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CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:32 pm

After seeing photos of a CM frame with the Star Alliance logo at GRU taken today (14/03/2012), I realised that everybody is quiet about Copa and AviancaTaca joining the alliance. Is everything confirmed for both airlines next month?

http://forum.contatoradar.com.br/ind...hp/topic/86025-furo-copa-airlines/
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:58 pm

While I checked their website to confirm converting over to MileagePlus, I saw they modified the font of their logo to somewhat match UA.
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:06 pm

Are you sure about about Avianca Taca??? if it's the case we will see TAM leaving the alliance very soon.....
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting neo777 (Reply 2):
Are you sure about about Avianca Taca??? if it's the case we will see TAM leaving the alliance very soon.....

That's what has been rumoured for a long time now, yes.

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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:39 pm

In the original press release from November 2010, Star Alliance stated both CM and AV would join the global alliance by mid 2012:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/cmavta-prp/

However, one year later, in November 2011, during the ALTA conference in Rio de Janeiro, the CEO of CM, Pedro Heilbronn, stated CM and AV would join in April 2012, a bit faster than originally planned. I can only imagine Heilbronn must have carefully coordinated with AV before making a public announcement.

A separate issue from joining the alliance is homogenizing AV's brand with TA's brand and the integration of their operations and systems. One would assume AV would publicly reveal its joint branding program in tandem with its ascension to Star Alliance.

Perhaps some insiders from Bogota can inform the rest of us what AV's plans are.
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 4):
However, one year later, in November 2011, during the ALTA conference in Rio de Janeiro, the CEO of CM, Pedro Heilbronn, stated CM and AV would join in April 2012, a bit faster than originally planned. I can only imagine Heilbronn must have carefully coordinated with AV before making a public announcement.

Mr Heilbron might have coordinated with AV to say that then, but since then things could have changed @ AV headquarters in BOG.
Has anyone seen any AV/TA aircraft with the Star Alliance logo yet?
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Has anyone seen any AV/TA aircraft with the Star Alliance logo yet?

That is my question, no aircraft has been painted in Star Alliance colors yet but when is the first aircraft to be painted and which aircraft? I presume a A320 or A319? I don't think they will paint any aircraft if not everything is in place yet(?)

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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
That is my question, no aircraft has been painted in Star Alliance colors yet but when is the first aircraft to be painted and which aircraft? I presume a A320 or A319? I don't think they will paint any aircraft if not everything is in place yet(?)

Most (if not all) of the airlines joining * have waited till joining to paint aircraft.
It is not a requirement to have the planes painted day 1 in the alliance.

CO used the 1st *A painted plane as the backdrop during the joining ceremony. That plane was painted just prior to entry date (yes, they were unique but still a use case).
We are talking about a 14-ish days to paint a widebody or 5-7 days for a narrowbody. They can get that done pretty quickly, the planes don't need to be flying around in *A livery prior to entry date.
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):

Is there a possibility of AV-TA being last minute "rejected" from *A in order to let LA in?

Lobbyists must be spiting fire on each other lol  
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 8):
Is there a possibility of AV-TA being last minute "rejected" from *A in order to let LA in?

Why would LAN join Star?

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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 9):

cause OW is bleeding and becoming increasingly unreliable?
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 10):
cause OW is bleeding and becoming increasingly unreliable?

Do you have a source on this claim? Where is the information about OW bleeding and becoming increasingly unreliable?

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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:38 pm

First Star Alliance Copa 738 w/new logotype


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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 12):
First Star Alliance Copa 738 w/new logotype

Where is AV/TA 1st aircraft with the Star Alliance livery?
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 12):
First Star Alliance Copa 738 w/new logotype

Ha! And there you have it! That was fast.
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 10):
cause OW is bleeding and becoming increasingly unreliable?

Do you have a source on this claim? Where is the information about OW bleeding and becoming increasingly unreliable?

Just common arguments these days. While it is true that OW is not in the best shape, neither are any of the two other alliances.
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 10):

Lol, you are funny!!! Will SQ join Skyteam because LH, SK, OS, TK, TG and SA all made a loss last year???

You are old enough to remember when most of Star's US carriers spent most of the Naughties in Ch.11?
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting Reply 16):

IIRC LH made a profit last year as an entire group, so that could consider OS too.

Regarding all of the Star Alliance's North American carriers being bankrupt well, that was just chapter 11. Your argument is kind of invalid since none of the airlines ceased operations, compared to MX, MA, IT (process of joining), and AA being bankrupt.
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):
Where is AV/TA 1st aircraft with the Star Alliance livery?

Toulouse?
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 18):

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):
Where is AV/TA 1st aircraft with the Star Alliance livery?

Toulouse?

It's a Boeing...
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 19):
It's a Boeing...

The only Boeing on order are B787 and those will still not be delivered for some time.
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting bogota (Reply 20):

Quoting LOWS (Reply 19):
It's a Boeing...

The only Boeing on order are B787 and those will still not be delivered for some time.

Sorry, I got Copa and TA-AV mixed up.
 
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:15 am

No Aircraft painted in Star Alliance or with the logo anywhere for Avianca yet, or not in the ones I've seen lately (many A318s, A319s, A320s, A330s and F-50 but not the whole fleet)
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 10):
cause OW is bleeding and becoming increasingly unreliable?

oneworld is the prominent alliance in Latin America. Between AA, IB, and LA, they cover mostly every country, save for The former Guianas. Of all those carriers, only AA is in chapter 11, and that does not equate to the alliance bleeding, and being unreliable. And a pretty unfounded remark.

Once JJ merges with LA, the alliance will pretty much be the dominant player in the region. I will however say that CM, UA, and TA are also a dominant force in Mexico, and Central America.
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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting neo777 (Reply 2):
Are you sure about about Avianca Taca??? if it's the case we will see TAM leaving the alliance very soon


LAN has previously announced that they will never work in the same global alliance involved with AV-TA in the future.




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Quoting PDPsol (Reply 4):
A separate issue from joining the alliance is homogenizing AV's brand with TA's brand and the integration of their operations and systems


I don't think it would happen shortly.
TA has domestic divisions in Central America and AeroPerlas from Panama has suddenly stopped their operations.
AeroGal from Ecuador and Avianca Brasil are bigger issues in that integration process.




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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 23):
I will however say that CM, UA, and TA are also a dominant force in Mexico, and Central America.


Are you sure about Mexico?

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RE: CM And AV-TA Confirmed To Join Star Next Month?

Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 24):
Are you sure about Mexico?

UA's coverage of Mexico out of IAH, is larger than AA from DFW. Not to mention UA's flights from California down to Mexico. And with TA/CM in Central America, it's a no brainer that they're network is larger. Of course SkyTeam's coverage in Mexico is even larger with AM.
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