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Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:21 am

Delta has returned seven Brazil frequencies to DOT. It was recently awarded the frequencies to begin daily service (again) to Manaus, Brazil. It has cancelled such plans.

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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Delta has returned seven Brazil frequencies to DOT. It was recently awarded the frequencies to begin daily service (again) to Manaus, Brazil. It has cancelled such plans.

Seem to be going quite well with GOL as far as connections although I don't see people back-tracking like that. FWIW, quite a few of their bags on the BSB flight has onward connections on G3; as well as many of the other flights to Brazil so I guess the interline will have to do.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

hmm how long till G3 starts the route?   
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

hmm how long till G3 starts the route?   


G3 has no intention of flying MAO-U.S. It has filed papers to fly to Miami via Caracas.

Then again, if G3 wants to lose its shirts flying MAOMIA and competing with AA/JJ instead of having a monopoly on MIABEL, they should go ahead. It has filed for 14 Miami frequencies; but putting those other seven from Manaus is a recipe for disaster.

[Edited 2012-03-09 19:57:29]
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
instead of having a monopoly on MIABEL

Is G3 starting BEL-MIA?
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:54 am

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
instead of having a monopoly on MIABEL

Is G3 starting BEL-MIA?


It has not been announced, but it is rumored that G3 will be launching MIABEL and MIACCS later this year.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
It has filed papers to fly to Miami via Caracas.

Before the INAC? I ask because there was nothing before the ANAC, only frequencies without services attached to.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:39 pm

Those 7 DOT frequencies to Brazil are worth something for other U.S. airlines?
Are those limited to airports not GRU or GIG?
Hear AA wanted MIA-VCP but Brazil has restricted VCP to U.S. airlines until next year.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
Those 7 DOT frequencies to Brazil are worth something for other U.S. airlines?

No, there are plenty frequencies available.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
Are those limited to airports not GRU or GIG?

Six of them are non-SAO and non-RIO. The seventh is non-SAO only.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
Hear AA wanted MIA-VCP but Brazil has restricted VCP to U.S. airlines until next year.

AA has plenty of frequencies to start frequencies to anywhere in Brazil including GRU. The frequencies used on the MIA-GIG service are unrestricted, so they could shift them to GRU or VCP and apply for more and continue MIA-GIG without interruption.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:02 pm

I'm still waiting for POA-US service and also DL CNF-ATL service. Can we exepct any of these to be announced shortly? I believe a DL CNF service on a 757 could lower fares and meet demand. Maybe DL could go 3-4x on low peak season and 7x on high peak
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 9):
Can we exepct any of these to be announced shortly?

If DL is returning frequencies, it means that they were not planning to redeploy them anywhere in their system.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 9):
I believe a DL CNF service on a 757 could lower fares and meet demand.

I don't think a 752 would reach CNF from ATL.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:12 pm

With DL making route decisions AMS-MEM, Brazil slots etc. I wonder if they are finally going to give up the HND slots this time around?
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
Those 7 DOT frequencies to Brazil are worth something for other U.S. airlines?

No, there are plenty frequencies available.

I wonder if the "new UA" might be interested to give some secondary cities in Brazil a shot from IAH? CO used to fly to CNF from EWR... perhaps MAO or BSB from IAH or even REC or SSA .. not sure a 752.would be able to handle that trip from there? With the new combined size I would think additional Brazilian cities might be on the radar ...
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 12):
I wonder if the "new UA" might be interested to give some secondary cities in Brazil a shot from IAH? CO used to fly to CNF from EWR... perhaps MAO or BSB from IAH or even REC or SSA .. not sure a 752.would be able to handle that trip from there? With the new combined size I would think additional Brazilian cities might be on the radar ...

Only IAH-MAO is possible (could do it with a 738) but all the rest are 4,400nm+
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 12):

I wonder if the "new UA" might be interested to give some secondary cities in Brazil a shot from IAH? CO used to fly to CNF from EWR... perhaps MAO or BSB from IAH or even REC or SSA .. not sure a 752.would be able to handle that trip from there? With the new combined size I would think additional Brazilian cities might be on the radar ...

I would be surprised as IAH is not a well-located hub for East Coast - Brazil traffic flows compared to ATL (look how well these cities worked from there) and especially MIA.
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I highly suspect that demand for these secondary Brazilian cities is East Coast focused, especially South Florida.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 11):
With DL making route decisions AMS-MEM, Brazil slots etc. I wonder if they are finally going to give up the HND slots this time around?

DTW is coming back in April, and LAX has been doing pretty well lately.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 11):
I wonder if they are finally going to give up the HND slots this time around?

