4 when in reality you can get away with using just one end (1 and 2 or 3 and 4) and your aft index will still be fine.

  

Kinda what I was driving at. I get odd ball load plans all the time, and move it around to do what works. As for adding unplanned items, I'm not saying just throw on 5k of mail w/o letting anyone know, but if you have some, and after plugging in the numbers, it still works aft index-wise, then why not? That's the nice thing about ALIS; you can see if it'll fly (no pun intended) before you actually load it.
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