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Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:08 am

ATLANTA —

Emergency crews are at Hartsfield-International Airport after a plane undergoing maintenance veered off a taxiway.

No passengers were on the plane, which airport cameras show was tilted on its side.

A Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson said a maintenance person was moving the place when it went off the taxiway.

The incident is not impeding traffic at the airport, the FAA said.


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/plane...-taxiway-hartsfield-jackson/nLRX7/
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:27 am

Wow, that is one nasty slope..!
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:03 am

737-700

What part of the airport is that?
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:04 am

Wow.....sure is airkas1 !!! Site just added that closer pic.. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention, man !!
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:12 am

PSU..... Apparently somewhere on the East side......which does us a lot of good... Ha...

"Delta Air Lines spokesman Eric Torbenson tells The Associated Press mechanics were testing the engines of the Boeing 737 when they experienced a problem with the braking system around 5 a.m. Tuesday. Bergen says the jet rolled off the taxiway on the east side of Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. She wasn't aware of any effect on airport operations as of 6 a.m."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...rolls-off-taxiway-at-atlantas.html
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
737-700

What part of the airport is that?

My guess is it's the Taxiway directly North of the large hanger that's East of the F terminal (TWY E). There is a big drop from that TWY down to the hanger ramp. Often when you taxi by for a West departure, you are above everything but the V Stab on a 777.

Judging by the picture it looks like it was quite foggy too. I wonder if the "problem with the braking system" was a failure to apply brakes...
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:44 am

Well let me be the first to ask - tail number?
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:46 am

Just flashed up on the BBC news with live pictures here in the UK. Reporter says they were testing the brakes...!

No casualties, but the aircraft appears to be resting/tilting nose down on a bank almost touching the edge of a highway.

Appears nobody was hurt - good news.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:51 am

Looks like ship number N309DE

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:54 am

Quoting btblue (Reply 8):
Looks like ship number N309DL

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:57 am

Looks like N309DE to me.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:00 pm

I've often wondered how ATL passes FAA inspections with the huge slopes in various areas of the airport.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:03 pm

Corrected - I misread the reg. It is DE and not DL.

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:05 pm

Updated pic from WSB... Man...# 1 not looking real nice.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/plane...-taxiway-hartsfield-jackson/nLRX7/

[Edited 2012-03-13 05:11:14]
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting gib (Reply 13):

Well it's a good thing they are already at a major MX location.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting micstatic (Reply 11):
I've often wondered how ATL passes FAA inspections with the huge slopes in various areas of the airport.

That is an interesting question. That being said, what are the FAA regs for large slopes, ditches, enbankments in the middle of the airfield?

Remember the CO 737 in DEN that departed the runway? Wasn't the terrain of the airfield partially attributed to causing the damage that led to the fire once it departed the runway and went over a large drop-off?
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:46 pm

I was also wondering how it's okay to have slopes like that on an airfield. I've never seen anything like that before. I guess this incident is a good reason why it's not such a good idea.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
That is an interesting question. That being said, what are the FAA regs for large slopes, ditches, enbankments in the middle of the airfield?

The taxiway safety area (TSA) is 160' either side of the centerline (320' total), within that area from the edge of the hard surface, you can have a 1.5% slope for drainage. There is a smaller TSA authorized if no airplane in ADG-IV or bigger uses it. The B-73G/H is an ADG-III with or without winglets. You also have to look at if there is a FAA wavier if this taxiway does not meet the criteria of FAR part 139 and that in the Airport Planning ACs.

But why were they doing an engine run on a taxiway? Usually those are done on the mx ramp if a blast-fence is available, or a designated run-up area. Also, it looks like that taxiway climbs up-hill, so it is probibly not a run-up area. It does not make sense to do mx engine runs there.

At DFW leak checks, etc. are done on the ramps, or in one of the engine run-up areas. WB and full power engine runs are usually done on a closed runway.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:57 pm

How far is it from where they would be conducting an engine test to this location?

Quoting rduddji (Reply 5):
Judging by the picture it looks like it was quite foggy too. I wonder if the "problem with the braking system" was a failure to apply brakes...

For the mechanics livelihood, I really hope that is not true.

On a side note, the media here keep saying it was on the runway and "skidded off the runway"
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:20 pm

Looks like they were using a runup area frequently used by AirTran.



