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SAN: Phil's BBQ coming to Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:22 am

Phil's BBQ is coming to Terminal 2!!!

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/peopl...6-64ad-11e1-830b-0019bb2963f4.html

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:39 am

Mmmmmmmmmmmm! Yeah, there's going to be lots of good food and shopping at the airport later this year and next.

Here's a link to the list of new concessions/retailers at SAN:
http://www.san.org/sdia/at_the_airport/upcoming_concessions.aspx

p.s. Congrat's to you on your 1000th post, IR!

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:29 am

I agree with the major compaint regarding food offerings in Terminal 1. The only sit down offering is in the WN gates 1 and 2 section. Since security lines are long, many arrive rather early for flights. A couple of relaxing places would be great. I recognize the space limitation and the need for reconfiguration to accomplish this.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:13 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 2):
I agree with the major compaint regarding food offerings in Terminal 1. The only sit down offering is in the WN gates 1 and 2 section. Since security lines are long, many arrive rather early for flights. A couple of relaxing places would be great. I recognize the space limitation and the need for reconfiguration to accomplish this.

There's a LOT of remodeling going on at SAN these days besides the Green Build (10 new gates and elevated roadway being the major components.) Unfortunately, a complete remake of T1 is some years away -- probably waiting until all the dust settles from the current construction, and they decide exactly what they will do about T1.

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SAN: Phil's BBQ coming to Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:24 am

The WN (and AS) terminal sucks. I've harped on this time and time again. It sucks. It's the worst terminal in the system. There's no sit down place in the gate 1-2 area (or wasn't last time I was there). There is that Yan-Can-Cook place before security for the horrible mess.

I show up for my WN flight, 30 minutes before departure and zip through the priority line. I love the terrible glares I get from people who wait for 1+ hour to get through, and I'm in and out in 10-15 minutes.

I love SAN and that airport is really convenient, but the WN digs are awful. Is AS moving to the "new" T2?
 
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SAN: Phil's BBQ coming to Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:20 am

Phil's BBQ at SAN sounds good, but unless they provide plenty of seating, they might end up with lots of people waiting to be seated, like the long line at the Sports Arena Blvd location (I like their beef ribs, so I usually go there at lunch time during weekdays to avoid the long line).

If an airport restaurant at a busy airport makes good food, then there's a chance that there will be long wait times for a table. I was transiting through IAH this past Friday, so I had lunch at Pappadeaux Seafood Kitchen. I was fortunate enough to arrive at the restaurant around noon, because I didn't have to wait for a table. After 1:00 pm, there were a lot of people that were waiting to be seated.

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SAN: Phil's BBQ coming to Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
The WN (and AS) terminal sucks. I've harped on this time and time again. It sucks. It's the worst terminal in the system.

T-1 is 1960's era, pretty ancient by today's standard. I think they're deciding what to do with it. They've remodeled
it so much now, I'm betting the final decision is to eventually demolish it and rebuild from the ground up.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
I love SAN and that airport is really convenient, but the WN digs are awful. Is AS moving to the "new" T2?

I'm not sure about AS moving, but UA is supposed to be the new tenants of the new 10 gates in T-2. When UA moves
it will be the first time UA has moved to the new terminals. They have been at Terminal 1 since it opened in
1967. That's 44 years! One interesting thing I saw today, CO is gone from the signage, It now says United on the T-2
signs but also has in small print "Houston and Newark flights".

As for Phil's Barbecue opening at SAN, I'm guessing the airlines are not going to like barbecue stains all over their
cabins! 

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:35 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
The WN (and AS) terminal sucks. I've harped on this time and time again.

Yes you have and it is duly noted. (And surprise surprise, you're not the only traveler who doesn't care for T1!. Which is one reason I said what I did in my post #3.)

The terminal is approaching its 50 year anniversary although the pre-security parts (such as the ticketing lobby and baggage claim area) don't seem that bad but I know the gate areas are in need of, well, replacement is probably the best term to use! WN, UA and AS are the only cx but they make pretty heavy use of all 19 gates there. I have noticed that WN's pax volume has been steadily decreasing for most of the last year (even though the ariport's overall pax traffic level has held steady) so maybe people are finally getting tired of the bad conditions and are choosing other cx.

