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Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:14 pm

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For this edition of our thread, we will take a closer look at traffic changes in KIN..

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A new home based airline has landed in KIN..Introducing our newest airline, FlyJamaica Airways...



Fly Jamaica Airways is declaring its here to stay. The fledgling carrier took delivery of its new 198-seater boeing 757 aircraft on Saturday.. Fly Jamaica is to operate between Kingston, Georgetown,Toronto and New York in the coming weeks. The company's chief investor and CEO, Captain Paul Reece, was upbeat about the prospects for Fly Jamaica based on the airline's model. Captain Reece also disclosed that another Boeing 757 aircraft will be added over the next 12 months..
Fly Jamaica is hoping to attract patronage mainly from home, the Jamaican diaspora and is aiming to take a slice of the tourist market. The airline's in-flight services manager wants to restore the perks and amenities travellers have been missing.

Media clip available from 3:11..http://news.cvmtv.com/index.php?news=watch#



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Westjet Airlines, announced a new 3 weekly service linking YYZ and KIN eff Apr 30..The service will operate on MON, Fri and Sun, also provides onward connections to Calgary,Edmonton,Halifax,Montreal,Ottawa,Vancouver and Winnipeg..


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Jetblue's new double daily E190 service starts on Apr 30 linking KIN-FLL..For the peak summer it is expected a double A320 service will service the route..

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British Airways to increase KIN to 3 weekly eff Mar 26...Flights will op Mon, Wed and Thur..From all indications, BA will have a monopoly on the KIN-LGW route for the summer..


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American Airlines will increase their MIA-KIN flights to 4 daily..The new service will operate between Apr 4 and Aug 20...

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Major cuts to their Jamaican operation;
KIN-MIA was cancelled after two months of service..
FLL-KIN has been reduced to 2 daily from 3..Flight times have changed to allow an earlier departure from FLL to compete with B6's new service..
KIN-MBJ-PHL has been reduced to 4 weekly..Previous service operated daily..
More than 150 Customer Service Agents will be outsourced..

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Redjet has suspended services..The operated a 2 weekly service between KIN and BGI and POS and KIN..


More Updates can be found in the old thread..

Blue Tales A Jammin..Jamaican Thread # 42.. (by hummingbird Dec 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
For this edition of our thread, we will take a closer look at traffic changes in KIN..

Great theme/title for thread 43. Somewhat different from the usual format.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Westjet Airlines, announced a new 3 weekly service linking YYZ and KIN eff Apr 30.
Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Jetblue's new double daily E190 service starts on Apr 30 linking KIN-FLL.

Two new links to KIN on the same day. Not bad. Now a B6 FLL-MBJ service with their E-190 would be the icing on the cake.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
British Airways to increase KIN to 3 weekly eff Mar 26...Flights will op Mon, Wed and Thur..From all indications, BA will have a monopoly on the KIN-LGW route for the summer..

Good that BA's 772 will be making the KIN rounds 3x weekly. I am certain they will enjoy that monopoly.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
American Airlines will increase their MIA-KIN flights to 4 daily..The new service will operate between Apr 4 and Aug 20...
Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Major cuts to their Jamaican operation;
KIN-MIA was cancelled after two months of service..

No one dare test AA on the MIA-KIN sector.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Redjet has suspended services..The operated a 2 weekly service between KIN and BGI and POS and KIN..

One thing is certain, they did impact fares on the routes they served when they were around.
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Great theme/title for thread 43. Somewhat different from the usual format.

As usual, we have to showcase the strength of the KIN market..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Two new links to KIN on the same day. Not bad. Now a B6 FLL-MBJ service with their E-190 would be the icing on the cake.

Also for the month of Easter, they will operate double dailies to KIN from JFK..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Good that BA's 772 will be making the KIN rounds 3x weekly. I am certain they will enjoy that monopoly.

I heard their advance bookings are strong for the Olympic Traffic..

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I love the title of this story, "The new piece of Jamaica that flies"..As previously mentioned, I hope they will have a revised livery that projects the strength of "Brand Jamaica"..Its apparent more and more carriers are attracted to KIN based on the demise of the old JM...

Quote:
FlyJamaica's principals are Guyanese, but the company is majority owned and controlled by Jamaicans, and the carrier is expected to commence service as early as April.

"We are in the document evaluation stages, the flight crew and cabin crew are completing their training, and the next stage will include a demonstration flight by the carrier, a standard procedure for all new start up carriers," JCAA's director of flight operations, Nari William-Singh, told The Gleaner.

Revealing that the airline's application was far advanced, having completed Best Practices, William-Singh said all that is outstanding needs to be completed before the JCAA can issue an air operator certificate.

There is also a process that FlyJamaica needs to complete with the FAA, before they can begin operation. However, William-Singh did not go into details, except to say that the two entities worked closely in this process.

The Gleaner understands that captain Lloyd Tai, former senior captain of Air Jamaica, has been retained as a consultant during the certification stages, while Christene Steele, also of the former national carrier, has been named to the team.

FlyJamaica will operate between Kingston and Georgetown, Guyana, New York's JFK and Toronto, Canada, when it does commence operation, and is being viewed by many in the industry as another airline aimed at filling the void left from the demise of Air Jamaica.

The airline is expected to give Caribbean Airlines (CAL) competition on the Jamaican and Guyanese route.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120321/news/news3.html
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
British Airways to increase KIN to 3 weekly eff Mar 26...Flights will op Mon, Wed and Thur..From all indications, BA will have a monopoly on the KIN-LGW route for the summer..

