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Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:14 am

Seems as though Silver Airways might be developing some additional services, as they are adding BIL-HLN in a non EAS setting.

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFrontpage%7Cp

[Edited 2012-03-06 20:16:53]
 
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:51 am

Silver was discussing YNG to CLE service in Northeast Ohio as well according to several articles from January. No word on that though, but it was discussed.
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:49 pm

That'll be interesting to see how that works out. Back in the day, GQ used to fly to some non-EAS locations in MT. I don't recall all of them, but I believe GTF, BZN, GPI, MSO, and maybe HLN. Most of them were eventually cut as the focused only on the EAS routes until they went under.
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:06 am

35 years ago NWA operated 727's between BIL and HLN. Times have changed.
 
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:54 pm

Quoting mcg (Reply 3):
35 years ago NWA operated 727's between BIL and HLN. Times have changed.

I think even as recently as just five or so years ago they had a flight (DC9 or A319 maybe?) that stopped at both HLN and BIL before going back to MSP.
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 1):

Them being the feeder on YNG-CLE makes complete sense as they are operating the 1900's there already. Maybe they will restart CAK-CLE for me.
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting mcg (Reply 3):
35 years ago NWA operated 727's between BIL and HLN. Times have changed.
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 4):
I think even as recently as just five or so years ago they had a flight (DC9 or A319 maybe?) that stopped at both HLN and BIL before going back to MSP.

Yep, less than a decade ago, there was a mid-afternoon DC-9 that did MSP-BIL-HLN-BIL-MSP. They consistently picked up passengers in BIL for the leg to HLN. GQ also flew the route at that time.

Great to hear this route coming back, now on Silver Airways. I hope it does well for them and they consider adding other non-EAS routes like BIL-MSO and BIL-FCA.
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:01 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 5):
Quoting YNGguins (Reply 1):

Them being the feeder on YNG-CLE makes complete sense as they are operating the 1900's there already. Maybe they will restart CAK-CLE for me.

The problem with the short hops with all connecting passengers and a pro-rate all risk flying is the pro-rate they will get from UA. This makes it tricky to show how the route can make a profit especially since there is no O/D traffic with these cities. Without any kind of subsidy (TOL was asked for a very large one), none of these will really work. Airlines have gotten away from the short haul all domestic feed cities lately. I would say 45 min to 1 hour flights with some O/D have a better chance of surviving the new system. For all three cities mentioned above, I would think IAD would be a much better place to do pro-rate at risk flying.
 
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 7):

I know. But a man can wish!

UAX once did operate CAK-IAD and to this day am surprised it's never return. UA has no good connection to east coast passenger via ORD. UA obviously doesn't see potential in a few Saab's daily.
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RE: Silver Airways (gulfstream) To Do BIL - HLN

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 7):
The problem with the short hops with all connecting passengers and a pro-rate all risk flying is the pro-rate they will get from UA. This makes it tricky to show how the route can make a profit especially since there is no O/D traffic with these cities. Without any kind of subsidy (TOL was asked for a very large one), none of these will really work. Airlines have gotten away from the short haul all domestic feed cities lately. I would say 45 min to 1 hour flights with some O/D have a better chance of surviving the new system. For all three cities mentioned above, I would think IAD would be a much better place to do pro-rate at risk flying.

I don't disagree Ryan. It sounds as though this will be that first step for Youngstown to get back to getting daily service. The loads and yields with Allegiant have improved and the frequency on some routes have increased (yes I know that is leisure, but it is good to see yields improving).

The new director has made it a mission to get daily service and it seems as though it is close. I believe his post on the YNGAir Partners Facebook page was naturally, this is not our #1 choice, but this is a step in the door for us and if it succeeds, it should lead to bigger and better things, such as IAD. The shale boom in Youngstown, where there is virtually no drilling yet, has already created 1,400 new jobs as was reported in the Vindicator today. Furthermore, Youngstown led the entire nation in terms of exports from 2009-2010. A strong manufacturing economy, coupled with the growth in small-tech companies in our downtown and the shale boom, should help sustain such a short route like this and hopefully lead to service to DC!

IAD makes the most sense for YNG. Not an extremely long distance, could be operated with a Saab, would have some O&D and would be great for east coast connections. Not sure what United's future with Colgan is though with their financial problems.
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