UA will be moving their T1 op's over to the new gates (the Green Build T2W expansion) before next summer. I have had no luck finding out what AS's plans are; perhaps they will take over the entire West Rotunda once UA leaves, or maybe they will also move to T2W.

However, next year you will have lots more eating opportunities in T1 so I hope that will help. (Just go to the link I placed in my reply #1, and click the "Download New Concession Map" button which shows all the new places in each terminal.)

(Sorry SANMAN' for the duplication of our posts; I got pulled off A.net for a while mid-way through this post.)

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:07 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
Yes you have and it is duly noted.

I'm going to continue harping on it until they obliterate that terminal. The City of San Diego and Southwest should be ashamed of that terminal. It's (post security) a disgrace to an otherwise wonderful city. It really makes an awful impression on first time visitors, especially since WN is the dominant carrier there.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
However, next year you will have lots more eating opportunities in T1 so I hope that will help. (Just go to the link I placed in my reply #1, and click the "Download New Concession Map" button which shows all the new places in each terminal.)

I try to spend as little time in there as possible. I have one secret place that's quiet and away from the sea of humanity in that terminal, and I guard its location like KFC guards the secret recipe.

That being said, I miss the Boudin Bakery in the food court. I was sad when they replaced it with that deli.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
I have noticed that WN's pax volume has been steadily decreasing for most of the last year (even though the ariport's overall pax traffic level has held steady) so maybe people are finally getting tired of the bad conditions and are choosing other cx.

My theory about the pax dropoff from WN is that the airfares are now equal to legacy carriers. Pax are going to
other carriers because the other carriers offer more in-flight services than WN, such as IFE, more snacks (B.O.B) than just peanuts and soft drinks. I don't think it's just T-1 at Lindbergh, but it's the higher airfares. Why pay more
for hardly any amenities when you can pay the same amount for more amenities?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
(Sorry SANMAN' for the duplication of our posts; I got pulled off A.net for a while mid-way through this post.)

No problem! 'B!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
there's going to be lots of good food and shopping at the airport later this year and next.

With all the new retail and eateries, I'll bet T-2W is going to look like an indoor shopping mall! Last summer I was at
RDU and they recently opened their new Terminal-2, and it looks almost like a mall, their older, Terminal-1 had only
WN and FL there, similar to Lindbergh. I counted 52 new retail and eateries coming to SAN!
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
Here's a link to the list of new concessions/retailers at SAN:
http://www.san.org/sdia/at_the_airport/upcoming_concessions.aspx

p.s. Congrat's to you on your 1000th post, IR!

I see Stone Brewery is on that list! And thanks!

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 6):
When UA moves
it will be the first time UA has moved to the new terminals. They have been at Terminal 1 since it opened in
1967. That's 44 years!

That's pretty interesting. It definitely shows. Whenever I arrive at or leave T-2 I think...ok this is a modern looking airport. T-1 though...T-1 is a disgrace. The gate 1 and 2 area is nice in that whenever I get a flight that departs from there (LAS and BWI so far) but that's just because the security line is super short. I think if they built a connector bridge between the two , wiped out some counters and moved the baggage claim to the normal location, they could have 3 security lanes that all feed into one terminal and improve the situation a little. I wonder how feasible that is?

It's obviously pre 9/11 but the food court is completely useless. I can't eat there unless it's McDonald's, and even then I can't get coffee because I can't finish it in time. Who gets to the airport with enough time to have a sit down meal there? I think that's maybe why Rubio's left.

That's another thing. The one thing SAN does NOT have is real SoCal Mexican food!!!! Both Rubio's and a taco shop would do VERY well there. I mean SoCal Mexican food is MADE for travel (burritos, tacos, quesadillas). If I could get a California burrito before my flight I'd be a happy man. Who cares if it smells.

I think the ultimate solution to this problem, if this is going to be THE airport for the region until 2050 (which it looks like it will be) is tear down T1 completely and build the "green build" on the other side as well. Just having one terminal would free up some space too. I think they could maybe even add a gate or two in the process by using the space more efficiently.

I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport.

Also, does anyone know if they plan to do the whole trolley stop thing with the underground walkway? Or was that just a pipe dream?

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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport.