Interesting that the new BA sched will be Mon, Wed, Thur. Before they dropped to 2x weekly (Mon, Fri) they had a Mon, Wed, Fri operation. Would've thought they'd simply revert to that with the return to 3x weekly service.
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
I love the title of this story, "The new piece of Jamaica that flies"..As previously mentioned, I hope they will have a revised livery that projects the strength of "Brand Jamaica"..Its apparent more and more carriers are attracted to KIN based on the demise of the old JM...

Very interesting. I hope they succeed and I hope the travelling public benefits. The concensus is that private Guyanese investment is destined to fail. Maybe this joint Guyanese and Jamaican venture will prove everyone wrong. If they can get Guyana out of Cat 2 status, and fly some nonstop GEO-JFK and GEO-YYZ routes they may acquire a larger following.

The recipe for GEO is daily reliable nonstop with smaller a/c as the loads are not that large. If the 738 or 737 can make it with good serivce and reliability, on time, and good baggage allowances, that airline will get the market.

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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 4):
Very interesting. I hope they succeed and I hope the travelling public benefits. The concensus is that private Guyanese investment is destined to fail. Maybe this joint Guyanese and Jamaican venture will prove everyone wrong. If they can get Guyana out of Cat 2 status, and fly some nonstop GEO-JFK and GEO-YYZ routes they may acquire a larger following.

I have no doubt they will do well in KIN..These are ex JM staff who are well knowledgable about "brand loyalty"...I know for a fact these individuals will use the strengths of ex JM to grow this new carrier...

I hope their future plans include operating flights out of MBJ..
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:31 am

DOT Stats Aug 2011..


BW

FLL-KIN
14322-12793 89%

KIN-FLL
14322-13858 97%

FLL-MBJ
4774-4050 85%

MBJ-FLL
4774-4682 98%

JFK-KIN
17261-14206 82%

KIN-JFK
17023-13131 77%

JFK-MBJ
4466--44034 90%

MBJ-JFK
4466-4450 99%

PHL-MBJ
4620-3121 68%

MBJ-PHL
4620-4370 95%

AA

DFW-MBJ
3828-3032 79%

MBJ-DFW
3988-3887 98%

MIA-KIN
15068-13043 87%

KIN-MIA
14908-14466 97%

MIA-MBJ
14610-12804 88%

MBJ-MIA
14582-14280 98%

ORD-MBJ
888-644 73%

MBJ-ORD
888-852 96%

B6
JFK-KIN
4350-3922 90%

KIN-JFK
4350-4212 97%

JFK-MBJ
6600-5991 91%

MBJ-JFK
6750-6556 97%

MCO-MBJ
4800-3649 76%

MBJ-MCO
4650-4547

FL

ATL-MBJ
4384-3803 87%

MBJ-ATL
4247-4073 96%

BWI-MBJ
5069-4765 94%

MBJ-BWI
4932-4842 98%

MCO-MBJ
4110-3322 81%

MBJ-MCO
4110-4049 99%

DL

ATL-MBJ
16388-13738 84%

MBJ-ATL
16391-16169 99%

JFK-MBJ
616-580 94%

MBJ-JFK
456-452 99%

US

CLT-MBJ
13754-12408 90%

MBJ-CLT
13754-13554 98%

PHL-MBJ
5688--5209 92%

MBJ-PHL
5362-5145 96%

CO

EWR-MBJ
4700-4376 93%

MBJ-EWR
4232-4151 98%

IAH-MBJ
2439-1820 75%

MBJ-IAH
2907-2832 97%

GL MIAMI AIR (BW flights)

FLL-KIN
2002-1717 86%

KIN-FLL
2002-1933 97%

NK

FLL-KIN
1962-1558 79%

KIN-FLL
1962-1881 96%

FLL-MBJ
4756-3814 81%

MBJ-FLL
4756-4541 95%

U5

ORD-MBJ
1176-893 76%

MBJ-ORD
1176-1104 94%

STL-MBJ
840-468 56%

MBJ-STL
840-727 87%

SY (BW flights)

FLL-MBJ
5022-3796 76%

MBJ-FLL
5022-4828 96%

PHL-MBJ
4860-2710 56%

MBJ-PHL
4860-4187 86%

NA (BW (flights)

JFK-KIN
10348-9335 90%

KIN-JFK
10212-9949 97%

[Edited 2012-03-22 18:33:10]
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):
DOT Stats Aug 2011..

Wow, very robust performances recorded by all the carriers. Seems it was a stellar month for everyone!
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:13 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
Also for the month of Easter, they will operate double dailies to KIN from JFK..

Is this the first time B6 is operating the second JFK-KIN flight during the Easter period ? Usually it operates during the Summer and/or Winter as far as I can remember.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):


B6
JFK-KIN
4350-3922 90%

KIN-JFK
4350-4212 97%

JFK-MBJ
6600-5991 91%

MBJ-JFK
6750-6556 97%


B6 standing out as usual. As I said in a previous post, it is imperative to remember that they charge for the second luggage.
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 7):
Wow, very robust performances recorded by all the carriers. Seems it was a stellar month for everyone!

I agree..I expect stronger loads for this summer based on the fact it is our 50th Independence Celebration..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
Is this the first time B6 is operating the second JFK-KIN flight during the Easter period ? Usually it operates during the Summer and/or Winter as far as I can remember.

Its a first for B6 to operate 2 daily JFK-KIN during the Easter....I expect once loads and yields improve, we may see daily year round double daily service..

Also, the JTB has been in discussion with B6 to increase services from JFK-MBJ.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
B6 standing out as usual. As I said in a previous post, it is imperative to remember that they charge for the second luggage.

I agree..

