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Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:28 am

Qatar Airways to operate B787 on Gulf routes followed by Doha- London Heathrow.
QR Will also display its new B787 at Farnborough show.

Anyone with more information on it's new product?

Info takes from QR twitter page.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:54 am

Configuration is 22J and 240Y

They are getting 5 B787s this year and looks like 1 will be dedicated for a daily LHR rotation. Should be interesting to see which EU routes in particular will be shifted from A332 to B787.

Something out of the box I may add...operating a B787 on a new long haul route such as BOS-DOH might do ok for QR as B6 have a good presence there as do UA. There is medium sized demand from BOS to GCC, Indian Subcontinent and Asia (BKK/SIN/CGK/CAN/KUL) that QR can definitely take advantage of with a 5 weekly frequency initially.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Anyone with more information on it's new product?

New Product looks good to me, reverse herringbone seems very much in ATM. Reminds me of the UA F seat, whilst I haven't sat in it, looks much nicer then the EK J seat on any of their fleet 777 or A380. Looking forward to seeing the finer details! One thing about QR is that they never seem to go cheap on the hardproduct and attention to detail is never lacking so should be impressive!
Will they retrofit it to the rest of the fleet? Do they have enough slack to take them out of service for the refit?

Courtesy of the QR Facebook page.

Seems a small aircraft to be sending to LHR. Is the 5 daily frequency really needed? Must be time to start up-gauging surely?

And what is the plans with F is it going or staying only for LHR? If it does stay I can't wait to see the seats!!

[Edited 2012-03-07 05:25:43]

[Edited 2012-03-07 05:27:10]
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):

I agree - BOS certainly can support 787 from QR. Note that BOS (and New England region) has a lot of North African immigrants as well in addition to asian population. It is only a matter of time we see at least a couple of new 787 routes from BOS past the JAL launch (whenever it really begins).
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:42 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
And what is the plans with F is it going or staying only for LHR? If it does stay I can't wait to see the seats!!

F class is staying but only for the A380s which QR has on order. It's likely that LHR will be the first route to see QR's A380.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Configuration is 22J and 240Y

Interesting! Then I assume Y will be 9 abreast?

ET will have a configuration of 24C+246Y, with 9 abreast in Y.

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:17 pm

More photos and details from the QR press release and website ( I cut a few pieces out as they were not relevant)

Business And Economy Class Seats Make Debut At World’s Biggest Travel Show
Berlin Mayor Joins Airline CEO For Launch On Carrier’s New Exhibition Stand
07 Mar 2012

A striking feature of every seat throughout the aircraft will be the award-winning touch screen Android technology control units that will debut on Qatar Airways’ 787s. Passengers will be able to navigate through a truly interactive system, offering more than 1,000 movie, TV programmes, music and gaming entertainment options in a sophisticated and user friendly way, just like the latest smart phones.
The touch-screen control unit has a unique dual screen interface allowing passengers to play games on their handheld device while enjoying a movie on their personal screen.

Passengers can be fully connected through WIFI and GSM telephony, sending both text and MMS messages. Voice calls, although possible, will be disabled to minimise passenger disruption.
With a 1–2–1 configuration in Business Class, the layout features two less seats than competitors on conventional wide body aircraft, more typical of a First Class cabin where each passenger is assured of direct aisle access.

The seat offers considerable personal space – almost double than existing business cabins – allowing passengers to sit back and relax in a 22-inch wide armchair that converts at a touch of a button into different cradle positions before reaching an extremely generous 80-inch long, 30-inch wide flat bed offering exceptional legroom.
Armrests can be fully adjusted to different heights to complement different body positions while dining, reading, working or resting. Passengers will also be able to dine and work comfortably with an elegant wood trimmed large sliding table. When dining begins, passengers can easily rest their laptops on the side table. There is ample storage space such as a show drawer and side compartment for personal belongings. The seats, produced by B/E Aerospace, also feature generous 17-inch personal touch screen TV monitors.

In Economy Class, configured 3–3–3, the Recaro-produced seats embody the very latest in design technology and materials assuring all passengers have a high degree comfort and personal space. Featuring one less seat per row than competitors on other wide body aircraft, the Economy seats promise to offer a totally different travel experience.

With 7 inches of recline, both the seat cushion and backrest adjust to ‘cradle’ the passenger into greater comfort. The slim-line seat design set at a pitch of 32 inches, together with a 16.9-inch width, offers more personal space than ever before. The adjustable hammock-style headrest allows passengers to comfortably support their head while resting.
Each Economy Class seat is fitted with 10.6-inch seat back TV monitors offering passengers optimum viewing of a wide array of in-flight entertainment options.

Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker said: “As we prepare to take delivery of our first Boeing 787 just months away, we are delighted to announce today a whole new passenger travel experience with the unveiling of our brand new seats that will be onboard the world’s newest aircraft. Space, comfort and ensuring our passengers have the best onboard entertainment options are key elements of our new Boeing 787s, promising to set new benchmarks in air travel. Qatar Airways has taken a lot of time and effort in ensuring we are true leaders in the field rather than followers, meticulously working with manufacturers on specific seat design and features. The 787 aircraft architecture is such that a lot of attention has been placed by Boeing on spacious cabins, which we are maximising to ensure our passengers get what they pay for – value for money and a great travel experience,” added Al Baker, speaking at ITB Berlin, an event that attracts tens of thousands of travel industry professionals from around the world.
Qatar Airways is the first Middle East customer of the Boeing 787, with 60 aircraft on order, including options. The Doha-based airline is preparing to take delivery of five 787s during 2012, with the first set to arrive in Qatar this summer.
The carrier will initially operate the aircraft on intra-Gulf routes to provide flight crew with training hours before Qatar Airways’ 787 is scheduled to appear on static display at the Farnborough Air Show in July and then enter its first long-haul commercial service on the Doha – London Heathrow route.

The 787 is quieter than other aircraft allowing passengers to work, sleep or relax in peace. With the largest windows in the industry and first-of-its-kind electronic touch pad controls to adjust the amount of light entering the cabin, passengers are able to look outside without glare, replacing conventional blinds. Business Class passengers will exclusively be able to control the large window shades through their personal touch screen control units.








Well I for one look forward to trying the new seats and IFE out. I doubt they will refit the 777s soon, but I hope all future ones are delivered with these features.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 6):
Featuring one less seat per row than competitors on other wide body aircraft,

I assume he means, other wide body aircraft that are wider??

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 6):
together with a 16.9-inch width

Does he think this is good? Or does he only travel in business!!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:53 pm

Looks absolutely great!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
Seems a small aircraft to be sending to LHR

Agree. One assumes this is a blue ribband position rather than the right aircraft for this route. The Airbuses are now very tired up front now though so it will provide a welcome upgrade

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
reverse herringbone seems very much in ATM

As far as I am concerned its the Emperors New Clothes. Too clever by half. Give me a forward or fully reversed facing seat any day of the week.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:58 pm

Thought MAN was one of the routes being touted as seeing Qatar B787's?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting blr380 (Reply 3):
BOS (and New England region) has a lot of North African

That would require a lot of backtracking and additional time and miles to reach via DOH!

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
Is the 5 daily frequency really needed? Must be time to start up-gauging surely?

Note that its fifth-daily service hasn't yet begun, and it's operating four-daily. They have such frequency to feed their growing banks (by contrast, EK has 8 daily flights to LHR and LGW combined). As an example, its flights today were operated by the 77W, 346 (x2), and 332.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting markcaine (Reply 10):
Thought MAN was one of the routes being touted as seeing Qatar B787's?

It will probably fly to MAN after starting LHR, Im sure someone can confirm
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:29 pm

Very disappointed with 16.9" width and 3-3-3 in economy. Their 777s are a full 2 inches wider!!!
Also these business seats seem to cover the window!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):

Configuration is 22J and 240Y



Wow, that's going to be a squeeze
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:13 pm

Is that the US/CX J seat?
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:25 pm

I much prefer the ANA Y seat, the fact that the person in front cannot recline into you is a winner IMO.

Also prefer their 2-4-2 layout over the QR 3-3-3 layout.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:49 pm

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 13):
Very disappointed with 16.9" width and 3-3-3 in economy. Their 777s are a full 2 inches wider!!!

I ditto that...

Boeing brag about the new lighter, airy cabins and how the passenger experience will be improved... This is very much at the airlines mercy.

The cabin is only 8 inches wider than the A330 (fuselage 17.4ft), and by fitting in an extra seat, this is going to make for very narrow aisles. Unfortunately it seems most airlines are going to go this option, while all the Boeing promo video's are showing economy cabins with a 2-4-2 config.

Im wondering if it is only a matter of time, before QR's 777 are altered to 10 abreast? Both Emirates and Etihad have done this.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:15 pm

From the QR press release:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 6):
The slim-line seat design set at a pitch of 32 inches, together with a 16.9-inch width, offers more personal space than ever before.

