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Boeing Wins FAA Certification For GEnx-Powered 787

Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:30 pm

The Federal Aviation Administration on Tuesday granted Boeing an amended type certificate for the 787-8 Dreamliner powered by General Electric GEnx-1B engines.

Japan Airlines is expected to receive the first GEnx-powered 787 in the next week or two.

More: http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/f...ith-general-electric-genx-engines/
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:57 pm

Only 3.5 years late. While everyone should be relieved, nobody involved in this should be proud...
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
While everyone should be relieved, nobody involved in this should be proud...

I'm involved and I'm proud as hell. 3.5 years late is better than 4.5 years late; a lot of good people busted their ass for years to make this happen as fast as it did, most having nothing to do with what made it late in the first place, and I won't diminish their accomplishment by telling them they shouldn't be proud.

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Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 2):
I'm involved and I'm proud as hell. 3.5 years late is better than 4.5 years late; a lot of good people busted their ass for years to make this happen as fast as it did, most having nothing to do with what made it late in the first place, and I won't diminish their accomplishment by telling them they shouldn't be proud.


I'm sure you did good work, and I respect your input during all of this, and maybe from the inside you feel proud, but frankly, I think that's a phyric victory and more a feeling of relief.

If everyone at Boeing is honestly proud of this effort, than that points to a major problem at Boeing, and might even explain why it's 3.5 years late (and too slow to ramp up) to begin with.

This program has damaged Boeing financially and by perception, and because of this program, Boeing was not able to launch the 797.

I was a huge fan and defender of the delays when I felt Boeing was being honest, but since have gone cold on it. Though I do want to fly on it, it's lost it's magic for me.
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RE: Boeing Wins FAA Certification For GEnx-Powered 787

Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):

Airbus had the same problems with the A380. I fail to see the difference. This is a big accomplishment and the 787 teams deserves kudos!

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 2):
I'm involved and I'm proud as hell. 3.5 years late is better than 4.5 years late; a lot of good people busted their ass for years to make this happen as fast as it did, most having nothing to do with what made it late in the first place, and I won't diminish their accomplishment by telling them they shouldn't be proud.

Hear, Hear, bro! Congrats to you guys!  
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
If everyone at Boeing is honestly proud of this effort, than that points to a major problem at Boeing

I worked on the 787 and I'm proud of what we accomplished. I'd love to hear how you think my pride "points to a major problem at Boeing".

If you were limiting your comment to the people who established the program budget, or the schedule, or who set the performance specs for public marketing purposes, or who chose Boeing's public relations approach, it would be hard to argue against you. However, your statement is far too sweeping to be acceptable. You are saying the people who designed the control laws, or the electric brakes, or the floor structure, or the fin attachment cannot be proud of their work. An odd perspective, given each of these parts of the airplane includes important innovations the designers should be proud of and had nothing to do with delays, cost overruns, or public relations debacles.

The people who designed, built, tested and certified the 787 had no control over any of the things which so spectacularly failed for Boeing on the 787 program. While no person at Boeing feels good about the things which went wrong, the people responsible for the airplane itself have a great deal to be proud of. They have produced an airplane which is more capable than in-service aircraft and which by all accounts offers that capability at a double-digit reduction in operating costs. By any measure in this industry, that is an enormous success and something the people responsible can be justifiably proud of.

I firmly believe if the people in charge had advertized the airplane and the schedule which ultimately has been delivered, you would be singing the praises of the Boeing company rather than telling us to be ashamed of our effort.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting CM (Reply 5):
You are saying the people who designed the control laws, or the electric brakes, or the floor structure, or the fin attachment cannot be proud of their work.

I don't agree with what he's saying, but I think he was trying to say he doesn't feel anyone should be proud of the program as a whole, not that they shouldn't be proud of their individual accomplishments.

I don't agree not just because only a few are responsible for some bad decisions or actions that caused the major problems, but also the majority didn't even have any input. From what I've read, a lot of people were saying that doing an all-new plane with major changes in technology while taking a new approach to outsourcing/partnering at the same time was a recipe for disaster, but certain decision makers just didn't want to hear it.

