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American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:18 am

Hello All:

Sorry If this is mentioned elsewhere, but I'd like to know when or if Boeing started building the first AA 777-300ER yet, and what the delivery date is.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:28 am

First delivery isn't scheduled until November. What's the build time of a 77W?
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:23 am

That's going to be one clean and mean shiny bird. I can't wait to see it flying around.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:40 am

With that 3-5-3, 31" seat pitch, 4 lav economy cabin it will be anything but a "LuxuryLiner."
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:46 am

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
With that 3-5-3, 31" seat pitch, 4 lav economy cabin it will be anything but a "LuxuryLiner."

Give me a break. No airline in the world has 3-5-3 on a 777. It'll be 3-4-3 just like EK and others.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:50 am

Nothing offical is out of the cabin lay outs.....Just another hater
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 4):
Give me a break. No airline in the world has 3-5-3 on a 777. It'll be 3-4-3 just like EK and others.

Ah, another airlines B77W to avoid!

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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:30 am

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
Nothing offical is out of the cabin lay outs.....Just another hater

It has been, check their facebook page. Hate is a very harsh word to use my friend..
Its 3-4-3 on their Y. And its not even 32-34 inches like EK where you might get a little relief.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:45 am

Again There is nothing Offical From AA on FB or anywhere else there is a lot speculation from FB posts that is it..Again Nothing Offical so until you can see the seat map on AA.com you should old off comments.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:10 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 6):
Ah, another airlines B77W to avoid!

In my experience, AA is an airline to avoid anyway   

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
It has been, check their facebook page.

What I saw on their fb page was 2-5-2... Just as easily possible...
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:29 am

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
Its 3-4-3 on their Y.

With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on the Atlantic and similar AA/JL joint venture on the Pacific, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with BA and JL which are both 3-3-3 on 777s (excluding JL's high-density aircraft used on domestic routes).
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:58 am

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
Nothing offical is out of the cabin lay outs.....Just another hater

It has been, check their facebook page. Hate is a very harsh word to use my friend..
Its 3-4-3 on their Y. And its not even 32-34 inches like EK where you might get a little relief.

Which was never supposed to be posted in the first place - and AA temporarily took the pictures down, but the damage had already been done.

While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:08 am

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
With that 3-5-3, 31" seat pitch, 4 lav economy cabin it will be anything but a "LuxuryLiner."
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
It has been, check their facebook page. Hate is a very harsh word to use my friend..
Its 3-4-3 on their Y. And its not even 32-34 inches like EK where you might get a little relief.

There's nothing ANYWHERE that officially states any of these statements. We might see 3-4-3, but that's not even concrete. And where did you get that they'll have 4 lavs?

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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:41 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
In my experience, AA is an airline to avoid anyway   

Agreed haha. flying AA Has been way worse than any other experience on any US carrier, and needless to say that us carriers are quite bad in their service
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:04 am

Haven't heard anything. I'm still admiring the pictures AA posted. The F and C cabins look pretty nice. Good tones and trim looks decent for a 3*. The bar looks teeny, but it's a nudge in the right direction. As far as the 3x4x3 Y, oh well... it's not like it's unheard of... and it might not even be config'd that way.

Can't wait to see this super-long shiny tube take off!

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
"LuxuryLiner."

You're right, it won't be because for about a decade no American plane has carried the "LuxuryLiner" title.   
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:55 am

Surely they will not go 10 across in Y??!! They should be consistant with what BA at least have onver the pond and lets not forget those two countries have a few larger people can I say politely. I am sure it will be 3-3-3 when details are realeased. I Hope!   
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:18 pm

It will be 2-5-2, no question of it.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with BA and JL which are both 3-3-3

No, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with the 47 Boeing 777s they already have! Anyway it's not in question. 2-5-2 is what it'll be.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 8):
Again There is nothing Offical From AA on FB or anywhere else there is a lot speculation from FB posts that is it..Again Nothing Offical so until you can see the seat map on AA.com you should old off comments.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.
Quoting ual777uk (Reply 15):
Surely they will not go 10 across in Y??!! They should be consistant with what BA at least have onver the pond and lets not forget those two countries have a few larger people can I say politely. I am sure it will be 3-3-3 when details are realeased


I find it somewhat hard to believe AA would go 3-3-3 on 772s but 3-4-3 on the new 'flagship' 773s. I suppose we will see what happens, but for an airline that just brought back its 'more room in coach' program, stuffing 3-4-3 on the 777s seems a stretch.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon

With deliveries scheduled this year shouldn't orders for seats have been placed by now?
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:42 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 17):
I find it somewhat hard to believe AA would go 3-3-3 on 772s but 3-4-3 on the new 'flagship' 773s.

Why? KL has (unfortunatly) done exactly that...
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 2):
That's going to be one clean and mean shiny bird. I can't wait to see it flying around.

