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Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:27 am

Flybe, Europe's largest regional airline, today announced that it has signed an agreement to provide two Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 aircraft - with pilots, cabin crew and engineering support - to Brussels Airlines at the end of this month on a two year contract flying agreement.

Flybe is expected to operate routes for the Belgian airline throughout Europe, including Hamburg, Strasbourg, Manchester, Lyon, Prague and Hannover.

Flying will commence on the 25th March with the aircraft to be in Brussels Airlines livery.


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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:29 am

Will this replace the Dash from OS operating on behalf of SN, or an addition?
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:50 am

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):

In addition. The OS/VO DH4 will continue to serve routes such as MAN alongside BE.
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
the aircraft to be in Brussels Airlines livery.

I look forward to seeing that... bet it'll look good!
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:20 pm

Anyone have an idea which Flybe Dash-8's will be going to them?
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:14 pm

A bit ironic that an airline that BA has shares in is to operate for a Lufthansa owned airline!!!
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:47 am

Is SN planning to acquire Q400 for themselves in the future?
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting baje427 (Reply 6):
Is SN planning to acquire Q400 for themselves in the future?

would make sense for them I guess to to replace older Bae 146s/Avros
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:13 pm

It would be nice if they'd reopen Amsterdam, guess the CASM of their Q400s is better then the ARJs. I am sure they can grab more connecting traffic to Africa and southern Europe.
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 7):
would make sense for them I guess to to replace older Bae 146s/Avros

The older 146s are gone already, there were six of them. I believe that two of them went flying for Korongo, a Kinshasa based airline. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not so positive about what I am saying. The other four must still be parked in the BRU Cargo apron, I don't know if they are still airworthy.

The Avros (and I think also the 737s) are next to go. So you are right, they would replace Avros in the long run.

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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:57 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 4):
Anyone have an idea which Flybe Dash-8's will be going to them?

G-ECOH and G-ECOI. Here's G-ECOH, seen a few days ago in SN colours:

http://www.bhxspotter.com/blog/?p=2678
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:37 pm

Unfortunately that takes SN off my list. I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

A shame really since I like connecting through BRU. Far more pleasant than FRA or CDG etc.   It seems however they keep on bringing in the A319 on some flights here.
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
The Avros (and I think also the 737s) are next to go.

At least eight of the Avros are already gone.

RJ85 OO-DJK was reregistered G-CGVU on 5 August last year
RJ85 OO-DJL was reregistered G-CGYR on 7 December last year
RJ85 OO-DJN was reregistered G-CGYU on 20 February this year
RJ85 OO-DJO was ferried BRU-SEN and parked on 25 January this year
RJ85 OO-DJQ was reregistered G-CHDO on 8 March
RJ85 OO-DJR was ferried BRU-SEN and parked on 20 March
RJ85 OO-DJS was ferried BRU-SEN and parked on 24 January
RJ85 OO-DJT was ferried BRU-Kemble and parked on 27 February

I believe that RJ85s OO-DJV, 'JW,. 'JX, 'JY and 'JZ and the 12 RJ100s are all still in service with SN
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
Unfortunately that takes SN off my list. I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

Fortunately then they have 90 more years to get rid of them in order to meet your criteria.
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
Unfortunately that takes SN off my list. I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

Was the last time you were on a prop some time in eighties? I on FlyBe once every few weeks and just love the Q400. The active noise and vibration suppression system is an under appreciated piece of kit. Makes these planes a delight to fly. I also appreciate the airy cabin (no middle seat) and impressive thrust; we've been airborne in less than seven or eight seconds on a few flights recently. Easily preferable to SN's cramped Avros.
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 14):
Was the last time you were on a prop some time in eighties?

2004/5 ish, no idea how/if I liked the cabin as all I remember is noise and vibration. I'd much rather take on a six hour train ride to BRU than going through that again.

