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Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:06 pm

Put a bird on the bird.

Flights start June 5 to SFO and LAX

http://www.virginamerica.com/vx/book...ewegrowagain.html?cid=sm_social908

[Edited 2012-03-13 10:06:29]
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:18 pm

Very nice destination.. I think local Portland crowd will embrace these flights as UA has been reducing capacity on these destinations.. I am sure Alaska will attack them pretty hard ..
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:22 pm

Yes, it's a very nice video they produced (link above). It'll be a good fit with their model.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 1):
I am sure Alaska will attack them pretty hard

Has not stopped VX yet. Im sure AS will try but capacity is not why people try VX or B6 or any other LCC.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:27 pm

Congrat's to PDX for getting a new carrier and more service to California!

Lots of nice things going on right now for your City of Roses a.netters to be thinking and talking about. Nice times!

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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:32 pm

Their schedule is lean though: one daily to SFO and two dailies to LAX.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:39 pm

Well, it seems that PDX is getting a bit of love lately.

Congrats for being VX's newest city.

Then probably PDX will get (I'm predicting this) the PDX-DCA n/s that AS filed for.

And then DL upgauges to AMS.

Some good things happening there.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:47 pm

Sweet   Hope AS and VX can coexist on these routes.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:50 pm

Good deal. America's best airline opens for business in a new city.

Yet another reason to avoid Alaska/Horizon when headed to NW and give VX more business when possible.


Initial schedule:

VX802 LAX-PDX 0935-1150
VX808 LAX-PDX 1910-2125

VX803 PDX-LAX 0630-0850
VX809 PDX-LAX 1605-1825

VX816 SFO-PDX 1330-1520

VX817 PDX-SFO 1235-1430



[Edited 2012-03-13 10:53:40]
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:51 pm

I'm so happy! Great news for Portland!
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:03 pm

Will the plane run on organic bio-fuels?
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:25 pm

It's great to see PDX getting VX and some new choices to CA. I do ask the question...why only 1X daily to SFO? That's hardly any competition against AS or UA. I guess 1X daily to SFO and 2X daily to LAX is better than no additional service. Good luck, VX. I'm sure you guys will do fine...more connection opportunities to the rest of the VX network.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:38 pm

Maybe this will get Alaska to stop using those Q400s to SFO.

Still won't fly 'em, but I eagerly look forward to them helping drop fares on WN and AS to California.

They should name the bird "granola" and have it run on fairy dust and love.

[Edited 2012-03-13 11:40:40]
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 10):
Will the plane run on organic bio-fuels?

Locally sourced, artisan jet fuel, no doubt.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 13):
Locally sourced, artisan jet fuel, no doubt.

LEED Bronze certified service, since their terminal is LEED Gold and their HQ LEED Silver...
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:58 pm

Let me ask you just one more time. Is it local?

Great to see. Hopefully they'll throw a few more frequencies on both routes once they're established in the markets.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:06 pm

AS doesn't fly mainline 737 between SFO and PDX? Didn't know that (don't live in Portland anymore, but recall flying back from Asia to PDX in the 2000s connecting in SFO and it was a 737 or MD).
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting timpdx (Reply 16):
AS doesn't fly mainline 737 between SFO and PDX?

Twice a day. The other 3 are QX Q400s.

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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:16 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 1):
UA has been reducing capacity on these destinations.

Indeed, 1 or 2 flights a day on an RJ with a VERY irregular schedule. Through a great deal of effort and hard work, UA has made itself irrelevant on this route.

I particularly like the 1910 LAX-PDX departure and 630 PDX-LAX flight. Alaska's 17:05 LAX-PDX was often too early for me to make and if the 21:00 departure is delayed I miss the last MAX train and have to take a cab. The 6:30 flight to LAX arrives early enough for a full day of work.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:27 pm

More great news for PDX! Happy to see it.  
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:32 pm

Welcome VX and love the subtle Portlandia references..
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
Maybe this will get Alaska to stop using those Q400s to SFO.

My thoughts as well, but I wouldn't hold out hope for 8x daily 739s with $49 fares  .

VX needs more than 1 SFO flight to scare AS, especially when the flight does not allow for a day trip in either direction. Perhaps AS will change a Q400 turn or two into 73Gs, but I don't believe AS has a lot of excess capacity available for the rest of the year. There are few new frames entering the fleet in 2012 and certain 734 leases can be extended, but AS is opening PHL and potentially PDX/SAN-DCA, which together would consume 3 frames.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:01 am

I wouldn't be surprise if VX is up to 3 flights a day to SFO and LAX by next summer.......................................I wonder which concourse they'll fly out of? Hopefully C!
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 21):
VX needs more than 1 SFO flight to scare AS

To what end, though? What does "scaring" AS do, exactly? It's not like AS is going to abandon the route.

So is the goal to see VX lose money getting into a fare war with AS and ultimately pull out of the market?
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:28 am

Awesome! new options to LAX & SFO. Wonder if i can use this to connect to VA flight to down under.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 17):
Twice a day.

