777jaah
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AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:41 pm

AV/TA and AM signed a codeshare agreement. According to the press realease, in a first stage of the agreement, the codeshare will cover the Colombia-Mexico flights. Then on a second stage, it will cover TA-MX with all the central american-south american routes.

A bit surprising to see an OW partner having such agreements when C4 is boosting its operations in Colombia.

Here's the link:

http://www.avianca.com/NR/rdonlyres/...09/N23codigocompartidoAM060312.pdf

http://www.elespectador.com/economia...do-de-codigo-compartido-aeromexico

Cheers,

777jaah

[Edited 2012-03-06 08:45:56]
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:56 pm

Good move by AV/TA and AM. Now that AM is going to start MEX-SAL it should help them.

Quoting 777jaah (Thread starter):
A bit surprising to see an OW partner having such agreements when C4 is boosting its operations in Colombia.

When referring to OneWorld who are you talking about?   If its Aeromexico they're in SkyTeam.
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 1):
If its Aeromexico they're in SkyTeam

Well, my HUGE mistake......
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:21 pm

Strange move because AV_TA are about to join *A any month now
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kiwiandrew

RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting LH506 (Reply 3):
Strange move because AV_TA are about to join *A any month now

So? Star doesn't have a Mexican partner and there are other airlines which also have partnerships with airlines from other alliances in areas which their alliance doesn't serve ( look at QF/AF as an example)
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:03 pm

True, This is no indication that AM is going to jump allicances however it could hint something down the road. AM is also applying for IAD. This could fuel some speculation.

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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 5):
This could fuel some speculation.

And *A needs a partnet in Mexico, and who better than AM....

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 5):
Star doesn't have a Mexican partner and there are other airlines which also have partnerships with airlines from other alliances in areas which their alliance doesn't serve

At the end of the day, is just about business.
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:21 pm

I think people are overvaluing alliances anyway. In my eyes, an alliance is nothing more than a luxurious (and somewhat more stable) code share arrangement and not at all a working together of airlines. Airlines will only cooperate in alliances when it benefits their operations. In this case AV and AM saw an opportunity to make money, so why care about DL or LH? I bet they aren't connecting many passengers from Mexico to Colombia and vice versa anyway...
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 5):

No need to speculate in my mind. DL and AM just signed long term agreements so the two can coordinate more closely with each other and are building maintenance overhaul facilities together, plus DL is buying a small stake in AM. They are starting IAD because then need to serve the market. If looked at it that way every time UA starts a new route to MEX we could speculate that they are looking at joining Sky Team, and we all know that's not going to happen. Another way to look at it is maybe AV/TA feel like a third wheel because we all know what airline *A really wants in S. America and they are looking to bolt for Sky.

[Edited 2012-03-06 12:24:49]
 
kiwiandrew

RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:16 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 5):
True, This is no indication that AM is going to jump allicances however it could hint something down the road. AM is also applying for IAD. This could fuel some speculation.

I think any 'speculation' would be based on that well known Anet dysfunction which I refer to as 'premature extrapolation'.

This can be seen in the forums anytime that airline A and airline B announce any sort of relationship.

If airline A is a member of an alliance and airline B isn't then that means that Airline B 'must' be going to join A's alliance.

If airlines A and B are members of competing alliances then it 'must' mean that one of them is planning to jump ship.
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 5):
True, This is no indication that AM is going to jump allicances however it could hint something down the road. AM is also applying for IAD. This could fuel some speculation.

As others have said no need to speculate. If we are, then we can say the same thing about AM looking into OneWorld since they codeshare with JAL and LAN.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 8):
No need to speculate in my mind.

  

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
So? Star doesn't have a Mexican partner and there are other airlines which also have partnerships with airlines from other alliances in areas which their alliance doesn't serve ( look at QF/AF as an example)

  

I believe that is the case. And also AM giving their customers a wide range of destinations that they can't offer on their own.

I wonder if TA will codeshare sometime in the future with Y4 as another partner in Mexico since they own 25% of the airline.   
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:36 am

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 5):
True, This is no indication that AM is going to jump allicances however it could hint something down the road. AM is also applying for IAD. This could fuel some speculation.

LOL. When AM launched MEX-DEN and MEX-SFO some years ago, some voices here on A.net speculated that the choice of Star hubs as new destinations were a sign that AM was going to jump ship. That happened again when Aeroplan bought a minority stake in AM's Club Premier. Time has clearly proved those voices wrong.