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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 16):
I was also wondering how it's okay to have slopes like that on an airfield. I've never seen anything like that before. I guess this incident is a good reason why it's not such a good idea.

ATL's runways are also somewhat notable for their degrees of slope, creating somewhat of a valley in the midpoint of the runways. It's very noticeable when you're turning onto an active runway and you look down field.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:30 pm

Just took off from ATL. 9R closed. Taxied for 35 minutes. That bird is beat up pretty bad. Glad no one was hurt.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 20):
ATL's runways are also somewhat notable for their degrees of slope, creating somewhat of a valley in the midpoint of the runways. It's very noticeable when you're turning onto an active runway and you look down field.

DFW, as well, or at least the taxiways. Some of the taxiways have very noticeable slopes to them.
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:32 pm

 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Can I be the annoying guy and see if someone can do a reg request to see if this was one of the planes I was on the other week? (Im a bad aviation geek I know).... 22FEB ATL-SXM and 27FEB SXM-ATL. Both were on 73G's.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:58 pm

CNN has a live stream of the recovery operations:

edit: #$%!@ nevermind, they just ended it. Maybe there's another one up somewhere. Would be interesting to watch.

[Edited 2012-03-13 07:07:29]
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:00 pm

Did they do an engine test and forgot the wheel chocks like the Etihad A340 in Toulouse?
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:10 pm

This isn't good- DL only has 10 of them in the fleet, used primarily for SNA transcons, EYW flights and SXM. I bet there'll be some substitutions this weekend, a few were planned to go to SAV for St Patrick's Day.

That AJC article is ahead of the game and dumb at the same time... They got the runway right (26L) but they said "traffic is departing from the runway, but not arriving." the runways closer to the terminals are always just used for departures, the outer ones for landings, so no planes would be arriving 26L to begin with.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:24 pm

If the brakes truly "failed," couldn't they have applied thrust reversers as a last-ditch effort to stop the plane?
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting rduddji (Reply 5):
My guess is it's the Taxiway directly North of the large hanger that's East of the F terminal (TWY E). There is a big drop from that TWY down to the hanger ramp.
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 19):
Looks like they were using a runup area frequently used by AirTran.
Quoting DLDiamondboy (Reply 21):
Just took off from ATL. 9R closed. Taxied for 35 minutes

Wrong, wrong, and wrong  . It's on the northwest side of the airport, just west of the city fuel farm, north of runway 8L, on a corner of taxiway E - the closure of of 9R would have nothing to do with this - 9R/27L are on the south side of the airport. The aircraft is facing north. They would've taxied through that corner to head east towards the DL North pads, passing the fuel farm. Cranes are on site now attempting to lift the aircraft back to the taxiway.

The two pics above referencing AirTran, were taken at the DL TOC, looking up at a taxiway right at the head of 8R/26L, on the east side of the field.

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:43 pm

Well, in true A.net fashion, I have to nitpick.

The aircraft is not lying on its side. In fact, it's straight on its belly on the ground.

The ground however, is ~30° to the horizontal!  

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:44 pm

Jesus. Sky over here is reporting a plane has craashed at ATL. Talk about completely incorrect and over the top!
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 27):
This isn't good- DL only has 10 of them in the fleet, used primarily for SNA transcons, EYW flights and SXM. I bet there'll be some substitutions this weekend, a few were planned to go to SAV for St Patrick's Day.

I don't know anything about the SAV planes for St. Patrick's Day but surely they could be substituted if necessary. So can the SXM flights, back to the 757 for a while, most likely.
It's not like the whole fleet is grounded, just one aircraft. An airline of DL's size will be able to substitute quite easily, I would think.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:10 pm

Looks like the FAA is posting 30 minute delays on average into ATL as of this writing due to "RWY:Disabled Aircraft". I guess the recovery efforts are disrupting ground traffic flow.

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view...etro/atlanta/delta-taxiway-031312/ has the best still pics I've seen, but it's tough to see how bad the damage is to the nose area; the left engine cowling took a beating but it's tough to tell how bad the engine damage is visually. Young plane, I assume they'll fix it. Certainly much worse damage has occurred to frames that flew again.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 32):
So can the SXM flights, back to the 757 for a while, most likely.