Not recently. It's been 1x daily whenever I've looked at it this winter. Not sure if it's changed recently.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 18):
Through a great deal of effort and hard work, UA has made itself irrelevant on this route.

I remember flying UA PDX-LAX-TUS about 6 years ago. Flew a 757 out of PDX and had a choice between a few 757s and a smattering of A320s.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 21):
My thoughts as well, but I wouldn't hold out hope for 8x daily 739s with $49 fares

We can hope, can't we?   Just an additional (daily) 737 would be nice. I prefer SFO over OAK and SJC, unless I need to be in the South Bay.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:55 am

It's about time, I have been wondering why it took VX so long, PDX was on their initial list of cities they were planning service to. Glad to see them here, finally.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 25):
Not recently. It's been 1x daily whenever I've looked at it this winter. Not sure if it's changed recently.


I'm fairly sure it's been that way since the fall. The evening 737 doesn't operate on Saturdays however. The morning 737 goes on to Cabo daily,
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:41 am

Congratulations to VX and PDX.

VX can definitely co-exist with AS nicely in the LAX-PDX market.
UAEX is down to what 3-4 CRJs (50 seaters). It will be interesting to see what UAEX does in this market. As it is, they had already reduced SEA and went from all CR7s to a combo of CRJ/CR7s.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:49 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 23):

So is the goal to see VX lose money getting into a fare war with AS and ultimately pull out of the market?

I am pretty sure that is VX's goal period. Burning money is what they are good at.   
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 29):
I am pretty sure that is VX's goal period. Burning money is what they are good at

Amen to that. It's been awhile since we've heard anything from VX about their financials. Can't wait to hear Cush move his prediction for a profit from first 2011, then to 2012 to now 2013. Yadda yadda
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 30):
Yadda yadda

Don't really matter as long as the backers continue to stand behind the airline, which they recently refilled the coffers.

Anyhow a IPO could be on the cards for 2013. After two successful rounds of pushing private stock into public hands at Spirit this year, looks like the market has some appetite for new airline share issues. Details were in the March 5th edition of WSJ. Over $500mil could likely be brought in via a partial IPO.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 31):
Don't really matter as long as the backers continue to stand behind the airline, which they recently refilled the coffers.

Anyhow a IPO could be on the cards for 2013. After two successful rounds of pushing private stock into public hands at Spirit this year, looks like the market has some appetite for new airline share issues. Details were in the March 5th edition of WSJ. Over $500mil could likely be brought in via a partial IPO.

It makes no difference to me personally, but I'd question the wisdom of buying shares in a company that needs to have it's coffered regularly refilled. I've been almost burned by investing in a similar situation - luckily I was able to get out with my investment doubled, but the company was gone within a year. Silly tech bubble.  

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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:11 am

Working inflight for VX, I am always surprised by some of the negativity on here directed at our company. I find it a little shocking that airline junkies would wish for the demise of VX, instead of supporting us as we grow. We work really hard to create a company that our guests love and I think we have been very successful at that. We have created over 2,000 new jobs and have set the bar higher for other airlines. I would hate to lose my job, and I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone. I want to see all the airlines in our industry continue to get stronger and become as great as they used to be. I don't understand why there is an underlying current of people on here who want us to fail  

I think PDX is an exciting market for us. I do wish we had a 2nd daily frequency out of SFO, but I'm sure that will happen once we establish ourselves. There have been a large number of guests on my flights who have asked when we will add PDX, so I get a sense of a strong demand. All of our last few city additions have started with a "P". I wonder if the trend will continue.... lol
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:22 am

Most people are negative towards the financials as VX was shown not to produce net revenue, not that we want VX to fail, we just have a hard time seeing it going into net revenue territory. I hope that VX succeeds and continues expansion such as dotting IAH, MSP, DTW, and ATL in order to challenge some monopolies. I have yet to fly VX but hope to someday if I travel to the Bay.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:50 am

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 33):
Working inflight for VX, I am always surprised by some of the negativity on here directed at our company. I find it a little shocking that airline junkies would wish for the demise of VX, instead of supporting us as we grow.

Reading this thread, I'd say most people seem pretty excited for VX. Are you referring to other threads? If it's the financial side of it, don't expect the gloves to stay on for VX when every other carrier has to take it across the chin for losing money or doing stupid things. That's just the way it is.

If you ask me, I'd say the vast majority of posters are neutral to very pro-Virgin America. Don't expect everyone to be, though.

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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:15 pm

VX product is really the best out there for both domestic coach or domestic first class. Its kind of hard not to like them coming to your city as a normal flyer.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:22 pm

I'll be interested to see the non-intro fares out of PDX. PDX-California routes are already pretty affordable, for the most part, especially if one is willing to connect.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 37):

I'll be interested to see the non-intro fares out of PDX. PDX-California routes are already pretty affordable, for the most part, especially if one is willing to connect.

