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Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:41 am

I didn't see this posted up yet. Forgive me if it has been already.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arrested-painting-fingernails.html
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:47 am

Although it's silly she got arrested for it that is what happens when you become disorderly while in the air. Perfect example of how they don't tolerate that at all these days. Though I do wonder if we are getting the full story.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:08 am

Again, with often with these stories, it is not the original issue that results in arrest. It is the subsequent abuse of and failure to obey flight crew.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:10 am

Acetone is probably one of those materials involved in the case which led to a total liquid ban. I can easily see why FA could take it very seriously.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:11 am

Seems exacerbated by cops trying to press any sort of charge. They should've interviewed her and let her go.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting flyiguy (Thread starter):
Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight 

She wasn't arrested for painting her nails, she was arrested for disobeying flight crew.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4):
Seems exacerbated by cops trying to press any sort of charge. They should've interviewed her and let her go.

The article says they let her go without pressing charges.

Quoting kalvado (Reply 3):
Acetone is probably one of those materials involved in the case which led to a total liquid ban.

   When she is using it (it is flammable by the way) it smells bad so the FA asks her to stop, fine. But then she gets her acetone again and sneaks it into the lav to fiddle with it, that's suspicious and definitely warrants a chat with authorities.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:26 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
She wasn't arrested for painting her nails, she was arrested for disobeying flight crew.

Passengers are not required to comply with anything a F/A says. Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.She wasn't smoking and the F/A didn't make any comments regarding seat belt use. Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:29 am

Nail polish, and remover are considered a hazardous material, while its allowed to be brought on board, its not allowed to be used. Not to mention very selfish and tacky.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:34 am

This article gives a bit more information.

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Daniels went into the bathroom to finish and a second angry flight attendant was waiting for her.

“She said, ‘Weren’t you just told not to paint your nails?’ and I said, ‘Actually, I wasn’t. I was just told it was offending people around me so I did the right thing and went to an enclosed area,’” Daniels explained.

The passenger wasn't arrested for painting her nails and she wasn't arrested for disobeying the flight attendant. She was arrested for using profane abusive language.

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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:35 am

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

Uh, yes there is. The F.A.A. prohibits the use of flammable materials being used on aircraft inflight. This is why airlines do not allow transport of flammable materials (such as fireworks and explosives) on any aircraft. Even the U.S. Postal Service has the same rules in regards to fireworks.

http://www.airsafe.com/danger.htm
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:18 am

Ah what to believe?

One linked article says

Quote:
The charges were dropped by the DA

while the other reports

Quote:
The charge was later dismissed by a judge

I particularly like the bit where it says

Quote:
‘They wouldn’t let her talk’, he added. ‘They said to her “don’t talk”.’

Sounds like she is a regular motor-mouth and loud.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:42 am

Was she administering a mani or a pedi?    If she has kankles, throw the booki at her; if she's a looker give have her e-mail me. Sorry for the humor. Nail polish has hazmat properties and on board an airliner could pose safety issues.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:44 am

Southwest AGAIN?

Do they have the nastiest passengers or the nastiest employees? Or do those just go along each other?
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:56 am

We had this happen once on a flight from DSM to DTW. We called the FA to see if someone was painting nails because the smell was getting strong in the cockpit. FA went and found the lady and asked her to stop. She said no, not until she was finished. Captain told her to stop and she threatened discrimination. Captain threatened a diversion and arrest for her. She happily put the polish away. You just need to express it in a way they understand.

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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 12):
Southwest AGAIN?

Do they have the nastiest passengers or the nastiest employees? Or do those just go along each other?

Well when you fly more passengers domestically than any other carrier it's bound to happen sooner or later...
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):

Passengers are not required to comply with anything a F/A says. Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.She wasn't smoking and the F/A didn't make any comments regarding seat belt use. Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

I don't recall any airline's safety announcements saying that you cannot strip nude, urinate in the aisle, or write profanity on the cabin walls using a permanent marker, either.... however if a flight crew member tells you to stop any of those actions, they are perfectly in their right to do to.

What do you want, the pre-flight safety demo to include all of the things you cannot/should not do onboard?