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 7):
In this case AV and AM saw an opportunity to make money

I agree. Traffic between the two countries is growing rapidly. Having a local partner is a good thing for both of them and should in no manner affect their respective relationships with their future and current alliance, respectively.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 8):
DL and AM just signed long term agreements so the two can coordinate more closely with each other and are building maintenance overhaul facilities together, plus DL is buying a small stake in AM.

You hit the nail Deni. AM's permanence in SkyTeam is, I think, guaranteed. With DL as an investor and with a DL nominee as a member of the AM board of directors, one can be sure AM is not going anywhere.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 8):
Another way to look at it is maybe AV/TA feel like a third wheel because we all know what airline *A really wants in S. America and they are looking to bolt for Sky.

Well, not too sure about that. AM was the airline that invited AV/TA to SkyTeam on behalf of all of the SkyTeam carriers some time ago. The CEO of AM contacted AV/TA to start discussions. It is my understanding that AV's management accepted to start discussions with SkyTeam and those negotiations took place simultaneously with the negotiations with Star Alliance. In the end, AV decided Star offered a much better proposition. I am not sure but I think at that time JJ and LA had already made an announcement.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 10):
If we are, then we can say the same thing about AM looking into OneWorld since they codeshare with JAL and LAN.

AM used to codeshare with JL's MEX-YVR segment only. Since JL terminated its YVR-MEX service, there are no more codeshares between AM and JL.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 10):
I wonder if TA will codeshare sometime in the future with Y4 as another partner in Mexico since they own 25% of the airline.

Well, who knows. The stake that the Krietes own in Y4 was not transferred to the AV-TA umbrella company. Therefore TA does not own any equity interest in Y4... it is actually one of the shareholders of AV-TA who owns an interest in Y4.
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:41 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
I am not sure but I think at that time AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ and LA had already made an announcement.

LA and AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ announced their merger well before AV/TA were announced as future *A members. I recall a statement from AM management saying they'd look to cooperate with AV and TA despite their alliance choice and that's what we are seeing right now.
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting ota1 (Reply 12):
LA and AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ announced their merger well before AV/TA were announced as future *A members.

Well, there you go. Another argument why this speculation about AM jumping to Star or AV-TA having second thoughts about Star and looking at SkyTeam is nonsensical.
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:17 am

Press release:

Quote:

Avianca, Taca Sign Agreement to Implement Codeshare Flight With Aeromexico

March 7, 2012By: Joe Pike

Avianca and Taca, companies controlled by AviancaTaca Holding SA, announced Tuesday the signing of a commercial agreement with Aeroméxico. With this agreement, the companies start a new stage in their relationship, allowing them to offer passengers a greater choice of services, more flight frequencies and a greater number of travel options in the region.

The representatives of the airlines will now work on a shared timetable to establish the mechanisms for the development of a codeshare agreement that will be implemented in stages. Both companies will also explore options to further strengthen their alliance with cooperation between their frequent flyer programs.

The codeshare operation between Avianca and Aeroméxico is scheduled to begin during the first half of 2012, benefiting the Colombia-Mexico markets. The codeshare agreement between Taca and Aeroméxico will be rolled out during the second half of the year and will include routes in the Central/South America-Mexico markets.

The implementation of the agreement is subject to the approval of aviation authorities.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/me...th-aeromexico-34000



The AV/TA-AM partnership would help both sides to strengthen operations. MEX and BOG will see up to 6 dailies and AM is planning to apply for CUN-BOG.

AV operates 3 dailies with good loads to MEX and T0 increased market share in the LIM-MEX route.

We'll see interesting moves in the coming months.
 
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RE: AV/TA Sign Codeshare Agreement With Am

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:18 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
I think any 'speculation' would be based on that well known Anet dysfunction which I refer to as 'premature extrapolation'.

This can be seen in the forums anytime that airline A and airline B announce any sort of relationship.

If airline A is a member of an alliance and airline B isn't then that means that Airline B 'must' be going to join A's alliance.

If airlines A and B are members of competing alliances then it 'must' mean that one of them is planning to jump ship.


I totally agreed with.
Airlines usually sustain code-share agreements without regard to the worldwide alliance with which they're involved.




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Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 10):
I wonder if TA will codeshare sometime in the future with Y4 as another partner in Mexico since they own 25% of the airline.


Volaris seems rather to be more interested to sustain code-share agreements with Southwest.

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