. . . and the SNA flights (which can also be 738 and likely 319), and CR7s can do EYW, IIRC. They shouldn't have too much trouble.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 29):
It's on the northwest side of the airport, just west of the city fuel farm, north of runway 8L, on a corner of taxiway E

How is that when taxiway E is SOUTH of runway 8R/27L? I'm not there but your description doesn't make sense. We don't to high power runs there in ATL. We either do them in the TOC run-up hole or on the east end of taxiway E overlooking the run-up hole. The headon picture sure looks like the embankment at the edge of the east end of taxiway E. That's the only place on the airport I know of with an embankment and emergency access road in that arrangement.

Just checked with work. It was indeed on the east end of taxiway E on the northeast side of the airport overlooking the TOC run-up hole.

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:24 pm

I wonder what Delta's policy is for employees involved in this kind of mishap. Hoping they didn't lose their jobs.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 36):
I wonder what Delta's policy is for employees involved in this kind of mishap. Hoping they didn't lose their jobs.

There will be an investigation and if it is found out those involved willfully and knowingly didn't follow procedures then there will likely be punitive action, possibly including termination. They will look at the employees record in determining what action to take. If procedures were followed then their jobs are certainly safe.

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:43 pm

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting blueheronNC (Reply 28):

Yes, they could have. However since there were mechanics at the controls as opposed to pilots, their first instincts may have not been to use reverse thrust, where as a pilot would have more like reacted as such.
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 31):

Perhaps SKY were tipped off by the Daily Mail.     
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:01 pm

Looks like it happened here (red circle)

I hope that, as after the Etihad A346 accident, they will change their run up policy ! Doing it on top of that 'hill' is quite...unsafe !



 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting jetskipper (Reply 39):
Yes, they could have. However since there were mechanics at the controls as opposed to pilots, their first instincts may have not been to use reverse thrust, where as a pilot would have more like reacted as such.

Absolutely, if you take a look to the Etihad A346 accident in Toulouse, the only one who pulled back the throttles in the cockpit was the pilot seated in the jumpseat. While the two mechs were looking at the systems wondering why the aircraft was moving with brakes applied...
 
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 34):
. . . and the SNA flights (which can also be 738 and likely 319), and CR7s can do EYW, IIRC. They shouldn't have too much trouble.

I don't think they can use the 738 SNA-ATL, but right now its 3x 73W and 1x 752

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 29):
Wrong, wrong, and wrong . It's on the northwest side of the airport, just west of the city fuel farm, north of runway 8L, on a corner of taxiway E - the closure of of 9R would have nothing to do with this - 9R/27L are on the south side of the airport. The aircraft is facing north. They would've taxied through that corner to head east towards the DL North pads, passing the fuel farm. Cranes are on site now attempting to lift the aircraft back to the taxiway.

The fuel farm sits along taxiway Alpha, the plane is off taxiway E near techops, towards the end of 26L.

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 24):
Can I be the annoying guy and see if someone can do a reg request to see if this was one of the planes I was on the other week? (Im a bad aviation geek I know).... 22FEB ATL-SXM and 27FEB SXM-ATL. Both were on 73G's.

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Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:21 pm

There will be NO ( waves the finger ) stopping on the taxiway at Delta Air Lines..   
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
But why were they doing an engine run on a taxiway?

Could they have been taxiing from the terminal TO the runup area?

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 36):
I wonder what Delta's policy is for employees involved in this kind of mishap. Hoping they didn't lose their jobs.

In addition to the investigation, I feel a drug test coming on.
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:47 pm

Interesting ATC ground would authorize nighttime towing especially in fog and at the U.S. busiest airport.

Does anybody foresee the FAA placing restrictions on nighttime towing when the taxiways are used; limiting/restricting towing to between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise?
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 46):
Does anybody foresee the FAA placing restrictions on nighttime towing when the taxiways are used; limiting/restricting towing to between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise?

No, the night is the slowest time for traffic at the airport.

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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 43):
I don't think they can use the 738 SNA-ATL,

AA uses the 738 every day to both DFW and ORD (and, IIRC, did so pre-winglets).
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RE: Plane Off Taxiway @ ATL

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 46):
Interesting ATC ground would authorize nighttime towing especially in fog and at the U.S. busiest airport.

Does anybody foresee the FAA placing restrictions on nighttime towing when the taxiways are used; limiting/restricting towing to between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise?

I believe this happened at about 5 am, so virtually no traffic at this time......besides, it wasn't being "towed", it was taxiing, if I read the article correctly.
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