The smell of nail polish can cause some people to get sick and the fumes from nail polish are highly flammable. If a crew member tells you to stop using it - you stop using it.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:14 am

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

You used to be very FA friendly and FA supportive and as of late you seem happy to throw FA's under the bus. Something happen to put them on your bad-side?

Just because the WN Public Announcement doesn't state XYZ explicitly is prohibited etc, doesn't mean it isn't. You know that....
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:35 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16):
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

You used to be very FA friendly and FA supportive and as of late you seem happy to throw FA's under the bus. Something happen to put them on your bad-side?

Just because the WN Public Announcement doesn't state XYZ explicitly is prohibited etc, doesn't mean it isn't. You know that....

I'm just wondering if he's wanting or is in law school and plans on suing very airline out there in the interests of consumer "advocacy" or something. But he seems to have it in for airlines and especially FAs.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:41 am

It's just plain bad manners. Do these "personal chores" at home, or in your hotel room. I don't want to see anyone applying anything onboard an airplane, including face and hand creams, nail polish. I certainly don't want to see anyone cutting or filing their fingernails either. Flight attendants used to do this all the time, sitting in the crew seats. Very inappropriate.
This "laid back" attitude, which I hate to say started in North America, has just got out of hand. Including dressing like absolute slobs. To me, it really is a total lack of self respect which, in turn, means lack of respect for anyone else.
It is just as bad in Canada as in the US. Vancouver is one of the worst places I have seen. People dress, and act, like total slobs. Nails trimmed in public, including on buses, makeup and nail polish applied in public, and the list goes on.
I digress. Anybody "grooming" themselves in public SHOULD be arrested!
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:48 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16):
You used to be very FA friendly and FA supportive and as of late you seem happy to throw FA's under the bus. Something happen to put them on your bad-side?

  

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16):
Just because the WN Public Announcement doesn't state XYZ explicitly is prohibited etc, doesn't mean it isn't. You know that....

Exactly what I said! I don't recall a public announcement that says you cannot spit on other passengers or have sex in your row of seats.... but some things are just common sense even if they are not included in an announcement.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.

I don't know SWA but for sure DL, B6 and NK say "...posted placards and crew members instructions." so they need to change that if it's true.

And yes you have to comply with FA instructions theres a reason for it, just like when driving you need to follow the law, don't like it? Don't fly...
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:47 am

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 21):

And yes you have to comply with FA instructions theres a reason for it, just like when driving you need to follow the law, don't like it? Don't fly...

Exactly.... if the FAs instructions are "I want you to jump up and down on one leg with your finger on your nose and say the Pledge of Allegiance while I throw peanuts at you," of course that is ridiculous and no one would expect anyone to follow those orders.

When a FA tells you: "You can't use nail polish because it is not only highly flammable but it also can make others sick," That is a totally different situation.

Whether it is an FAR or not, there is still a reasonable explanation behind the request. 1. It's flammable. 2. Others can get sick from the smell.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:10 am

OK, she's blonde which explains it already. Guess the FAs are blonde as well.
Of course, nail polish or remover are flammable liquids, the flash point is somewhere above 36°C but it does not self ignite, not even when the blonde is hot. The smell annoys passengers sitting nearby but there is no other potential risk, that risk exists only when shipped in commercial quantities. One can argue that her decision to continue the work of beautification in the secluded area of the toilet was a wise one. One can argue for the same reason about the FAs decision to raise an issue as well.

IMHO this whole case is a non-issue and needless work for police authorities and judicial system. What's the point of locking someone away in a cell for 10 hours?
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:09 am

There's something I don't get. The charge of "abusive, profane language" must be related to her careful selection of (four-letter) words while on the ground, because local police doesn't have jurisdiction in the air. If she was so abusive towards the crew, why isn't she pursued under part 91's ban on interference with crew? Could the nastiness not have been one-sided as she claims?

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 23):
What's the point of locking someone away in a cell for 10 hours?