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Its looks like BW has been granted approval to operate KIN-MBJ-KIN shuttle flights...Training for ATRs should commence shortly...
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 9):

Oh so at least one ATR wil be based in KIN after all.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 9):
Its looks like BW has been granted approval to operate KIN-MBJ-KIN shuttle flights...Training for ATRs should commence shortly...
Quoting guyanam (Reply 10):
Its looks like BW has been granted approval to operate KIN-MBJ-KIN shuttle flights...Training for ATRs should commence shortly...

Yeah and REDjet was announcing new destinations up to a few days before they stopped flying. I know BW has the GORTT to back them up but BW has a good thing going and a great opportunity with the acquisition of Air Jamaica. It will be totally up to them to mess this up.

I keep saying they need to be careful chasing the competition and losing themselves in the process.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 10):
Oh so at least one ATR wil be based in KIN after all.

At least for now, but I can tell you the local operators are giving them a warm time in regards to operating new routes with their ATRs..

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 11):
Yeah and REDjet was announcing new destinations up to a few days before they stopped flying. I know BW has the GORTT to back them up but BW has a good thing going and a great opportunity with the acquisition of Air Jamaica. It will be totally up to them to mess this up.

I keep saying they need to be careful chasing the competition and losing themselves in the process.

At the end of the day, none of this should be a surprise..If one thing should be clear, myself and other Jamaicans are happy to see the steady increase in new traffic into KIN...
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 11):
Yeah and REDjet was announcing new destinations up to a few days before they stopped flying. I know BW has the GORTT to back them up but BW has a good thing going and a great opportunity with the acquisition of Air Jamaica. It will be totally up to them to mess this up.

I keep saying they need to be careful chasing the competition and losing themselves in the process.

Here are two interesting articles re the state of Caribbean aviation today..............



'' Therefore, the introduction of a low-cost airline, REDjet, into the Caribbean last year was a welcome relief for Caribbean travellers who took to the airline like a duck to water, and cocked a snook at both LIAT and CAL because they were so delighted to travel at lower prices.

The travellers' vote for REDjet by using its services rather than CAL's or LIAT's was directed particularly at CAL because they know that CAL flies on a huge fuel subsidy from the Trinidad and Tobago Government, paying less than half the price for a gallon of fuel than is paid by LIAT, and indeed, was paid by REDjet.

In the view of most travellers — but especially those from Trinidad and Tobago — if taxpayers' money is being used to subsidise the cost of CAL's fights, the subsidy should be reflected in a lower cost of airfares. It was particularly galling for passengers to pay CAL's high fares when its chairman announced huge profits (on the basis of the fuel subsidy).

As it turns out, CAL's profits are a mirage. Once the fuel subsidy is subtracted from the declared profits, CAL is just another losing airline. The news that emerged that it has also not paid in recent months for the fuel it gets at a reduced price from the state-owned company, National Petroleum, shows that even with subsidised fuel, its operations are not efficient enough to pay its way. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...-for-Caribbean-travellers_11100983



'' This quite dramatic financial crisis development for Redjet has ignited new talk about subsidy for and ownership of regional airlines, but with no official stirrings of significance, as yet, in two of the major centres of Caricom -- Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica -- which are both still preoccupied with making a success of their merger of Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica.

To hear Redjet's senior personnel seeking to justify the sudden shutdown of operations after a very recent boastful official claim (though unsubstantiated), that the airline had "an excellent" financial year in 2011, is to rub salt in the wounds of stranded Caricom nationals currently being rescued by regional airline LIAT. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...ew-subsidy-ownership-talk_11101090


So we are basically back at square one it would seem. Very very interesting days are ahead.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 12):
At the end of the day, none of this should be a surprise..If one thing should be clear, myself and other Jamaicans are happy to see the steady increase in new traffic into KIN...

As many ( including myself ) have stated over and over again in past threads, the KIN market was never going to be a walk in the park, and this will only get even more competitive with several carriers beefing up are inaugurating services to the capital city airport. At the end of the day the travellers will welcome the various travel options available to them.
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
'' Therefore, the introduction of a low-cost airline, REDjet, into the Caribbean last year was a welcome relief for Caribbean travellers who took to the airline like a duck to water, and cocked a snook at both LIAT and CAL because they were so delighted to travel at lower prices.

I heard, there will be an update by Friday..Looks like they will return to the skies but with a leaner structure...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
' This quite dramatic financial crisis development for Redjet has ignited new talk about subsidy for and ownership of regional airlines,

Am surprised they are embroiled in this dispute with the GOB regarding subsidies..If memory serves me right, this was the same Govt who claimed they were an investor in the carrier...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
As many ( including myself ) have stated over and over again in past threads, the KIN market was never going to be a walk in the park, and this will only get even more competitive with several carriers beefing up are inaugurating services to the capital city airport. At the end of the day the travellers will welcome the various travel options available to them.

I heard Fly-Jam, is looking to inaugurate services during the Easter Travel Period..
There was a story on FB about this venture..The majority of comments showed great enthusiasm for this new product..
I hope they will manage their structure well to facilitate expansions....
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:54 pm

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I hope they will manage their structure well to facilitate expansions....

Expansion? The need to survive first.

My humble suggestion to them is to establish themselves as THE "ethnic" carrier on a route, whatever that is, then use that as a beachhead for slow expansion.
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):

"Ethnic"?? What does that mean? Either way I think FJ will be carrying mostly VFR's and they should probably market and cater to that crowd. That said, as far as I know that is what most of the startup charters do.

For the Guyanese they want reliability (fly when they are supposed to), and everyone wants value. A one a/c charter/airline is destined to be in trouble when the a/c gives problems.