I know the Q400 is economical, but for me any prop is a no no.
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 15):
I know the Q400 is economical, but for me any prop is a no no.

Give it another chance. In the past two months, I've flown on an ERJ-145, a CRJ-700 and a Q400. I'll take the Dash any day in terms of passenger comfort. Yes, it's a little bit louder and a little bit slower, but legroom, shoulder room and cabin height are much, much better than the small jets or even the Avros SN flies at the moment. And for the additional noise, you can always bring earplugs!
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age

Haha, numpty. The Dash 8 Q400 is hardly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop aircraft. It's modern & fairly quiet (providing you're not sat directly next to the prop).
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 15):

I know the Q400 is economical, but for me any prop is a no no.

The Q400 is more than just economical, I know a lot of people who prefer it over an ERJ 135/145 or CRJ700/900/1000 any time... It is a quite comfortable ride after all.
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 5):
A bit ironic that an airline that BA has shares in is to operate for a Lufthansa owned airline!!!

Right now BE need all the revenue they can get, things are far from rosy. The UK domestic market has shrunk considerably more than they expected and they are forecast to make a significant loss for this financial year. They are caught between a rock and a hard place and need to do something fast.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

Well fly a quiet, comfortable and efficient prop instead then.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 15):
2004/5 ish, no idea how/if I liked the cabin as all I remember is noise and vibration. I'd much rather take on a six hour train ride to BRU than going through that again.

What was the type and sub type though - that's an important missing piece of information. If it was as you describe, I very much doubt it was a modern type.


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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 14):
Easily preferable to SN's cramped Avros.

SN's Avro RJs aren't cramped. Their 5-abreast configuration (like LX's) is very spacious. No comparison with the 6-abreast CityJet and LH Regional Avros which are definitely cramped and best avoided.

I've flown on quite a few Q400s and have no complaints. The only comment I have is that their maximum certificated altitude of 25,000 ft. (due to the lack of drop-down oxygen masks) means you sometimes have to fly through weather and turbulence that you'd be flying over on a jet.
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:12 pm

Indeed, the Avro RJ at SN aren't cramped at all: at 5 abreast, their seats are wider than those on a 737 or A320 even.

I've flown on a Q400 several times in the past and it's not a bad plane from a pax point of view when you compare it to a regional jet like the Ejets or the CRJs, but it's definitely in a lower league than the Avro RJ for the simple reason that's pretty much like an A318/736 with 4 engines.
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 10):

The Q does not look half bad in the SN livery
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:41 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
SN's Avro RJs aren't cramped. Their 5-abreast configuration (like LX's) is very spacious.
Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 21):
Indeed, the Avro RJ at SN aren't cramped at all: at 5 abreast, their seats are wider than those on a 737 or A320 even.

Thanks for the correction - I seemed to think the RJs were six abreast.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 22):
The Q does not look half bad in the SN livery

On second glance it is definitely growing on me. I see the BE livery so much that I've started not to notice it anymore, but the SN colours do remind me of how FlyBe's Blur Medium looks a little childish on the side of a plane  
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:35 am

Could they be getting ready to replace the two ERJs BMI Regional flies on behalf of SN?
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Could they be getting ready to replace the two ERJs BMI Regional flies on behalf of SN?

This is quite possible. But while it is clear that flybe will be operating two specific aircraft for SN - G-ECOH and G-ECOI both painted in their livery - I do not think that this is the case for bmi Regional.

For example ERJ145 G-EMBI is currently being operated on SN flights but has only been doing so since 23 March. From 19 to 23 March it was operating on bmi Regional routes including both EDI and LBA to BRU and before that was operating on bmi Main Line ABZ-LHR-ABZ flights.

Other bmi Regional ERJ145s that have operated SN flights include G-EMBN and G-RJXC, 'XF and 'XG.
 
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RE: Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 5):

Even more ironic that BMI as a still 100% LH subsidiary will soon be flying for BA...