Actually I disagree for the most part. I fly PDX-Bay Area once or twice a month and it is $75-$100 more than Seattle, on the average. Anecdotally, and from personal experience with family and friends, the cost of flying from California to PDX has kept some tourist traffic away.

It will be good to see them here. It's long overdue. I wonder which gates they will use? Would be a slap in AS face if they took over one of the B gates (since that is between mainline and Horizon).   
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 38):
It will be good to see them here. It's long overdue. I wonder which gates they will use? Would be a slap in AS face if they took over one of the B gates

I think that's a great idea. They can watch plane after plane after plane on AS/QX depart for LAX and SFO while they sit there and wait for the one or two daily flights to said cities on VX. Their SFO schedule is absolutely ridiculous. What businessperson in PDX would want to depart at 12:35pm for SFO or have to return at 1:30pm? As least their PDX-LAX schedule makes sense...morning and late afternoon/evening departures.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 31):
Anyhow a IPO could be on the cards for 2013. After two successful rounds of pushing private stock into public hands at Spirit this year, looks like the market has some appetite for new airline share issues.

But NK is making money hand over fist. Why would anyone want VX shares?
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:28 pm

The Port might put them at D6-D8? Since NW left those gates. They been empty. The seats are even gone. The old Continental ticket counter is avaliable now. There are other open counter space all over the lobby. They might use the Cute space where Hawaiian and Spirit are now also.

The Port does need to do something with the B concourse. It's the only concourse that looks dated. It's small and dark. I don't know if Alaska leases these gates or if they are pay as you use them? An Airline such as Virgin could lease these gates and spruce up the gate area to match their theme.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 35):
Reading this thread, I'd say most people seem pretty excited for VX. Are you referring to other threads?

VXCabinCrew didn't implicate everybody in the thread, but there certainly are some snarky/nasty comments in this thread.


"I am pretty sure that is VX's goal period. Burning money is what they are good at."

"Amen to that."
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 33):

Don't worry about it! Some people just can't live with the fact that a new airline has the balls to step into a competitive market and show the well estabished carriers a thing or two about service and product. I liked VX everytime i flew them, and over here I'm used to free meals and other things that are almost unheard of in US domestic airtravel. I for one will keep VX as my first choice of travel when in Cali, especially when nightstopping at LAX or SFO.

Keep it up, good luck!
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:17 pm

Thanks for your support, guys!! It's always great to receive positive feedback. And like twinotter said, I am not saying everyone on here is bitter towards us. But there are a few who consistently pop up who make it a point to be sarcastic and snarky and negative about us. And I don't know why someone enjoys being angry. We should all support each other. It's still a tough economy. We work so hard at VX (hardest working inflight crew with the on-demand ordering!) and it's disheartening when the bullies show up on here.

In regards to the lack of frequency out of SFO, I think we will add frequency either once the summer season slows down or when we see what kind of demand we pull in the PDX market. It's a little hard to pull aircraft when we have proven moneymakers like JFK, IAD, BOS (where we just added flights). And ORD and DFW are really picking up. It seems we're testing the waters for PDX and will add where we deem necessary.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 44):
We work so hard at VX (hardest working inflight crew with the on-demand ordering!)

I've heard that you folks work really hard with the 'on-demand' ordering from their seatback. Nice for the customer but maybe not so nice for the crew as they never catch a moment to rest.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 23):
To what end, though? What does "scaring" AS do, exactly? It's not like AS is going to abandon the route.

So is the goal to see VX lose money getting into a fare war with AS and ultimately pull out of the market?

"Scare" is a poor choice of words on my part. I was just making the point that 1x daily doesn't greatly affect the competitive situation and as a result, AS is unlikely to respond with a huge fare sale like it did on SEA-SFO/LAX when VX first started those routes with multiple daily flights.

On a cents/mile basis, relatively short West Coast routes look pretty good compared to some of the yields on midcons and transcons. Current PDX-SFO-PDX prices for some random upcoming dates are north of $200 all in for an 1100 mile roundtrip. Not a bad yield at all.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 46):
Current PDX-SFO-PDX prices for some random upcoming dates are north of $200 all in for an 1100 mile roundtrip. Not a bad yield at all.

No wonder they're opening PDX if fares are that high! Heck, they're high everywhere! If you don't catch a sale you pay up the nose these days no matter where you want to go.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 38):
It will be good to see them here. It's long overdue. I wonder which gates they will use? Would be a slap in AS face if they took over one of the B gates (since that is between mainline and Horizon)

More likely it will be a high C gate, possibly the horseshoe side of D.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 47):
No wonder they're opening PDX if fares are that high! Heck, they're high everywhere!

200 or even 250 for Cali and back isn't a bad fare at all - especially seeing fares on the East Coast of comparable distances. But I couldn't tell if you were being snarky  
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Portland

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 8):
Good deal. America's best airline opens for business in a new city.

Yet another reason to avoid Alaska/Horizon when headed to NW and give VX more business when possible.

So, why fly PHL-SFO more frequently than PDX-SFO??? Doesn't make much sense to me.

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