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Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 16):

Rest assured that Guyanese arent flying FlyJ except for the few score a week who travel to KIN. Maybe a few to YYZ. JFK has three carriers....all offering nonstops...even BW. I find it hard not to think that JFK GEO isnt over served at present.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 17):

Yeah that one stop is probably a deterrent. I am sure that the 3 nonstop flights are more than enough. During the summer months a fourth flight may get some market share, however, with both BW and EZjet using 762's and DL's 763 there may be enough seats.

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:10 pm

This past weekend, BA operated their last flight between MBJ and LGW..A video was posted on YouTube that captured the final departure from rwy07..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzy1ciTK3-o

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
My humble suggestion to them is to establish themselves as THE "ethnic" carrier on a route, whatever that is, then use that as a beachhead for slow expansion.

Based on the current happenings in KIN, being established as a preferred ethnic carrier will be a walk in the park...

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 16):
For the Guyanese they want reliability (fly when they are supposed to), and everyone wants value. A one a/c charter/airline is destined to be in trouble when the a/c gives problems.

This is one of my biggest concerns..Reliability on one aircraft can lead to multiple delays in the event the aircraft goes tech..I hope they have a back up plan..
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
This past weekend, BA operated their last flight between MBJ and LGW..A video was posted on YouTube that captured the final departure from rwy07..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzy1c...TK3-o

I was just about to ask when will BA have their final MBJ-LGW flight. Seem a few goats went to see the B772 off as well....LOL...........Those GE90 engines sound sweet. It is a pity the APD tax, global recession, rising oil prices etc. contributed to the discontinuation once again of this historical service. The video poster suggested that hopefully they will be back someday using a B767. As far as I know those aircraft are all LHR based if I am not mistaken, so that is highly unlikely to happen. None the less, myself hope to see them back in MBJ someday.
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):

Maybe they heard of the BW 767's (lol). Do you have any idea if in it's heyday they filled the 772's? MoBay is a huge tourist destination from where, mostly Europe or the US or both?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):

I had no idea that KIN was out in the ocean like that, is the airport connected to the mainland by land fill, or is it existing land connecting it? All in all a very unusual set up.

Is it just one main runway? Not much room for expansion without some expensive landfill being done. Very nice overhead pic of KIN at the beginning.

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Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:40 am

Eff the end of Aug, CO will suspend their EWR-MBJ services until early NOV...The service will operate weekly in Nov, then will be upgraded to 4 a week in Dec..For the peak Dec period, flights will operate daily..

Their IAH-MBJ services will operate weekly until it increases to daily for the peak winter travel..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
I was just about to ask when will BA have their final MBJ-LGW flight. Seem a few goats went to see the B772 off as well....LOL...........Those GE90 engines sound sweet. It is a pity the APD tax, global recession, rising oil prices etc. contributed to the discontinuation once again of this historical service. The video poster suggested that hopefully they will be back someday using a B767. As far as I know those aircraft are all LHR based if I am not mistaken, so t

I agree, I love to hear the humming sound from those GE Engines...
I doubt BA will return to MBJ..Their B767s are based at LHR......
With the increase in services coming from VS, I have a feeling MBJ will be seing both their A330 and B787s..
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:14 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Maybe they heard of the BW 767's

Over the years BA operated various metals to both MBJ and KIN. I grew up seeing the B747's, DC10's and now the B772's. Guess the only other suitable aircraft that could be used effectively on it presently is the B767 if the situation was different. A suitably configured B787 ( when they do acquire them ) would be a perfect fit for routes like MBJ I think, but I figure other more lucrative business/VFR routes will get priority over leisure ones with that particular metal.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Do you have any idea if in it's heyday they filled the 772's?

Back in the day the B747 operated LHR-MBJ-KIN-LHR. Then LGW-MBJ-KIN-LGW. So did the DC10's from LGW. Then the B772's initially did a LGW-KIN-MBJ-KIN-LGW routing before deploying the B772 to each airport. As for loads on the B772, I have no statistical data but I read an article recently stating that the LGW-MBJ route averaged 65% since their resumption of service. Also not surprisingly, LGW-KIN attracted more high yielding passengers.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
MoBay is a huge tourist destination from where, mostly Europe or the US or both?

The USA & Canada are the largest markets for visitor arrivals to Jamaica. Arrivals from Canada has seen phenomenal growth over the last two years with flights from virtually every major city there to MBJ. Europe is in third place.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
I had no idea that KIN was out in the ocean like that, is the airport connected to the mainland by land fill, or is it existing land connecting it? All in all a very unusual set up.

The connection to the mainland is by a natural tombolo or spit to put it in geographical parlance. An unusual set up I think as well. The area that the runway is constructed on was partially dumped up to facilitate it as far as I know. If you look carefully you can also view the original runway a bit to the right of the main one. MBJ on the other hand is located on the coast.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Is it just one main runway? Not much room for expansion without some expensive landfill being done.

One runway and one parallel taxiway. They have room for additional gates and a new control tower etc. But should they decide to lengthen the runway, then yes they have no choice but to do additional dumping in the harbour.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
Eff the end of Aug, CO will suspend their EWR-MBJ services until early NOV...The service will operate weekly in Nov, then will be upgraded to 4 a week in Dec..For the peak Dec period, flights will operate daily..

Is this the first time CO is suspending EWR-MBJ for specified periods ? Guess they have to maximise earnings as much as they possibly can by operating flights/frequencies according to season/demand.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
With the increase in services coming from VS, I have a feeling MBJ will be seing both their A330 and B787s..