My company has some blindingly obvious areas it should change, but of course no that can do anything about them ever asks my opinion, and senior executives who are hired to try to clean up these areas tend to leave within a few months of being hired without leaving behind a trace once they figure out that none of the other senior executives will support any of their efforts.

I just took my annual on-line company survey today. It didn't ask me anything about the issues that matter to me, however it did ask me if I was in the process of changing my gender !!!
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:31 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
it did ask if I was in the process of changing my gender !!!

LOL! Good to know they are focused on the things which matter!
 
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RE: Boeing Wins FAA Certification For GEnx-Powered 787

Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
Only 3.5 years late. While everyone should be relieved, nobody involved in this should be proud...

You obviously are either ignorant of what they accomplished or just plain stupid. I see you are a writer so maybe just ignorant regarding the wonderful piece of engineering that it is.

Although I did not work directly on the 787 I have a lot of friends that put in 60 hr weeks for several years to accomplish what they did, they have every reason to be proud.

When I think of all the difficulties involved with just the analysis and manufacturing of the composite airframe I am awe struck. Just think of creating the caul plates for Section 41 on the plane.....amazing stuff.



[quote=tdscanuck,reply=2]I'm involved and I'm proud as hell. 3.5 years late is better than 4.5 years late; a lot of good people busted their ass for years to make this happen as fast as it did, most having nothing to do with what made it late in the first place, and I won't diminish their accomplishment by telling them they shouldn't be proud.


Hats off to you and your colleagues Tom. Those of us who have worked in the industry know what a great accomplishment designing and certifying a new plane is.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting CM (Reply 5):
The people who designed, built, tested and certified the 787 had no control over any of the things which so spectacularly failed for Boeing on the 787 program.

And that's exactly the problem.

In old days such large scale programs were governed by people who knew what they were doing. Nowadays large programs are governed by the CFO's. And CFO's last a bit longer time than we wear the same shirt, but not much longer. As soon as they have managed to "dress up" one sufficiently stockholder pleasing quarterly report, then they are on the run with a huge bonus cheque.

In the meantime they have fooled the company by shopping around the whole world subcontracting stuff with companies which do not master the job, and/or with incomplete product specifications. Sometimes even outsourcing detailed design efforts to incapable companies.

The next CFO is then left with the job to buy the sourcing partners and spend fortunes on educating their staff to be able to fulfill their contract years behind schedule.

Sometimes it's not just the fault of the CFO, combined with a weak CEO, sometimes it is even the CEO who is just operating like a CFO only.

It is nothing special for Boeing, or for the airliner industry. Sadly many other companies in other businesses suffer from the same illness.

Get the old days back. Let technically knowledged people govern technical projects. Let them delegate the tasks to people whom they know master the job. Then they can TELL the CFO what money they need to do that, and the CFO can negotiate with the bank.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:56 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 9):
Nowadays large programs are governed by the CFO's. And CFO's last a bit longer time than we wear the same shirt, but not much longer. As soon as they have managed to "dress up" one sufficiently stockholder pleasing quarterly report, then they are on the run with a huge bonus cheque.

I still believe Boeing made a mistake by not making CFO James Bell the permanent CEO and Chairman instead of just letting him keep those respective chairs warm between Stonecipher leaving and McNerney arriving.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:45 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):

It didn't matter who was at the helm...once the performance and delivery promises were made and they had their first sales, the die was cast. Nobody could have pulled the 'on time and on spec' 787 out of the hat.

The delivery goals were simply very unrealistic and not one of the boffins at the top had any idea that it would be as late as it has been.

Had the rest of the plane been ready anywhere close to on time, the engines still wouldn't have been on spec.

There was little, in my opinion, that could have sped up the process...what made the development time unpalatable was the unrealistic timetable...and nobody could have changed that once it was in a contract.

It was a case of hope creating the timetable and reality creating the delays.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:15 am

Wow. It's unbelievable how rude and cynical some people are. Here we have people on this forum who have worked expressly on/with the 787's production through all of it's delays and there's still snipe comments being made. THAT--their dedication and sacrifice--should be commended.