Please do! I flew out of the commuter termial last night after flying into T2 last week. I was very impressed with T2. It felt like california as soon as I stepped into the terminal from the jetway. With only four gates the comuter terminal seems pointless, and I hate beiung sequestered in a small area with out being able to walk around the rest of the airport.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport.

I thought that would be a good idea if they would simply move the UA cargo building over to cargo side, that
could free up more space for expansion. I agree, T-1 needs to be replaced. They can't do much more to it
to bring it up to today's standards. T-2E, the concourse that resembles T-1 was built in 1979, and they called it
the West Terminal at the time. As SANFan mentioned, as soon as the Green build is open, they'll decide what to
do with T-1. A plan was proposed to put a central terminal on the North side and incorporate the Trolley and
Amtrak into it. But the biggest problem I have with this proposal is the gates will still be on the South side, but
connected by an underground people-mover system to the central terminal. The biggest question is how do they
plan to tunnel under the active runway?

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
The one thing SAN does NOT have is real SoCal Mexican food!!!! Both Rubio's and a taco shop would do VERY well there. I mean SoCal Mexican food is MADE for travel (burritos, tacos, quesadillas). If I could get a California burrito before my flight I'd be a happy man. Who cares if it smells.

Maybe a Roberto's Taco shop or two? Imagine the "natural gas" smell on a long flight after eating bean burritos? 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
I think the ultimate solution to this problem, if this is going to be THE airport for the region until 2050 (which it looks like it will be) is tear down T1 completely and build the "green build" on the other side as well. Just having one terminal would free up some space too. I think they could maybe even add a gate or two in the process by using the space more efficiently.

I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport

The problem is T1 (and over to the east past the UA Cargo Bldg and the Commuter Terminal) are all very close to the runway. As the airport gets busier, there really needs to be room for either 2 taxiways south of the runway (one going east and one going west) or at least plenty of room for planes to pass each other going in opposie directions.

There has been mention of a linear terminal to replace T1 -- primarily for WN -- as there is more room available east of the CT as the Ryan/Teledyne buildings are removed and the land cleaned up. There is about to be a long-term plan undertaken which will address the (probable) replacement of T1 and the CT and how all the "new" land available on the southeast part of the airport property will be best used.

One last thing to be remembered is that with the single runway, there is not a whole lot more expansion of gates and terminals that can occur at Lindbergh; the single runway will only support so many flights, which will only require so many gates, etc. (Seems to me the max number of gates expected is somewhere around 65-ish and with the completed Green Build, mainline gates will number 51 + the 4 CT gates.)

Believe me, the SDCRAA (and SDIA) are aware of the age and issues with T1 and will do something about it as soon as feasable. I would tend to think that the 10 new gates in T2W will come in very handy as T1 is gradually "emptied out" so something can be done to it!

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
I would tend to think that the 10 new gates in T2W will come in very handy as T1 is gradually "emptied out" so something can be done to it!

What they would probably do is demolish the T-1W rotunda after UA moves to T-2W, and begin construction on
the replacement terminal , while WN is still in T-1E, WN can move over to the completed half while demolition
and construction begins on T-2E, simply build one half at a time.
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
Maybe a Roberto's Taco shop or two? Imagine the "natural gas" smell on a long flight after eating bean burritos?

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:27 pm

I realize it's not authentic Mexican food (I think it's owned by Jack-in-the-Box), but Qdoba Mexican Grill
is included in the new restaurants coming to SAN.
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
I thought that would be a good idea if they would simply move the UA cargo building over to cargo side, that could free up more space for expansion. I agree, T-1 needs to be replaced. They can't do much more to it
to bring it up to today's standards. T-2E, the concourse that resembles T-1 was built in 1979, and they called it the West Terminal at the time. As SANFan mentioned, as soon as the Green build is open, they'll decide what to do with T-1. A plan was proposed to put a central terminal on the North side and incorporate the Trolley and Amtrak into it. But the biggest problem I have with this proposal is the gates will still be on the South side, but connected by an underground people-mover system to the central terminal. The biggest question is how do they plan to tunnel under the active runway?