Wouldn't be surprised if that turns out to be the case. Still hoping for a 1x weekly MAN-MBJ from them sometime in the future as well.
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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Maybe they heard of the BW 767's (lol). Do you have any idea if in it's heyday they filled the 772's? MoBay is a huge tourist destination from where, mostly Europe or the US or both?

The flights were filled, but the APD killed the yields..BA, with it's high cost structure, could not profitably maintain the route under the current conditions..

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
I had no idea that KIN was out in the ocean like that, is the airport connected to the mainland by land fill, or is it existing land connecting it? All in all a very unusual set up.

Its connected to the mainland by a "spit"..

The strip is known as the Palisadoes Road..It is now being rehabilitated by a Chinese entity..
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...Palisadoes-Shoreline-Works_7545395

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Is it just one main runway? Not much room for expansion without some expensive landfill being done.
KIN has one main runway...According to this news report, there are plans to expand the runway by 25%..

Kingston-based Norman Manley International Airport, which is up for divestment, is also planning to extend its runway by up to 25 per cent. It awaits environmental approval.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20111111/business/business2.html

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Very nice overhead pic of KIN at the beginning.

I agree..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 23):
Is this the first time CO is suspending EWR-MBJ for specified periods ? Guess they have to maximise earnings as much as they possibly can by operating flights/frequencies according to season/demand.

I remember they pulled out in the 90s..But this is the first time they are suspending the route due to seasonal demand..

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Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:22 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 24):
The flights were filled, but the APD killed the yields..BA, with it's high cost structure, could not profitably maintain the route under the current conditions..

I decided to check the news reports on the APD and here is the latest:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...tle-against-APD-continues_11108542

It seems it is substantial an increase of about 400%!!!! What makes it worst is that the increase is only for pax to the Caribbean and not for those to the US. That seems to be discriminatory. However, it seems with the upcoming elections according to the article, there may be a change in the minds of the politicians. It all just seems stupid to me, the jobs generated would be much more important than the income, and those jobs will generate income.

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Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:13 am

Heard that FlyJamaica is part owned by the folks involved in EZjet. Is this true anyone can confirm this.
 
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 25):

The reality is the UK fears retaliation from the USA so will treat them more favorably than the Caribbean, which they view as whining ex colonials still demanding a hand out from Mummy (like still using Privy Council...but thats another topic). So they will do nothing for the APD as they care little about whether British born Cbn origin people will no longer be able to see granny...or whther UK tourists will chose Florida instead of Barbados.
 
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:22 pm

Good News for MBJ..

HAVING started flying to Montego Bay from Panama last December, Copa Airlines is looking to increase its twice weekly service by year end, according to MBJ Airports Limited, the majority owner and operator of the Sangster International Airport.
The airport operator also disclosed, in its latest monthly statistical review, that the purchase of a US-based tour operator and the lease of Grand Lido Braco by Sunwing, will lead to new weekly service from Cincinnati, Ohio and Nashiville, Tennessee in the US.
MBJ, which is focused on developing flights from the mid-west and western United States to the Montego Bay airport, said it was able to meet with new and existing airlines at the Routes Americas Conference 2012, which was held in Nassau, Bahamas February 19-21, 2012.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...r-service-from-Panama--US-to-MoBay

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...-Panama--US-to-MoBay#ixzz1qca8u7Ja
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U.S. hotel company, Choices Hotels International, has set its sights on opening a hotel in Jamaica.

The company identified Jamaica among five islands it will target in the near future for its economy and midscale Choices brand. Choices says the island is among its top targets for 2012. Regional Vice President at Choices, Bill Clegg, says the group is "very keen on re-establishing our presence in Jamaica and driving more business to an already robust tourism destination within the region."

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/choices-hotels-open-jamaica
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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 25):
However, it seems with the upcoming elections according to the article, there may be a change in the minds of the politicians.

I doubt they will change their mind..

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 26):
Heard that FlyJamaica is part owned by the folks involved in EZjet. Is this true anyone can confirm this.

Interesting to see that one guy is bent on using "Brand Image to take a lion share of the KIN and GEO market..
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):
BW

FLL-KIN
14322-12793 89%

KIN-FLL
14322-13858 97%

FLL-MBJ
4774-4050 85%

MBJ-FLL
4774-4682 98%

JFK-KIN
17261-14206 82%

KIN-JFK
17023-13131 77%

JFK-MBJ
4466--44034 90%

MBJ-JFK
4466-4450 99%

PHL-MBJ
4620-3121 68%

MBJ-PHL
4620-4370 95%

I am shocked. BW has some very good numbers.. So I guess it easily replaced JM as the dominant carrier in Jamaica.
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 29):


Wait for the Sept/Oct 2011 numbers before you jump for joy. THere was a severe seat shortage last summer.

Two issues. First B6 underserved the JFK route last sumer with just one daily flight on the JFK KIN. Second CAL had real operating problems last summer with severely damaged their credibility with many Jcans.
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This summer B6 will double its JFK capacity and will be a more formidable competitor out of FLL than is NK.
 
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Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 28):
Good News for MBJ..

HAVING started flying to Montego Bay from Panama last December, Copa Airlines is looking to increase its twice weekly service by year end, according to MBJ Airports Limited, the majority owner and operator of the Sangster International Airport.

Very impressive that CM intends to increase their PTY-MBJ services already. I assume we will now see them doing 3x or 4x weekly.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 28):
The airport operator also disclosed, in its latest monthly statistical review, that the purchase of a US-based tour operator and the lease of Grand Lido Braco by Sunwing, will lead to new weekly service from Cincinnati, Ohio and Nashiville, Tennessee in the US.