Um, really? What does Brazil have to do with Japan?

and PS Delta will be flying both of its HND routes this summer.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
Um, really? What does Brazil have to do with Japan?


Quite a large (and mobile) Japanese/Japanese descended population in Brasil .. I worked with several many years ago at Trans-Brasil.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 14):
I highly suspect that demand for these secondary Brazilian cities is East Coast focused, especially South Florida.

That's exactly it. IAH not a good alternative for the East Coast. UA's success in the Southern Cone depends on how they are going to develop EWR. EWR-GIG is a no-brainer anc could be started tomorrow if they wanted to. CNF is the next step in three to four years. Much later in the decade, starting the next one, BSB and POA could come online, but I don't see alternatives for IAH beyond upgauges to GIG and GRU.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 9):
DL CNF service on a 757 could lower fares and meet demand. Maybe DL could go 3-4x on low peak season and 7x on high peak

I have my doubts about any sustainable venture of DL in some secondary cities in Brazil, just analyzing what happened at MAO, FOR and REC.




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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
don't think a 752 would reach CNF from ATL.

Well, ATL-CNF is only 7% farther than ATL-BSB following strictly a straight line and according to the Great Circle Mapper.

ATL-BSB: 3623 nm
ATL-CNF: 3938 nm

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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
I have my doubts about any sustainable venture of DL in some secondary cities in Brazil, just analyzing what happened at MAO, FOR and REC.

Fares are extremely high on MIA-CNF, so I think the demand is there. Minas Gerais, where CNF is located, is the state that grows the most in Brazil. I believe even a 763 would work, specially when it has a better product that the AA 763
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 20):
Fares are extremely high on MIA-CNF, so I think the demand is there. Minas Gerais, where CNF is located, is the state that grows the most in Brazil. I believe even a 763 would work, specially when it has a better product that the AA 763

More than half of U.S.-CNF demand is to Florida (close to 60%, actually). That market isn't going to overfly to Atlanta because the product might be better, especially since most of Delta's 763 fleet is configured with recliners in business and a worse product in the first place.

The frequencies Delta are returning are freely transferable to anywhere but GRU and, some, GIG. So if Delta had plans to go to CNF, FOR, or whatever, it would not have been returning them.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
It has filed papers to fly to Miami via Caracas.

Before the INAC? I ask because there was nothing before the ANAC, only frequencies without services attached to.

Not that I know of, but pretty easy to put two and two together here. It's just a question of whether Gol gives the final go for U.S. flights, in which case it will undeniably be MIA-CCS-XXX.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
More than half of U.S.-CNF demand is to Florida (close to 60%, actually). That market isn't going to overfly to Atlanta because the product might be better, especially since most of Delta's 763 fleet is configured with recliners in business and a worse product in the first place.

Do you think that would be viable, a CNF-NYC flight with AA ?? And if so when it would be ?
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting CNForever (Reply 22):
Do you think that would be viable, a CNF-NYC flight with AA ?? And if so when it would be ?

When AA emerges from BK with a much lower cost structure, yes, I think CNFJFK, 3w 763 could show promise.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:36 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
More than half of U.S.-CNF demand is to Florida (close to 60%, actually). That market isn't going to overfly to Atlanta because the product might be better, especially since most of Delta's 763 fleet is configured with recliners in business and a worse product in the first place.

I have not flown DL international lately, but I thought they had done some cabin updates with Premium Economy and lie flat business class seats. I suspect they have PTVs too in Coach?

Do you know how DL GRU flights are doing?

I flew DL ATL-MCO this last friday, the flights were packed with Brazilians, I assume going to disney / universal parks LOL. To me ATL is not that far north where vacation travelers would mind paying a cheaper fare for not too longer routes.

Just from conversation with travelers, I have notice that they are starting to explore more of the US than just NY and FL. Vegas seems to be in high demand and so is California.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:38 am

Thanks for your response.

It would be very good. AA has many loyal customers in Minas Gerais and this flight IMHO would be a winner.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 24):
I have not flown DL international lately, but I thought they had done some cabin updates with Premium Economy and lie flat business class seats. I suspect they have PTVs too in Coach?

The 763s are being renovated, but most still have the old business class cabins and no PTVs. The process will go well into 2013 before renovations are complete.

DL has not launched premium economy, it has launched an extra legroom section of economy just like United. American Airlines is launching the same exact product fleet-wide starting this fall.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 24):
Just from conversation with travelers, I have notice that they are starting to explore more of the US than just NY and FL. Vegas seems to be in high demand and so is California.