It's pretty interesting to look at all the concepts they have for SAN Terminal 1. Check them out here, starting on page 13 (We can only hope for the later plans with the new runway!):
http://www.san.org/documents/amp/ado...iminaryConceptDev_V04-21-08_LR.pdf

All the info in located here: http://www.san.org/sdcraa/airport_in...tives/master_plan/master_plan.aspx

For now bringing Phil's BBQ to the airport is going to be a nice.

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:30 pm

Slightly off topic but... Nothing will be as good at the Windsock Bar/Grill was. The old school folks form SAN will remember.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 18):
Slightly off topic but... Nothing will be as good at the Windsock Bar/Grill was. The old school folks form SAN will remember.

You are right, I do remember it and remember it fondly. Though I remember Boomers Restaurant even more fondly...     

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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 6):
As for Phil's Barbecue opening at SAN, I'm guessing the airlines are not going to like barbecue stains all over their cabins!

That's amazing. Phil's web site says he has a large operation out in San Marcos -- where my brother lives -- yet I've never heard of him.

Anyway -- renderings of the new T-2 "Green Build" make it look like quite the Ritz.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWiUB06uEug&feature=related

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 18):
Slightly off topic but nothing will be as good at the Windsock Bar/Grill was. The old school folks form SAN will remember.

This whole thread is "off-topic" so not to worry!

Quoting tugger (Reply 19):
You are right, I do remember it and remember it fondly. Though I remember Boomers Restaurant even more fondly...

Ah yes -- fond memories of both, listening to the tower and pilots while sipping a tall cool one...  

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Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
Ah yes -- fond memories of both, listening to the tower and pilots while sipping a tall cool one...

IIRC, it was called Booms Trenchard's before Windsock. I remember they had stuffed potato skins (delicious!)
I'll never forget the little phone receivers by the picture windows to listen in on the ATC. It had a WWII theme.
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 22):
Booms Trenchard's

YES!! That's it! Don't like that I screwed that one up!    Of course I was a bit young so never "tossed back a cool one" there (that I did at Windsock's) but I always loved going there and eating and watching the planes and the activities at the airport.

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Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:18 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 23):
but I always loved going there and eating and watching the planes and the activities at the airport.

Absolutely. I remember tossing back a couple and the DL L1011 would come in from Honolulu (I think?) and then leave for LAX. The sound was fantastic of her powering up for take off.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:32 am

Glad to hear they're really making SAN a great airport. Having lived in SAN for the last year or so, and now, traveling to SAN as a UAL employee to visit the GF, it's nice to know there are more options!!!

Oh, anyone know where the employee security lane is? T-1 and T-2?
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:53 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 22):
IIRC, it was called Booms Trenchard's before Windsock. I remember they had stuffed potato skins (delicious!)
I'll never forget the little phone receivers by the picture windows to listen in on the ATC. It had a WWII theme.

Is this where one of the final scenes in Top Gun was filmed? You know the one...Mav is about to quit the Navy, and Kelly McGillis comes in and says "I'll have what he's having, hemlock is it?"..."Ice water".

I always wondered where it was since it's still listed as being on the airport property on google maps and other sites.

Quoting tugger (Reply 17):
It's pretty interesting to look at all the concepts they have for SAN Terminal 1. Check them out here, starting on page 13 (We can only hope for the later plans with the new runway!):
http://www.san.org/documents/amp/ado...iminaryConceptDev_V04-21-08_LR.pdf

All the info in located here: http://www.san.org/sdcraa/airport_in...tives/master_plan/master_plan.aspx

For now bringing Phil's BBQ to the airport is going to be a nice.

Tugg

This is so cool! I think ultimately "concept C" (2030) is what I'd like to see, although it does seem a bit crowded (or "cozy" as they say). I really like the Consolidated Rental Car facility.

Here is what we need in lieu of a trolley station. An airport express bus that leaves from the closest existing trolley station (Middletown) every 10 minutes in addition to the one that leaves from Downtown. It would be much shorter than AirBART at OAK and that seems to be fairly popular.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 16):
I realize it's not authentic Mexican food (I think it's owned by Jack-in-the-Box), but Qdoba Mexican Grill
is included in the new restaurants coming to SAN.

Qdoba is actually not that bad. It's similar to Chipotle which everyone seems to like. The problem is they still don't have California burritos. Oh how fantastic that would be.