I am wondering if this will be the first time that MBJ will be getting charter flights from BNA. Great stuff.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 30):
This summer B6 will double its JFK capacity and will be a more formidable competitor out of FLL than is NK.

Agree. They will also be adding an extra JFK-KIN flight for Easter holiday period as well.


AA is promoting their additional MIA-KIN flight for the period April 4th to August 20th 2012 on their website.........


KIN-MIA.jsp?anchorLocation=HomePageHero1&reportedTitle=Kingston%20to%20Miami&reportedPosition=0&url=undefined&_locale=en_JM&repositoryName=undefined&repositoryId=undefined" target="_blank">http://www.aa.com/pubcontent/en_JM/u...e=undefined&repositoryId=undefined


They have that route locked.


RD licences have been revoked....................................


'' Trinidad and Tobago Friday announced that it had revoked the licences granted to the Barbados-based low cost carrier, REDjet that earlier this month suspended its services to various regional destinations.

In a brief statement, the Trinidad and Tobago Civil Aviation Authority (TTCAA) said it had revoked the licence of REDjet effective March 30. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120331/business/business1.html


That was expected.
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Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 30):

Wait for the Sept/Oct 2011 numbers before you jump for joy.

Nevertheless I rather comment on whats happening and it seems as though BW is doing quite well in Jamaica. And even I thought that was going to be impossible. IT would seem as though people are sufficiently content with their service. We all know that American Airlines is not a fantastic airline, and if you don´t need to be in their route network, you would not go out of your way to fly them.

What I would like to know is, are the BW passengers mostly local or tourists..?
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Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:30 pm

DOT Stats Sept 2011


BW

FLL-KIN
13244-9168 69%

KIN-FLL
13244-8257 62%

JFK-KIN
10679-6683 63%

KIN-JFK
10936-7277 66%

FLL-MBJ
4620-2791 60%

MBJ-FLL
4466-2591 58%

JFK-MBJ
4620-3100 67%

MBJ-JFK
4620-3748 65%

MCO-KIN
770-550 71%

KIN-MCO
770-528 68%

PHL-MBJ
4466-1960 44%

MBJ-PHL
4620-2115 46%

AA

DFW-MBJ
1920-1496 78%

MBJ-DFW
1920-1636 85%

MIA-KIN
14240-11212 79%

KIN-MIA
14240-10649 75%

MIA-MBJ
11474-9725 85%

MBJ-MIA
11314-9668 85%

DL

ATL-MBJ
9484-8813 93%

MBJ-ATL
9484-8682 92%

US

CLT-MBJ
9288-8281 89%

MBJ-CLT
9288-8537 92%

PHL-MBJ
1703-1386 81%

MBJ-PHL
1703-1629 95%

CO

EWR-MBJ
640-613 95%

MBJ-EWR
640-607 95%

IAH-MBJ
640-559 87%

MBJ-IAH
640-556 87%

FL

ATL-MBJ
3699-3274 88%

MBJ-ATL
3699-3209 86%

BWI-MBJ
3014-2343 77%

MBJ-BWI
3014-2448 81%

MCO-MBJ
2192-1264 58%

MBJ-MCO
2192-1576 72%

B6

JFK-KIN
4500-3848 86%

KIN-JFK
4500-3980 88%

JFK-MBJ
4800-4211 88%

MBJ-JFK
4800-4110 86%

MCO-MBJ
4500-3095 69%


SY (BW)

FLL-MBJ
4698-2699 57%

MBJ-FLL
4536-2307 51%

PHL-MBJ
4698-1953 41%

MBJ-PHL
4860-2274 47%

NA (BW)

JFK-KIN
1235-937 76%

KIN-JFK
1434-1364 95%

NK

FLL-KIN
1451-1178 81%

KIN-FLL
1451-1192 82%

FLL-MBJ
2238-1336 60%

MBJ-FLL
2060-1405 68%

U5

ORD-MBJ
672-358 53%

MBJ-ORD
672-371 55%

Quoting guyanam (Reply 30):
Wait for the Sept/Oct 2011 numbers before you jump for joy. THere was a severe seat shortage last summer.

     

Quoting guyanam (Reply 30):
This summer B6 will double its JFK capacity and will be a more formidable competitor out of FLL than is NK.

     

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 31):
Very impressive that CM intends to increase their PTY-MBJ services already. I assume we will now see them doing 3x or 4x weekly.

Quite impressive..I was expecting an increase within a year, but this is an indication that CM's new service has stimulated traffic from Latin America to MBJ..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 31):
I am wondering if this will be the first time that MBJ will be getting charter flights from BNA. Great stuff.

AFAIk, this could be the first service from BNA...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 31):
AA is promoting their additional MIA-KIN flight for the period April 4th to August 20th 2012 on their website.........

KIN-MIA.jsp?anchorLocation=HomePageHero1&reportedTitle=Kingston%20to%20Miami&reportedPosition=0&url=undefined&_locale=en_JM&repositoryName=undefined&repositoryId=undefined" target="_blank">http://www.aa.com/pubcontent/en_JM/u...e=undefined&repositoryId=undefined


They have that route locked.

Nice to see AA advertising the non VFR activities in KIN...Despite the negative image, its nice to see carrier taking an interest in growing the market..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 31):
'' Trinidad and Tobago Friday announced that it had revoked the licences granted to the Barbados-based low cost carrier, REDjet that earlier this month suspended its services to various regional destinations.