Absolutely, especially as the Brazilian middle class grows, but it still doesn't approach the number of Brazilians that go to Florida. Not even New York can approach it.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
Well, ATL-CNF is only 7% farther than ATL-BSB following strictly a straight line and according to the Great Circle Mapper.

Yes, but ATL-BSB is so borderline viable that I think ATL-CNF won't fly.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
but GRU

And VCP!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Not that I know of, but pretty easy to put two and two together here. It's just a question of whether Gol gives the final go for U.S. flights, in which case it will undeniably be MIA-CCS-XXX.

Yes, I did that way before you, but that's not the question. You mentioned papers, but there are none. I'm just asking you to be precise.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Not that I know of, but pretty easy to put two and two together here. It's just a question of whether Gol gives the final go for U.S. flights, in which case it will undeniably be MIA-CCS-XXX.

Wouldn't surprise me. Gol already does XXX-CCS-PUJ under the Varig brand. And Lan does XXX-CCS-MIA.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:43 am

Quoting Acheron (Reply 28):
Gol already does XXX-CCS-PUJ under the Varig brand

G3 GRU-CCS-AUA; 2x weekly
G3 GRU-CCS-PUJ; 5x weekly

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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 24):
I have not flown DL international lately, but I thought they had done some cabin updates with Premium Economy and lie flat business class seats. I suspect they have PTVs too in Coach?

Do you know how DL GRU flights are doing?

DL has been using the 764ERs on both GRU-ATL and GRU-JFK this winter and will continue with them during the "northern" summer; these have flat-bed J and AVOD PTVs in Y. GRU-DTW is still the old 763ER though.

Some 763ERs have been converted but are being used mostly on transatlantic (and some transpacific).
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
Hear AA wanted MIA-VCP but Brazil has restricted VCP to U.S. airlines until next year.

AA is currently interested in MIACWB and MIAPOA. No plans for MIAVCP.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:05 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
ATL-BSB: 3623 nm

It's usually closer to 3800 but a 757 wouldn't make sense to CNF. ATLBSB is extremely weight restricted as it is.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 27):
Yes, but ATL-BSB is so borderline viable that I think ATL-CNF won't fly.

Very much so. Some days it does okay but on others when there are 300 bags checked for the flight and over half are heavy bags then things get a little complicated.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:17 am

I don't expect anything new. Seems airlines are upgrading/upgauging current services and will continue to do it for a while:

DL 764 on JFK-GRU (use to be 763)
UA 772 on IAH-GIG (764 currently)
UA 764 on EWR-GRU (use to be 762)
AA 77W on DFW-GRU (772 currently)
AA 772 on JFK-GIG (to be back to 763 next month)
JJ 77W on GRU-MIA (A332 currently)
JJ 77W on GRU-JFK expected (A332 currently)
JJ A332 daily GIG-JFK (currently 6x weekly)
JJ A332 on one (or two) MIA route that currently have 763 service

This is about four new daily services in additional capacity (if we talk about 763's), at least.

Quoting panamair (Reply 30):
DL has been using the 764ERs on both GRU-ATL and GRU-JFK this winter and will continue with them during the "northern" summer; these have flat-bed J and AVOD PTVs in Y. GRU-DTW is still the old 763ER though.

Currently using 764ERs on ATL-GIG also, but this seems to be back to 763ER.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
I don't think a 752 would reach CNF from ATL.

No, it wouldn't.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
Well, ATL-CNF is only 7% farther than ATL-BSB following strictly a straight line and according to the Great Circle Mapper.

ATL-BSB: 3623 nm
ATL-CNF: 3938 nm

That 7% is huge, especially since ATL-BSB is already a stretch.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:46 pm

ATL is ATL but it really seems of little use for Brazilian routes outside SAO and RIO since the major O/D markets for Brazilans in the U.S. are South East Florida and NYC.
From ATL maybe ATL-BSB-CNF w/wide-body may be interesting. Even ATL-SSA (Brazil 4th or 5th major metro area depending who's counting) is questionable.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
No plans for MIAVCP.

That route should be no. 1 on the list imho, since GRU is slot restricted
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 36):
That route should be no. 1 on the list imho, since GRU is slot restricted

Why should it? If not even LGW is able to sustain service to NYC, why should VCP to MIA?
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:43 pm

Perhaps it is time for NK to start FLL-MAO. I've heard it rumored in the past.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:54 pm

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 38):
I've heard it rumored in the past.

It was not a rumour. NK actually applied for it, but withdrew later.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
More than half of U.S.-CNF demand is to Florida (close to 60%, actually). That market isn't going to overfly to Atlanta because the product might be better, especially since most of Delta's 763 fleet is configured with recliners in business and a worse product in the first place.