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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
There's nothing ANYWHERE that officially states any of these statements. We might see 3-4-3, but that's not even concrete. And where did you get that they'll have 4 lavs?
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Which was never supposed to be posted in the first place - and AA temporarily took the pictures down, but the damage had already been done.

While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on the Atlantic and similar AA/JL joint venture on the Pacific, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with BA and JL which are both 3-3-3 on 777s (excluding JL's high-density aircraft used on domestic routes).

Well, from what they had posted in FB, it was 3-4-3. I dint know they had taken down. But can assure that that one could clearly see 3-4-3.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 17):
I find it somewhat hard to believe AA would go 3-3-3 on 772s but 3-4-3 on the new 'flagship' 773s. I suppose we will see what happens, but for an airline that just brought back its 'more room in coach' program, stuffing 3-4-3 on the 777s seems a stretch.

AA is just introducing an premium economy section with extra leg room a la UA's Economy Plus or DL's Economy Comfort. It is not throughout coach as MRTC was and has no bearing on what the comfort (or lack thereof) of AA's economy class will be, other than making sure it is less comfortable.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:44 pm

Aside from the seat configuration talk, where will AA be deploying these birds?
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 23):

Initial routes are JFK-LHR and JFK-SAO
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:58 pm

DFW-GRU and DFW-LHR are supposed to be AA's first B773ER's routes.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 24):
Initial routes are JFK-LHR and JFK-SAO

No. DFW-GRU is the first route.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 18):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon

With deliveries scheduled this year shouldn't orders for seats have been placed by now?


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With deliveries set this year, yes the configuration has been established so well informed insiders know, however I believe he is implying only those involved in the configuration know. Outside AA management, Boeing and the seat manufacturer I do not think it has been officially published.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 8):
Again There is nothing Offical From AA on FB or anywhere else there is a lot speculation from FB posts that is it..Again Nothing Offical so until you can see the seat map on AA.com you should old off comments.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.
Quoting cmf (Reply 18):
With deliveries scheduled this year shouldn't orders for seats have been placed by now?

The seats have certainly been ordered and the configuration is set, otherwise the plane will not be delivered in November (or delivered without seats).

People can deny the rumors, but they are true. I doubt the cross section in the Main Cabin will ever be publicly confirmed by AA prior to delivery.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 26):

Correct. Was originally LHR but will now be GRU - sadly.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 28):
People can deny the rumors, but they are true.

And you know this how?
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 21):
Well, from what they had posted in FB, it was 3-4-3. I dint know they had taken down. But can assure that that one could clearly see 3-4-3.


If this is the photo your talking about then I don't see how this assumption has come about.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3472/42078310150493610516078.jpg[/URL]

Yes it shows at least 4 seats in the middle, but AA have always been a 2-5-2 airline from their DC10s-MD11s and 777s.

I cannot see how this photo shows the full extent of the layout. It doesnt. It speculates that there will be at least 4 seats in the middle maybe 5.

Again though this is an artists rendition for the seat. and the layout may be wrong from his own fault.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting totesen (Reply 13):
Agreed haha. flying AA Has been way worse than any other experience on any US carrier, and needless to say that us carriers are quite bad in their service

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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 28):
The seats have certainly been ordered and the configuration is set, otherwise the plane will not be delivered in November (or delivered without seats).

People can deny the rumors, but they are true. I doubt the cross section in the Main Cabin will ever be publicly confirmed by AA prior to delivery.

If you have proof, produce the goods! The pictures themselves do not prove anything... as they are of a mock up at the manufacturer.... could be 3-4-3, 2-5-2, or for all we know even 3-4-2.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
It will be 2-5-2, no question of it.

You have no more idea that it'll be 2-5-2 than those who claim it'll be 3-4-3.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
No, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with the 47 Boeing 777s they already have! Anyway it's not in question. 2-5-2 is what it'll be.

Which really means nothing, who's to say the existing 772s won't be reconfigured to match what the 77W is delivered with? There's also a precedent for this, the new tranche of 738s that were delivered beginning several years ago had a different configuration than the existing 738s. The existing 738s were then brought up to the new standard. That being said, I think it would be incredibly ignorant to assume the the configuration of the 77Ws WON'T be different, just for the sole purpose of matching the 772s.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 34):
If you have proof, produce the goods!

And risk his job? Yeah, no, you don't understand how these things work.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 35):
And risk his job? Yeah, no, you don't understand how these things work.

Youre telling a guy who spent over a decade at AA that he doesnt understand? Yeah right.  

This stuff isnt worth arguing over. The truth is that no one on here has any idea what it will be. Lets just wait for it to reveal itself. Saying you can tell from the picture is stupid when you cant see the whole cabin.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 34):
he pictures themselves do not prove anything... as they are of a mock up at the manufacturer.... could be 3-4-3, 2-5-2, or for all we know even 3-4-2.