Ummm...how can they offer more personal space when their 777s are 2 inches wider and offer up to 34 inches of pitch! Whoever wrote this press release must have never sat in any of these seats.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:31 pm

Looks very nice might have to give Qatar a try soon, The middle East Airlines do like there big TV screens!

MAN will come online 2013 ish, after they have done the LHR route first,

[Edited 2012-03-07 15:38:02]
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:35 pm

The new business class seats look amazing and league ahead of Emirates. I guess the reverse herringbone seats receive the best reviews from J passengers, which will be the future of most next generation business class products, and I like the fact that every seat has direct aisle access.

But the new economy class is disappointing and after flying 787 myself in Y, I can't imagine how the 9 abreast seating is great for passengers and I sincerely hope no one will seriously considered a ten abreast seating. Folks tend to forget the compromise with the 3-4-3 abreast seating is the extra two inches of legroom on EK 777s. I don't want to misquote myself, but can anyone verify that 787 is not as wide as 777? Visually I don't think so, but I am sure some of you have the answers here...

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
Something out of the box I may add...operating a B787 on a new long haul route such as BOS-DOH might do ok for QR as B6 have a good presence there as do UA. There is medium sized demand from BOS to GCC, Indian Subcontinent and Asia (BKK/SIN/CGK/CAN/KUL) that QR can definitely take advantage of with a 5 weekly frequency initially.

Certainly. A number of people here think DXB would work for the same reason, one or the other is bound to happen sooner or later.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:07 am

More pics, via aviationweek.



I like it. Although I wish the shells were the same shade of gray as their 777s' business cabin.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:11 am

The business class seats look rather cramped and the 16.9 inch seat width has to be a joke. That would be a seating arrangement to absolutely avoid...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:53 am

Quoting AAExecplat (Reply 23):

I thought the 787 could have a 17.5" seat at 9 abreast and QR goes for 16.9"? Never expected anything but 2-4-2 from them. Guess they are becoming just like Emirates and Etihad.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 24):
Guess they are becoming just like Emirates and Etihad.

At 16.9" they're narrower than both EK and EY with their 10-abrest 777s.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:48 am

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 18):

Ummm...how can they offer more personal space when their 777s are 2 inches wider and offer up to 34 inches of pitch! Whoever wrote this press release must have never sat in any of these seats.

True.

Quoting Carfield (Reply 20):
I don't want to misquote myself, but can anyone verify that 787 is not as wide as 777

787 is narrower than a 777.

Quoting ghifty (Reply 22):


I like it. Although I wish the shells were the same shade of gray as their 777s' business cabin.

I like the gray as well.

Quoting AAExecplat (Reply 23):
The business class seats look rather cramped and the 16.9 inch seat width has to be a joke. That would be a seating arrangement to absolutely avoid...

I honestly think its a mistype! I tweeted to Qatar Airways to verify and they still did not reply.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):

At 16.9" they're narrower than both EK and EY with their 10-abrest 777s.

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:58 am

Any chance we will see it in BER   (or even TXL)
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:05 pm

...and the dreaded 9-abreast 787 configuration begins... I expect many more airlines to follow, just like 10-abreast 777's are becoming the new standard - except that 16.9" is even slightly less than on 10-abreast 777s (17").   
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:32 pm

sorry configuration is 22J and 220Y so 242 seats in total on board
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:59 pm

22J 232 Y I believe for a cramped total of 254.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:48 pm

yes you are right...I just found out too officially and from this article...so basically QR B788s can operate on routes currently flown with the B77L if the J class demand does not exceed an average of 25 pax per flight.

http://www.arabiansupplychain.com/ar...-airways-unveils-boeing-787-seats/
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:57 pm

In the other thread, I had predicted this. There is no economic rationale for going with 8 abreast for an airline. Anybody that cares about Y Pax comfort should probably be cheering on the A350 instead.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:05 pm

Kinda reminds me of NZ's Premium Economy cabin....
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:59 am

Anyone have a view as to which of QR's 5 daily LHR flights will move to the 787?

My guess would be that it would replace a 777 on the route making it a clean swap for a 2 class aircraft...maybe the QR 11/12? That way passengers could have day light flights both ways on the 787.
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:45 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 34):
Anyone have a view as to which of QR's 5 daily LHR flights will move to the 787?

They currently have 4 - so this is an extra service.

I'd like to see DOH-BOS on 787 though - I'd use it if the connections in DOH were good   Trying to get to BOS from SE Asia is a real pain at the moment...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes

Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting rogercamel (Reply 35):
They currently have 4 - so this is an extra service.

There is a 5th starting this month
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