While we're on that, I've always had a gut feeling that the 787 isn't really "late." The people who set the deadlines were just too ambitious. I mean, it was launched in '04 and was supposed to be in revenue service in '08... 747's first flight was 4 years after launch, didn't enter service until 5 years after. The 757/767 saw the same time frame. For the 787 to be in REV. service in 4 years, with the "new" America (all of the new regulations, de-federalisation, etc.), the 4-yr time frame was a joke.

Can we just congratulate the employees at Boeing and move on? Late or not, this is a great achievement.

I've also been dyng to ask: are there any visibly discernable differences between the GEnx and RR engine nacelles, asides from the corp. markings?

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Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:02 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 12):
are there any visibly discernable differences between the GEnx and RR engine nacelles, asides from the corp. markings?


The GEnx has a CFRP fan and the exhaust nozzle has an extra circumferential joint.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:14 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 12):
I've also been dyng to ask: are there any visibly discernable differences between the GEnx and RR engine nacelles, asides from the corp. markings?

The RR engine also has a breather tube/mast sticking out the bottom of the nacelle (the GE engine vents out the exhaust cone so the tube isn't there).

On the "proudness" topic, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT proud that we disappointed so many customers on schedule. But that's quite different than being proud of getting a new commercial jet certified and in service. That's *hard*, no matter what the original spec/schedule/contracts said.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
Only 3.5 years late. While everyone should be relieved, nobody involved in this should be proud...

If someone was to count the number of your posts on A.net that were at least a bit positive he would still be waiting to count one.

People who worked on B788 deserve every bit of credit and they should be proud of what they accomplished. Sorry, but you have no right to judge who should be proud or relieved. What do you know about manufacturing or certifying aircraft? Would you mind to elaborate?
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:36 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 14):
On the "proudness" topic, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT proud that we disappointed so many customers on schedule. But that's quite different than being proud of getting a new commercial jet certified and in service. That's *hard*, no matter what the original spec/schedule/contracts said.

I doubt than customers will be disappointed with the plane...it will live up to all of its promises. The 787 is a heck of a plane...a more realistic schedule from the beginning would have made all the difference in the world in the perception of the program as a whole.

Anyone who worked on the plane should be proud...it's a heck of an achievement.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:40 am

Congratulatiojns to everybody who worked hard for this major achievement. Your work isn't over yet, and the path still is uphill, but today you have all reason to celebrate it.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:42 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 14):
On the "proudness" topic, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT proud that we disappointed so many customers on schedule. But that's quite different than being proud of getting a new commercial jet certified and in service. That's *hard*, no matter what the original spec/schedule/contracts said.

Agreed. The 787 broke new ground on many fronts while still meeting or exceeding the very demanding certification rules that have evolved over a century of flight. It's a huge investment of time, energy and resources (not to mention blood, sweat and tears!) to make that happen.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 16):
I doubt than customers will be disappointed with the plane...it will live up to all of its promises. The 787 is a heck of a plane...a more realistic schedule from the beginning would have made all the difference in the world in the perception of the program as a whole.

Indeed. Schedule making is difficult, but there must have been some clear indications that it was unrealistic right from the start. The fact they had to send employees to partner companies should have shown that the basic premise of outsourcing wasn't working as planned, and the "travelled work" showed issues with rampup in their new manufacturing strategy. The fact that some partners had next to no experience in the roles they were given should have been a big red flag, yet they were expected to deliver on the same pace as the experienced partners. Another huge red flag was beginning assembly of the aircraft with the wrong fasteners. It is said one reason the first three aircraft are write-offs is that no one knows where all the non-standard fasteners are on those frames, and that's evidence of the unrealistic pace the program was being driven to. Many of the unknowables such as the SOB joint issue, the EE bay fire, the various Trent issues, the delamination issue, etc were just that, unknowables that always crop up and for which there should have been some schedule buffer, but not much could have been done about them in advance.

However, the team soldiered on in very commendable fashion and worked through all the issues regardless of source, and the result is a fine aircraft that will make money for its customers and eventually for its maker too.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 11):
The delivery goals were simply very unrealistic and not one of the boffins at the top had any idea that it would be as late as it has been...There was little, in my opinion, that could have sped up the process...what made the development time unpalatable was the unrealistic timetable...and nobody could have changed that once it was in a contract.