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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting irelayer (Reply 26):
I think ultimately "concept C" (2030) is what I'd like to see, although it does seem a bit crowded (or "cozy" as they say). I really like the Consolidated Rental Car facility.

I kind of like the "concept C" proposal too. If we could just get that second runway, it would be even better! However,
If they were able to build a second runway, they would have to replace the tower.

Quoting irelayer (Reply 26):
Is this where one of the final scenes in Top Gun was filmed? You know the one...Mav is about to quit the Navy, and Kelly McGillis comes in and says "I'll have what he's having, hemlock is it?"..."Ice water".

I always wondered where it was since it's still listed as being on the airport property on google maps and other sites

I think that's where it was. It used to be right next to the Landmark aviation building. There's a parking lot where
the restaurant once stood.
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting irelayer (Reply 26):
Is this where one of the final scenes in Top Gun was filmed? You know the one...

Yes, if you look close in the background you can see a WN 737 coming in to land. The place was pretty cool back in the 90's. Many "locals" were there and the staff was very nice. IIRC it was on the second story of Jim's Air, which I think has since been sold. Sometimes a celeb would be in there having a bite to eat and I never saw anyone bothering them, but then again most of us were there for the planes.
 
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:52 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 27):
If we could just get that second runway, it would be even better!

SAN will never get a second runway. Unless they move to Miramar.
 
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 29):
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 27):
If we could just get that second runway, it would be even better!

SAN will never get a second runway. Unless they move to Miramar.

The "Concept F" that has a new runway is possible and I could see it happening because the MCRD will move someday. Either up to Pendelton or merged into Parris island (which I do not think is a good idea but who cares about my opinion). When that does happen, Concept F could be a possibility. And while it is a "second runway" I would not truly classify it as such as it would replace the current runway and all ops would happen on it. It would be, more accurately, a new runway.

I personally could care less about getting more runways, I am more concerned with getting more usability out of Lindbergh and not being limited to certain types of aircraft for intercontinental flights (fully loaded would be nice too). Concept F allows this and even the key home owners (Pt. Loma) in the area might be open to it as the noise impact goes out over Midway Dr. (a mostly commercial and industrial area) and South Mission Bay and eases noise over Pt. Loma.

(OK way off topic, but come on, how excited can one be and how much of a real discussion can revolve around the arrival of one airport restaurant - not that Phil's isn't really tasty and a nice addition.  Smile )

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Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:32 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 30):
(OK way off topic, but come on, how excited can one be and how much of a real discussion can revolve around the arrival of one airport restaurant - not that Phil's isn't really tasty and a nice addition. Smile )

I had originally just submitted the article link, which was a Q&A with the Airport Authority CEO, and the title got changed from "SAN Article" (admittedly not the best choice) to the current one.

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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 30):
The "Concept F" that has a new runway is possible and I could see it happening because the MCRD will move someday. Either up to Pendelton or merged into Parris island (which I do not think is a good idea but who cares about my opinion). When that does happen, Concept F could be a possibility. And while it is a "second runway" I would not truly classify it as such as it would replace the current runway and all ops would happen on it. It would be, more accurately, a new runway.

I personally could care less about getting more runways, I am more concerned with getting more usability out of Lindbergh and not being limited to certain types of aircraft for intercontinental flights (fully loaded would be nice too). Concept F allows this and even the key home owners (Pt. Loma) in the area might be open to it as the noise impact goes out over Midway Dr. (a mostly commercial and industrial area) and South Mission Bay and eases noise over Pt. Loma.

Before we get back on topic, if they were to build a new runway, would they close the current rwy 27? I wonder
what would be the length of the new runway? My thinking is they would use the current 27 for landings and the
new one for takeoffs, or vice versa. I don't think simultaneous takeoffs are possible because the runways are close together. Two runways are necessary to get maximun usability out of SAN, they can close one runway (for repairs,
or in case of emergencies) and still allow flights to takeoff and land ".Concept-F" will still have areas for terminal
expansion if and when needed.
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:41 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
Before we get back on topic, if they were to build a new runway, would they close the current rwy 27? I wonder
what would be the length of the new runway? My thinking is they would use the current 27 for landings and the
new one for takeoffs, or vice versa. I don't think simultaneous takeoffs are possible because the runways are close together. Two runways are necessary to get maximun usability out of SAN, they can close one runway (for repairs,
or in case of emergencies) and still allow flights to takeoff and land ".Concept-F" will still have areas for terminal
expansion if and when needed.