But the price sensitive public will do it, I think. Even taking into consideration the horrible departure and arrival times and their inferior product, Copa's flights are bursting at the seems with Brazilians going not only to MIA, but also to MCO and New York.

They just have to settle for lower yields than AA at CNF.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 37):
Why should it? If not even LGW is able to sustain service to NYC, why should VCP to MIA?

Because VCP has a real catchment area of its own? Moreover, the day UA (most likely) comes with a red-eyes B757 LON-EWR flight it'll have to be out of LGW and that day LGW would be able to sustain a flight to NYC.
Comparing LGW and VCP isn't really fair to both airports. VCP operations sans cargo and array of services don't even match LGW, STN or LTN.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 40):
Copa's flights are bursting at the seems with Brazilians going not only to MIA, but also to MCO and New York.

And soon to LAS.

Any DL ATL flight to somewhere in Brazil other than SAO or RIO, will face lower yields than any service to/from MIA.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
Because VCP has a real catchment area of its own?

Nad you're saying that LGW doesn't?

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
Comparing LGW and VCP isn't really fair to both airports. VCP operations sans cargo and array of services don't even match LGW, STN or LTN.

Exactly, VCP is way behind.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
More than half of U.S.-CNF demand is to Florida (close to 60%, actually). That market isn't going to overfly to Atlanta because the product might be better, especially since most of Delta's 763 fleet is configured with recliners in business and a worse product in the first place.

Well once DL has all the 763 interior reconfigured, it most certainly will have a better onboard product than AA. Considering DL already does capture traffic to Brazil from MIA/FLL/MCO thru ATL to GRU/GIG/BSB it would certainly be possible to conclude that US-CNF passenger would use DL thru ATL if the onboard product and price was right. DL wouldn't have to capture much from south florida as it would have the ATL hub to connect all other major US cities as well to CNF and other cities in Brazil.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 27):
Yes, but ATL-BSB is so borderline viable that I think ATL-CNF won't fly.

Very much so. Some days it does okay but on others when there are 300 bags checked for the flight and over half are heavy bags then things get a little complicated.

Yeah this is a problem frequently and would certainly be an issue with a ATL-CNF on a 757. I do wonder how a ATL-BSB-CNF on a DL763 would perform considering it would eliminate the wieght restrictions the 757 to BSB have currently.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 33):
DL 764 on JFK-GRU (use to be 763)
UA 772 on IAH-GIG (764 currently)
UA 764 on EWR-GRU (use to be 762)
AA 77W on DFW-GRU (772 currently)
AA 772 on JFK-GIG (to be back to 763 next month)
JJ 77W on GRU-MIA (A332 currently)
JJ 77W on GRU-JFK expected (A332 currently)
JJ A332 daily GIG-JFK (currently 6x weekly)
JJ A332 on one (or two) MIA route that currently have 763 service

UA IAH-GIG 7x weekly is served with 764 nowadays
That route would be up-gauged till October 28th from 764 to 772.
It will be delayed since it was announced on September 12th for the first time.

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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 44):
UA IAH-GIG 7x weekly is served with 764 nowadays

It's actually 6x weekly 764, 1x weekly 77E.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 43):
Well once DL has all the 763 interior reconfigured, it most certainly will have a better onboard product than AA.

Except AA is already rolling out its new product starting in the fall.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 43):
Considering DL already does capture traffic to Brazil from MIA/FLL/MCO thru ATL to GRU/GIG/BSB

Delta's marketshare on South Florida-Brazil is near non-existent.
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 46):
Delta's marketshare on South Florida-Brazil is near non-existent.

You are under estimating these numbers, I see a good amount of South Florida-Brazil traffic in ATL daily.
 
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 47):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 46):
Delta's marketshare on South Florida-Brazil is near non-existent.

You are under estimating these numbers, I see a good amount of South Florida-Brazil traffic in ATL daily.

I'm not underestimating anything. I have access to marketshare numbers. I'm using facts, not anecdotes.

On the average day, Delta carries two FLL-Brazil passengers and it's share of Miami-Brazil is less than 2%, flying barely two dozen people per day.

I'll give you this though: it has nearly 33% of the Fort Lauderdale-Brazil local market; but that's because less than 8 people fly FLL-Brazil on the average day.

[Edited 2012-03-14 21:21:47]
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RE: Delta Returns Seven Brazil Frequencies To DOT

Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 46):
Except AA is already rolling out its new product starting in the fall.

And Delta has ~50 done already....so AA will be nicely behind DL.
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