I believe one of the real "hurt factors" was Boeing's decisions on outsourcing so much of the design work and then not adequately managing that design work.

If a significant portion of the design had been done in-house and better/closer supervision of the subs had happened, the plane might still have been late, but I don't believe it would have been nearly as late.

Yes, it would have been much more expensive than the original budget planned, but with hindsight, it would have probably been a good bit cheaper, overall. *shrug*
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
If everyone at Boeing is honestly proud of this effort, than that points to a major problem at Boeing, and might even explain why it's 3.5 years late (and too slow to ramp up) to begin with.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Airbus had the same problems with the A380. I fail to see the difference. This is a big accomplishment and the 787 teams deserves kudos!

Tom et al. I am proud of folks on the program. No matter what what all the detractors say about how the 787 or the A380 are how many years late.

After all, if you look around, you can't find many people who are doing what you are doing. There's a reason why there's only two major large commercial aircraft producer in the world. If there is another company out there who can produce a complex, cutting edge, "mass produced" transportation system on time and on budget, they would have knocked Boeing or Airbus out of the duopoly they have right now.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 14):
On the "proudness" topic, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT proud that we disappointed so many customers on schedule. But that's quite different than being proud of getting a new commercial jet certified and in service. That's *hard*, no matter what the original spec/schedule/contracts said.

Well said Tom. Regardless of what some of the naysayers on here post, it's a great achievement to get a commercial airliner built, tested, certified and into service. Some folks don't seem to realize that t hard to do. Should more heads have rolled in program management? Heck yeah, but that's a topic for another thread.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):
one of the real "hurt factors" was Boeing's decisions on outsourcing

Yes, but that's a symptom more than the disease. The reality is that Harry Stonecipher (who was averse to doing an all-new airplane) refused to take a proposal to the board which cost more than 'X' and took longer than 'Y' to bring to market. Combine this with the fact Stonecipher was an ardent believer in RONA as a measure for Boeing's production efficiency and you have a recipe for disaster... enormous pressure on the 7E7 leadership who made key decisions about schedule, as well as development and capitalization costs to find a fast and inexpensive way to design and build the most advanced airplane concept Boeing had ever envisioned. The plan was doomed from the start.

The irony is that without the unrealistically low program cost, unrealistically short schedule, and without the overreaching outsourcing philosophy, the 787 looks like a far different airplane. If it exists at all, it is closer to a HGW 767 than the 787, and possesses very few of the truly novel features seen in the 787.

To ikramerica: it wasn't my intent to have people piling onto you about your comment - sorry for that. I just wanted to make the point there are many people working on the 787 program who have done great work and who are justifiably proud of their inventions, innovations, hard work and accomplishments. Nothing more. The people who should hang their heads are the ones who permitted the scenario described in the paragraphs above to exist within Boeing.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:05 pm

I didn't know that their was a raffle to "WIN" the FAA Certification...   

Congratulation to Boeing! It was definitely a lot of hard work... and better late than never.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):
I believe one of the real "hurt factors" was Boeing's decisions on outsourcing so much of the design work and then not adequately managing that design work.



Some major delays had nothing to do with outsourcing. The fasteners were a huge delay and would have been outsourced regardless. The wing join issue was one of those unexpected testing discoveries. There were also problems with the brakes, flight software and tertiary suppliers which would still have happened if everything was in house.

This was such a massive undertaking that everyone should have known that it couldn''t be done on the original timetable...I certainly bought into the dream. I doubt has there ever been an airliner where so much was brand new technology compared to the previous generation.

It was bound to take a long time to get everything right...and frankly, it just doesn't matter anymore. Ever since I saw that plane at Oshkosh, I've regained my enthusiasm for the program..

Darn you 787...I can't stay mad at you.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 24):
Some major delays had nothing to do with outsourcing.

Agreed. Hence my "one".  
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 24):
The fasteners were a huge delay and would have been outsourced regardless.