And what do you propose they do? Let them go while they decide whether the charges are justified and they present a flight risk?
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:32 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
And what do you propose they do? Let them go while they decide whether the charges are justified and they present a flight risk?

well, she did not present a flight risk and I explained that. I know things are done differently in your neck of the woods, but I gladly tell you what happens here, police takes her name and adress, writes a shirt report which is sent to the state attorney and the lady is free to go. The state attorney usually does not open a case, if she was abusive to police the SA might offer to close the case against a penalty. in rare cases this goes to a judge.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:11 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):

http://www.airsafe.com/danger.htm

Your own link specifically excludes "personal care items, toiletries, or medically related items" from the prohibition of flammables on an airplane.

But as said before, some common sense (i.e., not starting to bitch at the F/A) probably would have avoided 10 hours in jail...
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:14 am

Quoting PI767 (Reply 15):
I don't recall any airline's safety announcements saying that you cannot strip nude, urinate in the aisle, or write profanity on the cabin walls using a permanent marker, either...

Those are all actual crimes on the ground or in the air. Painting your nails in a confined public place is just inconsiderate, not a crime. As already stated, she was arrested for swearing. I'm sure if she didn't, the police wouldn't have been able to (legally) do anything. Not that it would have stopped them, I'm sure.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:40 pm

Risk to others....the fumes can easily cause an asthma attack.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Passengers are not required to comply with anything a F/A says. Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.

I've noticed this is what Southwest says, but it's not true everywhere. I've seen a Horizon Air F/A aggressively point out to more than one passenger the passage in the inflight magazine about complying with all instructions, and claim otherwise is interfering with the crew. This F/A incorrectly accused one passenger of using their cell phone when it was supposed to be turned off and another of interfering simply because they asked a question. No, it wasn't me in either case. But I've wondered...what if they insist you comply with something illegal or absolutely ridiculous? I know there will be a lot of comments that that would never happen. Really? Sure it could. Happens all the time with people in various positions of authority. It's a slippery slope and there are bad apples everywhere.

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 20):
And yes you have to comply with FA instructions theres a reason for it, just like when driving you need to follow the law, don't like it? Don't fly...

I'm really tired of hearing that answer. That doesn't prevent someone from overstepping their bounds, from letting their opinion and position of power individually dictate what is right and wrong. By the same logic, don't like high taxes? Move to another country. No, no, don't complain or do anything about it. If you don't like it, don't participate in this society. Don't like getting mugged? Just move cities. It's easy to say, well, that's ridiculous or that would never happen. No, not necessarily true.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:50 pm

Nail polish is forbidden on AA. Period. End of story.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:59 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 28):
I've seen a Horizon Air F/A aggressively point out to more than one passenger the passage in the inflight magazine about complying with all instructions, and claim otherwise is interfering with the crew

All I have to do as a fare paying passenger is to sit in my seat, fasten my seatbelts, watch the emergency drill and that's it. Unless there's an emergency I can sleep, read or just do nothing, I most certainly don't have to read their inflight magazine. I don't have to accept food or drinks. As an adult man I do not blindly follow any instructions anyway and if an instruction does not make sense I challenge it. Or just keep on sleeping. What I've learned from this forum is, that on a US airliner, best is to shut up and get the hell out of the aircraft when it 's landed or, even better don't fly US carriers in first place.

Back to the topic, doing the nails in company of other people is bad manners, so is cursing. But it is normal that people cannot behave themselves. Blowing up such a minor incident is bad manners as well.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 28):
I've seen a Horizon Air F/A aggressively point out to more than one passenger the passage in the inflight magazine about complying with all instructions, and claim otherwise is interfering with the crew.

Writing something in your magazine doesn't make it law. The police aren't going to care if you violate the conditions of contract with the carrier. That's a civil matter, not a criminal matter. Also, something written in a magazine is far from legally binging unless you specifically agree to it in writing. Even then, it's still a civil matter if you break that agreement. Flight Attendants think that their own preferences are law and that they have the police to back them up if a passenger disagrees and sadly that seems to be case way more than it should. Unless you break a law or endanger the flight, the FAs have no right to call in the police and the police have no right to get involved. If this woman hadn't have sworn in a public place, I doubt the police would have gotten involved. I'm saddened they did just because this happened on an aircraft. Next you're in the streets of any city, call the police and tell them someone swore at you. See how far you get then.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 31):
Writing something in your magazine doesn't make it law.