They can't get parallel runways (I think it's stated in the concept text), but what they can do is make the new runway a bit longer and orient it to avoid Point Loma all together. However...how would it work when taking off to the east or landing from the east? Surely there are buildings in the way...

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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:56 am

Quoting irelayer (Reply 33):
They can't get parallel runways (I think it's stated in the concept text), but what they can do is make the new runway a bit longer and orient it to avoid Point Loma all together. However...how would it work when taking off to the east or landing from the east? Surely there are buildings in the way...

They would have to keep the existing runway 27 for takeoffs to the east, but they could probably do simultaneous
landings from the west. The new runway could only be used for normal takeoffs to the west, but no landings from
the east.
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 29):
SAN will never get a second runway. Unless they move to Miramar.

Oh gawd!

Don't even go there.

I can already see Kearney-Mesa PTA moms and nimbys making placards.  
 
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:34 pm

I love, love, love Phil's BBQ, but I'm not so sure I want a heavy BBQ meal before I board a 5 hour flight someplace. I wonder also how they'll handle the smell. I can invision the entire airport smelling like BBQ just as Mission Hills did before Phil's moved over to the sports arena area!

Anyways, interesting stuff.

I couldn't get the san diego terminal proposals to load btw.
 
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
Oh gawd!

Don't even go there.

I can already see Kearney-Mesa PTA moms and nimbys making placards.

Yeah, the same ones where they get teary-eyed kids holding placards saying "Not near our schools!"
(Puleeeeze! give me a break!    )

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 36):
I wonder also how they'll handle the smell.

I've never eaten at Phil's, but I've seen the long lines of people waiting to go in and be seated at the Sports Arena
restaurant. I wonder how the airport's going to handle the long lines? There might not be lots of people eating heavy
barbecue meals before a long flight, but how many will want a big meal after coming off a long five hour flight
of B.O.Bs? I know I would!
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 36):
I'm not so sure I want a heavy BBQ meal before I board a 5 hour flight someplace

One good thing about eating a heavy barbecue meal before a long flight is you'll be able to sleep
throughout the entire flight!   
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):

Considering the overall size of SAN they do a great job for how many flights they operate daily.

IF you take into account the size of MCRD next door, and the enormous parking lot of cars which I cannot figure out for the life of me who owns them(!), you'd certainly be able to add a runway. But then the approach end of "27R" would be more tricky with the taller buildings more or less underneath that approach path. Mr. A's comes to mind as one, and some of the Balboa Park apartments that are well over 10-15 stories. So, hypothetically speaking, if they did put a second runway in, where would the cargo facilities and Landmark Aviation go? I, for one, have always enjoyed seeing various biz jets from a Saudi Registered G-5, to USAF 737's (can't recall how they call em) and the Trump 757 etc...

Now, does anyone know how you can go from a T-1 to T-2 flight without leaving security. I have yet to find the pathway. Using that main security lane at T-2 is a NIGHTMARE! (if you've done the 6am rush, you know what I mean).
 
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RE: SAN: Phil's BBQ Coming To Terminal 2

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting 777ord (Reply 39):
the approach end of "27R" would be more tricky with the taller buildings more or less underneath that approach path. Mr. A's comes to mind as one, and some of the Balboa Park apartments that are well over 10-15 stories.

They would most likely use "27R" for takeoffs only, while "27L" for landings.

Quoting 777ord (Reply 39):
if they did put a second runway in, where would the cargo facilities and Landmark Aviation go?

It looks like there would still be room for a relocated cargo area on the North side, but Landmark Aviation would
probably go wherethe Teledyne Ryan bldgs. once stood.

Quoting 777ord (Reply 39):
Now, does anyone know how you can go from a T-1 to T-2 flight without leaving security. I have yet to find the pathway. Using that main security lane at T-2 is a NIGHTMARE! (if you've done the 6am rush, you know what I mean).

I don't think there is any other way to get from T-1 to T-2 without leaving security, unless you cross the tarmac.
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