In a brief statement, the Trinidad and Tobago Civil Aviation Authority (TTCAA) said it had revoked the licence of REDjet effective March 30. ''

No big surprise...
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Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 25):

It seems it is substantial an increase of about 400%!!!! What makes it worst is that the increase is only for pax to the Caribbean and not for those to the US. That seems to be discriminatory. However, it seems with the upcoming elections according to the article, there may be a change in the minds of the politicians. It all just seems stupid to me, the jobs generated would be much more important than the income, and those jobs will generate income.

The UK APD is based on bands worked on the distances of the nations' capitals from London in miles. Band A covers countries with capitals within 2000 miles - hence the entire EU / EEA and other European countries and North Africa fall into this. Band B includes those with 2001 - 4000 mile distances, Band C 4001 - 6000 miles and Band D everything else. The only large nation split across bands is the Russian Federation, with its European portion within Band A and the Asian part in Band B. Economy class attracts a reduced rate relative to premium classes. The thing is that with increasing distances from the UK the band tax rates increase steeply, in fact almost exponentially. For instance, to fly economy within from the UK to say Spain or France would attract APD of about £12 but this rises to £65 for a Band B nation, £75 for Band C and £85 for Band D. The APD was initially touted as a "green tax" to discourage long-haul air travel but it is now largely viewed as "just" a tax.

The USA and Canada lie in Band B as Washington DC and Ottawa lie within the 4000 mile band. The USA is not split between bands so that Hawaii, despite its considerable distance from the UK, remains in Band B. The Caribbean, apart from Bermuda, lies in Band C. As mentioned earlier, the UK would not dare upset the "special relationship" with the US by unduly shifting things within the arrangements. The Caribbean is a different case - being relatively small and with little real influence anywhere. Sad to say, the Governments should just forget about lobbying the UK Government - they will achieve nothing and just waste taxpayers' money doing so. The UK has serious financial problems and many burning issues at home so pandering to distant small islands is not a priority. All told it is a big pity though as the region's tourism is being badly hit.

About that video, it is very poignant. It is a shame that BA have ended the MBJ route but they will be looking after their bottom line after all. Thus we are discussing APD while watching a victim of it.

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Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 34):

Thanks, that makes it much clearer. It seems strange that they would treat the US and Canada as single countries, while dividing the Russian Federatioin. If the initial purpose was to reduce long distance travel then this single country determination just makes it a farce, but as you said now it's just a tax.

BTW I was looking at some old threads and bounced up with your trip report to Guyana. Nicely done, sorry you didn't have pix, but as you said it was last minute.

A few of you guys stuck it out and got this thread going!!

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Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:09 pm

http://www.cayman27.com.ky/2012/03/3...-hits-jet-bridge-aircraft-grounded

This report that a Cayman Airways 737 hit a jetway in MoBay.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireSto...dos-pulls-redjets-license-16044891

This story says that GoB pulled RD's license. Not sure that it is accurate.

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Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 33):
DOT Stats Sept 2011

Very interesting stats for the month of September. I took note of the contrasting figures between some of the carriers for what is supposed to be a slow travel month. Once again B6 is among those standing out for that period as expected.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 33):
Quite impressive..I was expecting an increase within a year, but this is an indication that CM's new service has stimulated traffic from Latin America to MBJ..

I am sure those visiting MBJ much prefer the PTY connection than a MIA one, especially considering some would not be in possession of a US Visa. Hopefully this upward trend will continue.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 34):
The APD was initially touted as a "green tax" to discourage long-haul air travel but it is now largely viewed as "just" a tax.

With the initial objective of the APD, I wonder how else would they expect people to conveniently get from point A to point B if that distance just happen to be a considerable one ? Should they swim ? Anyway I also agree that regional officials should channel their energy ( and the tax payers $$$ ) elsewhere as there is no point going around in circles trying to change the obvious.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 36):
This report that a Cayman Airways 737 hit a jetway in MoBay.

The person ( s ) responsible for properly positioning the jet bridge will have some explaining to do. Luckily nothing worst happened.
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting trintocan (Reply 34):

My apologies I meant the Caribbean thread.

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:53 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 36):
This report that a Cayman Airways 737 hit a jetway in MoBay.

Yes, according to a reliable source, the marshallers directed the plane too far forward and it hit the jetway, causing damage to the leading edge devices. I understand that the jetway was displaced from its normal position because the square marker on the tarmac was painted the night before. The aircraft remains grounded in MBJ until replacement parts arrive. Hopefully it will be completed by Wednesday. In the meantime, it is causing some delays/disruptions to KX flight schedule.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 36):
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireSto...dos-pulls-redjets-license-16044891

This story says that GoB pulled RD's license. Not sure that it is accurate.

I wonder what the future holds for their desire to open a base in KIN...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 37):
Very interesting stats for the month of September. I took note of the contrasting figures between some of the carriers for what is supposed to be a slow travel month. Once again B6 is among those standing out for that period as expected.

If you notice the US carriers have gauged their frequencies for the slower months..A perfect example is US, who reduced frequency on the PHL by using a E190 and operating 3 a week...

Am curious too see what changes will occur on the KIN-FLL route after summer 2012..

[theye=airjamaica,reply=37]I am sure those visiting MBJ much prefer the PTY connection than a MIA one, especially considering some would not be in possession of a US Visa. Hopefully this upward trend will continue.[/quote]

I would love to see a daily service in the future..

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 33):
Quite impressive..I was expecting an increase within a year, but this is an indication that CM's new service has stimulated traffic from Latin America to MBJ..

Not so fast folks.....I know the folks from CM very well and while your theory may be true, it may also be that CM have realized that loads are actually light and need extra frequencies to appeal to business travelers and shorter vacation people.