No, but I'm sure they are just referencing the actual Federal Air Regulations code, which is law, and is a criminal matter.

14 CFR Part 125.327 outlines the briefing required to passengers. In paragraph (2) it very specifically says,

Quote:
This briefing shall include a statement that the Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with lighted passenger information signs and crewmember instructions concerning the use of safety belts.

Link to entire section:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...t&node=14:3.0.1.1.8.10.3.9&idno=14

However, the very next section, 14 CFR Part 125.328, says,

Quote:
No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated under this part.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...&node=14:3.0.1.1.8.10.3.10&idno=14

Clearly, the women is riding the fence on being in violation of Part 125.328.

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 26):
Painting your nails in a confined public place is just inconsiderate, not a crime. As already stated, she was arrested for swearing. I'm sure if she didn't, the police wouldn't have been able to (legally) do anything. Not that it would have stopped them, I'm sure.

See explanation above.

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 20):
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.

I don't know SWA but for sure DL, B6 and NK say "...posted placards and crew members instructions." so they need to change that if it's true.

Again, see above explanation.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 28):
That doesn't prevent someone from overstepping their bounds, from letting their opinion and position of power individually dictate what is right and wrong.

You're right, but how often do you actually see that happen? Per the law (see above), their authority is limited to interfering with crew member duties. It's pretty clear.

Quoting PI767 (Reply 19):
but some things are just common sense even if they are not included in an announcement.

Yeah, and when was the last time you saw anyone with a lick of "common sense" suing in courts in the last twenty years? Sorry, common sense is a dinosaur in the U.S. The law is all that matters anymore. It's very sad, but that's what our society is today.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:13 pm

As far as I can see she did 2 things wrong!

1. Failure to comply with crew members instructions when she refused to put away the nail polish, and

2. Even more seriously, she took flammable liquid into the lav, a potential threat to the aircraft!

The FAs acted handled this correctly!
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:31 pm

This makes me mad. Why is it that 'home bred' Americans think they are exempt from air safety rules that all others obey.
I've seen women have scissors, nail files, nail clippers and knives taken away from that at security check-points only to get 'mad' because they were singled out. Rules are rules. No one is above them.
This woman has this very same attitude. She's ignorant and self-centered.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting tonyban (Reply 34):
Why is it that 'home bred' Americans think they are exempt from air safety rules that all others obey.

Kind of like the Alec Baldwin cell phone incident.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 25):
Your own link specifically excludes "personal care items, toiletries, or medically related items" from the prohibition of flammables on an airplane.



I would argue the fact of nail polish being a personal care item... Its a cosmetic item, and I am sure she would not go into some sort of medical emergency by not having it with her. I would limit the personal care items to things such as hand wipes, the small bottles of hand sanitizer, ect.

Quoting AY104 (Reply 18):
It's just plain bad manners. Do these "personal chores" at home, or in your hotel room.



Agreed! Just because they were too lazy to do it the night before, or get up early and take care of this, doesn't mean the rest of us courteous travelers have put up with inconsiderate individuals like that. We have enough of them to deal with on a daily basis in wide open spaces, much less a confined space...
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 36):

I would argue the fact of nail polish being a personal care item... Its a cosmetic item, and I am sure she would not go into some sort of medical emergency by not having it with her. I would limit the personal care items to things such as hand wipes, the small bottles of hand sanitizer, ect.

wrong, in that case they would stow these items in their checked luggage and that is much more dangerous.

Although nail polish and remover is not self combustible and not a DGR if carried in small quantities for personal use, the ladie's handbag is a much safer place to stow it.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting AY104 (Reply 18):
anyone applying anything onboard an airplane, including face and hand creams

The cabin is a dry environment. Most people apply lotions on their skin, what's wrong with that?

Quoting AY104 (Reply 18):
I digress. Anybody "grooming" themselves in public SHOULD be arrested!