Yes, but Boeing ignored Alcoa's statements on their production ability and just assumed that Alcoa would somehow, someway, make the necessary number of fasteners available when Boeing needed them. If Boeing had better managed both their own expectations and Alcoa, they may very well have been able to properly plan what fasteners they could get so they might have been able to put LN001 together for the "7-8-7" rollout with the proper fasteners and not what they could find over at the Alderwood Mall Home Depot.


Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 24):
The wing join issue was one of those unexpected testing discoveries.

And that join was designed by Boeing, so that one cannot be pinned on the Japanese suppliers of the wing and wingbox.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
Yes, but Boeing ignored Alcoa's statements on their production ability and just assumed that Alcoa would somehow, someway, make the necessary number of fasteners available when Boeing needed them. If Boeing had better managed both their own expectations and Alcoa, they may very well have been able to properly plan what fasteners they could get so they might have been able to put LN001 together for the "7-8-7" rollout with the proper fasteners and not what they could find over at the Alderwood Mall Home Depot.

Aircraft fasteners have a 72 week lead time, that's the facts. The assumption that the various design "partners" would step up and order (with deposit$) those existing and developmental standards was the biggest mistake. Everything after that was trying to recover the schedule way, way, way inside lead time. Boeing itself at final assy never had any shortages. Boeing never used 'Home Depot" standards. Some of the partners did use local supply (not home depot) for temporary installation. The bolts etc used for the roll out were either already installed temporary ones that came in with the sections or were the correct ones.

Boeing orders all the standards now for all the "partners". Big surprise.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 24):
I doubt has there ever been an airliner where so much was brand new technology compared to the previous generation.

Unfortunately, it will be years before this bight light overcomes the blackness of the delays.
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To the 787 program I say another milestone accomplished, both a/c engine types are now certified, I anticipate a delivery and an in-service flight of a GE bird, and look forward to the day when I can go "hooohumm another 787 get's deleiverd, who cares, wake me when they start testing the 787-9"
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 24):
Ever since I saw that plane at Oshkosh, I've regained my enthusiasm for the program..

That's pretty much the universal reaction when people see her for real and not just in photos and videos. Being in the Seattle area, I was stricken with 787 lust early on and am eagerly awaiting my first flight in one of these beauties.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
Agreed. Hence my "one".

Indeed. If only there were just one,eh...?

Thank goodness the specs can and will be achieved. In my opinion, that is the ultimate saving grace for the 787. While customers have complained mightily about the delays, it was a godsend for some that really couldn't afford them at the time.

Soon enough,bygones will be bygones and most delays will be forgiven...but hopefully not forgotten. The 787 delays should be a lesson to every maker, about the dangers of hubris over caution.
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:12 am

Another milestone reached by BOEING! Let's get the production engine-less frames moving now.   
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:26 am

Congrats to Boeing. I'd love to finally see all those frames sitting at PAE finally get in the air (I realize they all aren't GE powered planes).
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:58 am

First thing first. Boeing didn't win the certificate - they earned it.

As to the discussion about pride. I do not care if a product comes in on time, early or late, on budget, over or under. If everyone who worked on it don't feel pride when seeing the finished product then it isn't ready.

Personally I don't know how you can look at something that moves hundreds of people halfway around the world in a few hours over and over again with just a few hours break at each end and not feel pride. It is an amazing accomplishment. Anyone who don't need re-calibration.

I did not work on it but just thinking about it makes me feel pride for what people have accomplished.

CONGRATULATIONS!!

Quoting pygmalion (Reply 26):
Boeing orders all the standards now for all the "partners". Big surprise.

Can't help but think about what would have happened if Boeing had accepted our quote for a system doing exactly that back in 2000  
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:15 am

Congrats to all those involved in the effort! I have heard that many had to work over weekends for long stretches of time to get 787 where it is today. The powers that be definitely erred in giving a very aggressive schedule, especially when dealing with new technology, processes and vendors. However, that doesn't take away the hard work that everyone put in to get 787 out of the door.

Once more, I tip my hat to all those who worked on the 787!
 
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RE: Boeing Wins FAA Certification For GEnx-Powered 787

Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:01 am

This is fantastic. Congratulations to Boeing and to everyone who played a role in this process. The future of flight continues to become aviation in the present time.

Thank you,

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