However the aisle appears very narrow, exactly like a 10-abreast 777. AA wouldn't want even a mockup photo to make the cabin appear worse than it's going to if they're really planning on 9-abreast.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 31):

Dude, look at the second middle row from the front of the aircraft/picture. Now, look in between the 3rd and 4th seat from the right of the third middle row, and you'll see that the seat visible is off sync with the other 4 from the second row, thus implying that it's not part of the middle row (as a 5th seat), if a 5th seat was there, you would see a seat in between those two seats that is much better aligned with its row. That's a 4 seat center model, end of story. I don't know about the official layouts, but that's what the picture says.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:54 pm

The rear of the 777 is 2-4-2 keep that in mind
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:03 pm

FWIW, I'd prefer there to be at least one side in Economy with "2" seating. I usually travel with my significant other, and that's how I prefer to travel in Economy or any other class for that matter. We can always plan our travels in such a way as to avoid the "4" or "5" middle section!
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:15 pm

And from a marketing perspective, if AA was going with its standard 777 configuration, they would have said so by now. AA would have made a statement outlining the width of the seats, seat pitch, and overall Y seat layout.

The fact they have redone the above photo and been silent just proves that they are hiding the 3 x 4 x 3 configuration.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:25 pm

Bet cash that it will be 3-4-3. Although AA would never come out and say it, they are effectively saying, "if you want more room, upgrade or fly a different airline."

Economy is just that, folks who want to get from A to B as cheaply as possible. At least you'll have IFE and power ports for the toys you want to bring on board for your long flights.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting ATL (Reply 38):
Dude, look at the second middle row from the front of the aircraft/picture. Now, look in between the 3rd and 4th seat from the right of the third middle row, and you'll see that the seat visible is off sync with the other 4 from the second row, thus implying that it's not part of the middle row (as a 5th seat), if a 5th seat was there, you would see a seat in between those two seats that is much better aligned with its row.

I have no idea whether it will be 3-4-3 or not but from the picture I would say 2-5-2. If you look at the second row of seats at the very top left hand corner you can see the 5th remote control unit that would be for the 5th seat in that row.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 15):
Surely they will not go 10 across in Y??!! They should be consistant with what BA at least have onver the pond and lets not forget those two countries have a few larger people can I say politely. I am sure it will be 3-3-3 when details are realeased. I Hope!

"Product consistency" did not stop AF, KL, and soon AZ to go 3-4-3 on their 777s and DL to stick to 3-3-3 on theirs so far (although they do not seem to use their 777s across the Atlantic).

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
No, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with the 47 Boeing 777s they already have! Anyway it's not in question. 2-5-2 is what it'll be.

DL switched from 2-5-2 a long time ago, and UA is in the process of doing it (thankfully for 3-3-3 and not 3-4-3), so, if anything, it's the 2-5-2 on the 772 that will go, not the 77W that will have the 2-5-2.
Leaks on Facebook were calling for 3-4-3 anyway.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
However the aisle appears very narrow, exactly like a 10-abreast 777.

Very true. However, nothing can be said about the 4 vs 5 middle seats based on that sole picture.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:40 pm

usax they have not stated what the 319/321/787 will seat yet either.....again when they post you can say what it will be. Maybe they will go 10 across in Y and 9 across in Y+ but time will tell
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 46):

Right. But that seat is not aligned with the the other 4 of the second row properly. Make a mental line across the second row and you'll see that this "5th" seat is off. 2-4-2 / 3-4-3 I say.
 
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 48):
usax they have not stated what the 319/321/787 will seat yet either.....again when they post you can say what it will be. Maybe they will go 10 across in Y and 9 across in Y+ but time will tell

they also haven't produced images of these planes interiors and THEN completely redo them.

So why, oh why, would an airline take the photo (above) and re-do it to hide the 4th seat?

I'll bet ya $20 that AA is not ready to deal with the brunt of complaints over the 3 x 4 x 3 configuration, so they redid the picture to "hide" the 4th seat.

And everything I know (and people at AA) are all pointing to the 3 x 4 x 3 configuration, that will leave one open question - shouldn't they change their name? cause I don't know how many Americans will actually be able to fit in that tight seat!

If I wanted to fly in a seat like the CRJ, then I'd fly in a CRJ. But I book away from those nasty lil airplanes. ERJ/EMB 170 over CRJ/CR7/CR9 any day of the week.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 50):
And everything I know (and people at AA) are all pointing to the 3 x 4 x 3 configuration, that will leave one open question - shouldn't they change their name? cause I don't know how many Americans will actually be able to fit in that tight seat!

Get used to it. Fuel is getting more expensive and people aren't willing to pay more to fly. It's only a matter of time before 3x4x3 becomes the norm among all airlines, regardless of whether AA decides to go for such a configuration on the 77W.
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RE: American 777-300ER Updates?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:47 am

Look how skinny those armrests are.......I say 3-4-3.
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