Wow...
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:18 pm

For my own safety and peace of mind, I appreciate that airlines maintain very clear expectations that the people around me on an aircraft MUST do as they are told by the flight crew. These days we're on a flying bus with people from all walks of life, and obviously we have no immediate escape route in the event of a food-fight at 35,000 feet. On one recent occasion I was indeed inconvenienced by a ridiculous demand from a flight attendant who was either a bit clueless or who was having a very bad day. I followed her instructions and then sent a letter of complaint to the airline with my STAR Gold FF number. The response from the airline suggested that corrective action was taken.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 29):
Nail polish is forbidden on AA. Period. End of story.

I believe acetone is banned on all airlines as it is part of the liquid in the dastardly snow globes of Disney.

I agree with most that common decorum would dictate that you would/should not apply nail polish on a enclosed cabin as the fumes can and do give people headaches and nausea. The passenger should of simply waited until she landed and excused herself to the bathroom and finished there. I also think that the FA was angered by her actions of circumnavigating what she said and also it does not say how long she was in the lav and that could of also brought up red flags to the FA.

People need to realize that you cannot do what you want when you want to do it all of the time.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):
wrong, in that case they would stow these items in their checked luggage and that is much more dangerous.



But yet we allow items such as deodorants, hair spray, shaving cream, after shave, and so on to travel in checked luggage. These Items in their own respective containers can be just as dangerous of an item if not more as her nail polish.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):
Although nail polish and remover is not self combustible and not a DGR if carried in small quantities for personal use,

Exactly, that's why airlines allow the items I mentioned above to be carried in checked luggage. They are deemed a non reportable quantity, and there for their risk is considered minimal. If you totaled up the number of these "personal care items" in the checked luggage areas of an aircraft on any given trip, the amount would be greater than what most people think. If these items are as bad you claim, FedEx or local stores would love all travelers because they would have to ship them to their destinations or buy them once they got there.

Personally I would rather this lady had checked her nail polish, waited until she got to her boyfriends house, or had applied the polish before her flight. Why couldn't she do this while waiting in the terminal? The fact of the matter like stated above she was inconsiderate, failed to follow crew member instructions, then after she disobeyed these instructions by going into the lav, acted liked a fool towards the police. She deserved to be detained. Sure you can act however you want, but you have to be grown up enough to accept the consequences that come with those actions.

[Edited 2012-03-08 09:56:34]
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 40):

People need to realize that you cannot do what you want when you want to do it all of the time.

PRECISELY! Whenever someone is challenged onboard people breeze right past MANNERS, DECORUM, POLITENESS and go straight for FAR's... if it's not banned specifically then the FA must've stepped his/her boundaries and "How DARE they ask me to not do exactly as I please how and when I please....."

Just because something may not be "on the books" doesn't mean it's not prohibited, discouraged or frowned upon. FA's have a lot more to manage and keep an eye on than just the FAR's. I try to make sure when I pass through the cabin that everyone is not only safe but comfortable so if I notice someone fast sleep with their call-light on, I'll turn it off so it's not in their eyes, or I'll close their shade if I can reach it from the aisle. If I see a parent who looks to be changing their child I'll let them know where the changing station is and help them get set-up so as not to make the cabin smell.... and conversely if someone is painting their nails, has their music too loud or isn't wearing headphones (very common now) I'll kindly ask them to turn down the volume etc. This falls under that category with the added layer of hazmat and suspicion (due in part to the fact that the pax in question then ignored the FA and proceeded into the lavatory).

I don't need to hear everyone's horror stories about "Sure but ONE TIME ...at band camp... this FA said and did XYZ and..." sure... ok.... some of us aren't good at our jobs, as some of your aren't as well-behaved as you'd like to put on, but the fact is MOST pax are behaved and MOST FA's do their jobs. In this situation we weren't there to witness it all and we all know, be it pax or FA, most people will NEVER tell the whole story if it involves admitting guilt; a benefit the FA doesn't even have because he/she can't comment publicly as the pax can.