It would not be the first time that a route has struggled and by giving it extra service it starts to blossom.

For example DL has found that some routes in the region have better overall LF (even on the busy days) when you keep at least a daily service. There are many routes our region that need frequency to succeed. Ditto for CO (UA)
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 40):
I wonder what the future holds for their desire to open a base in KIN...

Don't hold your breath- they're as good as extinct!

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 42):

I beg to differ....It's not over unless the fat lady sings....
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:32 am

Didn't find anything in here when I did a search but saw this in the news:

http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/leads-113/30223
Minister McNeill and Air Transat Officials Begin Partnership Discussions

Air Transat offers 18 weekly flights to MBJ from Canada and one flight with another tour operator from CDG weekly, with these new proceedings shall we see an influx of flights to MBJ from more Canadian or European destinations?
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 40):
If you notice the US carriers have gauged their frequencies for the slower months..A perfect example is US, who reduced frequency on the PHL by using a E190 and operating 3 a week...

I did spot one of their E190 in MBJ last November when I was on my way to MCO. I suspected it was operating the PHL-MBJ run, but it seem the aircraft went tech. Doubt they use it on CLT-MBJ, or if they do, very seldom it would appear.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 40):
Am curious too see what changes will occur on the KIN-FLL route after summer 2012..

Many people I know are looking forward to B6's FLL-KIN service as they have taken note of their competitive fares even with the second bag fee.

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 44):
Air Transat offers 18 weekly flights to MBJ from Canada and one flight with another tour operator from CDG weekly, with these new proceedings shall we see an influx of flights to MBJ from more Canadian or European destinations?

The flights from France operate out of ORY to MBJ I think. Based on the details of the article, we can expect to see additional frequencies out of existing cities from Canada to MBJ on TS, as well as flights from additional gateways. This is welcome news. They did mention in the past that focus was being placed on getting additional airlift out of Europe to MBJ as well, so eagerly waiting to see what new services will be announced.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:33 am

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 42):
Don't hold your breath- they're as good as extinct!
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 43):
I beg to differ....It's not over unless the fat lady sings....

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120403/business/business1.html

Apparently Redjet has not been officially pronounced dead. They seem to be gasping for air and there are pending attempts at resuscitation.
Cleared for takeoff!
 
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:26 pm

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 44):
Air Transat offers 18 weekly flights to MBJ from Canada and one flight with another tour operator from CDG weekly, with these new proceedings shall we see an influx of flights to MBJ from more Canadian or European destinations?
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
The flights from France operate out of ORY to MBJ I think. Based on the details of the article, we can expect to see additional frequencies out of existing cities from Canada to MBJ on TS, as well as flights from additional gateways. This is welcome news. They did mention in the past that focus was being placed on getting additional airlift out of Europe to MBJ as well, so eagerly waiting to see what new services will be announced

Congrats to the new Tourism Mins for pursuing a similar path as Mr Bartlett..This is big news for our Tourism Industry..
Not only will we see more flights from Canada, but it also mentioned new services will be announced from Europe...I expect to see more services from France and perhaps a new city from Germany and Scandinavia..
The current market from Canada is officially locked with all major players offering more than 10 weekly flights to MBJ..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
I did spot one of their E190 in MBJ last November when I was on my way to MCO. I suspected it was operating the PHL-MBJ run, but it seem the aircraft went tech. Doubt they use it on CLT-MBJ, or if they do, very seldom it would appear.

They have been using their E190s on the PHL-MBJ flights for the past 3 years..It operates between Sep and Nov...CLT-MBJ uses their A320s and B757s..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
Many people I know are looking forward to B6's FLL-KIN service as they have taken note of their competitive fares even with the second bag fee.

B6 currently has the cheapest fare @ $271...This is for travel in July...

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 46):
Apparently Redjet has not been officially pronounced dead. They seem to be gasping for air and there are pending attempts at resuscitation.

If they do return,they will return a stronger better carrier, but I still believe, they will be in KIN by the end of the year..
The sky is the limit, but never stop grasping until you get the glory cloud..
 
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 47):
They have been using their E190s on the PHL-MBJ flights for the past 3 years..It operates between Sep and Nov...CLT-MBJ uses their A320s and B757s..

The A321s and A319s are also used on CLT-MBJ sometimes. Below is a ( not so spectacular shot ) I got of one of their A319s on short final for runway 07...................

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/DSC01128.jpg


Snapped that photo on my return to the island last year.


On Sunday April 1st they featured a little story on the local news re the former national carrier. As we may all know, JM was conceptualized in October of 1968, and started flying on April 1st 1969 between JFK and MBJ/KIN and MIA to MBJ/KIN. Was a very interesting little trip down memory lane.
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RE: Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..

Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 48):
Below is a ( not so spectacular shot ) I got of one of their A319s on short final for runway 07...................

The shot of the a/c may not be great but the blue water looks fantastic. I will be in Grenada next week, can't wait to soak in that Caribbean sea.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 48):
On Sunday April 1st they featured a little story on the local news re the former national carrier. As we may all know, JM was conceptualized in October of 1968, and started flying on April 1st 1969 between JFK and MBJ/kin and MIA to MBJ/kin. Was a very interesting little trip down memory lane.

I can understand, when the GoG decided to close GY I was so angry, they said it was hemorrhaging money. Now they regret that they have no National Carrier. There is a feeling you can't explain when you board GY, or in your case JM, in JFK, YYZ or MIA. I usually feel like I have already stepped on Guyanese ground. Usually you see an F/A or pax that you know, you drink some El Dorado or Banks and chat all the way home.

Those were the days...

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