Our society is completely checked out at most times... people don't listen or engage and when they do it's to defend the fact that they didn't hear what you said the first 4 times. People also are incredibly reluctant to accept responsibility for anything. The days of "The customer is always right" was fine when people were generally courteous, contentious, prepared, humble and responsible... but now people want to ride that wave all the way to the bank and forgot the manner of "the good ole days".... um NO.

Please just be an ADULT, follow the RULES and exhibit some COMMON COURTESY. If you don't like the rules or they don't suit your particular station/situation in life then follow up later, -in the moment- is hardly the time to challenge something you probably know nothing about . If you can't then I suggest you drive in your own car.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 41):
But yet we allow items such as deodorants, hair spray, shaving cream, after shave, and so on to travel in checked luggage. These Items in their own respective containers can be just as dangerous of an item if not more as her nail polish.

   In addition, common hand sanitizers are mostly alcohol, and flamable, with a very hot flame. I've not tested a small bottle of Purell to see how long it burns, however.

I think perfumes, cologne, and aftershave are offensive as well, in concentrated close proximity. Deodorant is one thing (and thanks for that, people), but perfume and aftershave should be discouraged in closed environments.

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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):

I have observed the same type of incident and nail polish is very strong in the cabin of an aircraft. As well as passengers who marinate in perfume or cologne. I don't know where anyone gets the idea that passengers do not have to follow crew member instructions. When a passenger is flying onboard an airline he/she is subject to the rules and regulations of that carrier. So when I caught a lady having sex in the restroom with a young male and passengers complained about it on a full flight was she not required to stop. I was standing at the lav door and the sounds from the inside were so loud that passengers in the area complained and I had to pound on the door and ask both parties to please exit the lav.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 42):

Very well said!      
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:18 pm

A personal tale regarding acetone and it's potential danger.
I'm a chemist and I used to work at a company that made many specialty industrial chemicals, among them "potassium superoxide", ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_superoxide ), which our parent company used in mining equipment etc. In our lab, we tested this product for quality, and the test involved putting some product in a flask and adding water which released oxygen and heat). When we cleaned glassware in this lab, we used acetone to purge any remaining water from the cleaning process from the flask.

Another person in the lab was doing the analysis of this chemical directly behind me. There was a huge BANG and I was dazed and deafened except for ringing in the ears. The girl doing the analysis fell backwards and I caught her just before she hit the floor. Her hands, arms and face were bloody, and bits of glass stuck out of her, but most of the glass was "powdered" by the strength of the explosion.
What happened? Enough residual acetone vapor remained in the ehrlenmeyer flask that when she added water and released heat, it exceeded the flash point of the acetone, which with the oxygen released, created a powerful explosion.

So with just a few drops of acetone... Well, on an airplane, bad things can happen.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 42):

Agree 100%   

If only society had your same mentality.

The reason I quoted the FARs is because just like you said, society is checked out, lacking common courtesy, or just downright self centered and they really don't give $.02 what anyone else thinks. Because of that, we have to have laws (this goes WAY beyond just flying and the FARs) which dictate the boundaries since people just get along. Even in this discussion, there are some that say she was not in the wrong because the FARs don't say she is. Common courtesy is something only exhibited by precious few these days, or so it seems.
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:23 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4):

Seems exacerbated by cops trying to press any sort of charge. They should've interviewed her and let her go.

The article says they let her go without pressing charges.

No, the cops took her in and held her for 10 hours until the DA injected a little sanity into this and let her go. Whatever happened on the plane aside, a second situation began with the police interviews, and it seems bizarre they decided to hold this woman with a sole charge of "profane" language.

Yes, this woman is likely a jerk. Sure sounds like a jerk. But when did the accepted procedure for dealing with a jerk become arresting her on lame charges that don't stick? I feel like the FAs were in the right to have this woman sit down with the cops and have a good long discussion about how she was a jerk, but on the other hand, I feel like the cops gave her a legitimate gripe by not leaving it at that.
 
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RE: Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:27 pm

I kinda thought the blonde was being courteous by going in the lav to finish. The reality is there was one FA that for what ever reason got her nose out of joint and she was going to win the argument come hell or high water. I get so tired of TSA, pilots, FA's that throw their authority around and cannot use a little common sense and restraint.