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Thai Airways Ends Non-stop BKK-LAX

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:30 am

This is later than I anticipated.
The "write-off" is surprising. Are there no other routes where the A340-500 can achieve decent yields?

Quote from the Bangkok Post:

" Thai Airways International (THAI) will end its money-losing Bangkok-Los Angeles non-stop service on May 1.
The flag carrier will phase out and possibly write off the four A340-500s used on the route.
THAI blamed the high price of oil, trading at about US$137 a barrel in Singapore, for the cancellation of the Bangkok-Los Angeles service, the airline's longest non-stop flight.
Insiders early this week said the flight hardly ever made economic sense given the type of aircraft used _ the A340-500 _ and cabin configuration, which does not generate the yields needed to justify flying the aircraft.

- - - - - - - - - - The airline will replace the non-stop Bangkok-Los Angeles service with a new flight from Bangkok that stops at Seoul's Incheon airport before continuing to Los Angeles.
There will be four flights a week, on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday. The airline will use B777-300ERs, a twin-engine long-haul wide-body.
Airline executives say the plane is more economical than the four-engine A340-500.
The B777 is capable of carrying some 300 passengers in three classes."

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...on/285457/thai-axes-non-stop-to-us


A related thread on the introduction of ICN stopover was archived. The link is here:

Thai Airways Int'l Adds ICN Stopover On BKK-LAX (by HOONS90 Jan 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Thai Airways Ends Non-stop BKK-LAX

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting olympic472 (Thread starter):
The "write-off" is surprising.

Of an A345? Not really. The current A340 resale market is... not strong.

Heck, I suspect with the latest range improvements, the 77L resale market has taken a little dip.

Whom else is flying A345s? EK, SQ, (EY is selling theirs cheap to Venezuela), and ??. (Is Arik Air still flying theirs?)

The A345s that remain will be in trouble against 2014 delivery 788s. Seriously, any remaining operating window will be closed with accelerated 788s that are lighter and more fuel efficient.

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Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:56 am

It's a shame TG decided against the 77L. I think they could have made money using this series of the 777 over the A345. Perhaps they will bring it back with the 787?
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:20 am

They should have just configured the nice beautiful A340-500 in a more efficient and money-making way, i guess  )) not to blame the aircraft only  
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:27 am

So, this means that TG is going back to the one-stop. There's already a tremendous amount of traffic between LAX and ICN...so why ICN?
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting olympic472 (Thread starter):
The "write-off" is surprising. Are there no other routes where the A340-500 can achieve decent yields?

I doubt they will write them off, that reporter and the Bangkok Post does not present a balanced report, however that would not stop hem from selling them.

With the one stop service they now compete with all the US and Asian carriers which many are now able to offer three times daily services, one stop LAX to BKK. Changing to a 77W, 4 times a week will not help them.

The type of aircraft has little to do with yields, yields mainly depend on how many seats, and at what price they seats are sold. TG were not getting the yields they needed on the New York to BKK to justify the non-stop either.

This point to a poor business case for the routes in the first instance.

Quoting olympic472 (Thread starter):
Airline executives say the plane is more economical than the four-engine A340-500.

The 345 trip costs would be lower than a 77W over the same sector lengths. What they are saying is a two stage 77W flight burns less fuel than a non-stop 345, a one stop 345 also burns less fuel than a non-stop 345.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):

The 787s will still be short of range to do anything like BKK- LAX non-stop for some time.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 2):

Just what TG needs, more types of aircraft (not).
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):

Just what TG needs, more types of aircraft (not).

Obviously it's not going to happen, however I feel it would have made more sense for them to purchase the 77L over the A345 anyday since they already had 777s in their fleet plus it's much more fuel efficient to operate over the A340 series.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 2):
It's a shame TG decided against the 77L. I think they could have made money using this series of the 777 over the A345.

As zeke noted up-thread, the problem wasn't the plane - it was having three classes of service. Yes, a 77L would have been more efficient, but it would not have been efficient enough because you just can't get folks to fly Economy - even Premium Economy - on those ULH routes. Even SQ couldn't make two-classes work and their Premium Economy was the best available.

ULH flights can only realistically be done in a Business Class cabin with plenty of personal space, like SQ's new Business Class seat on the A345.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
I doubt they will write them off, that reporter and the Bangkok Post does not present a balanced report, however that would not stop hem from selling them.

The body of the article has some very insightful details about TG's experience with the aircraft.

Quote:
" The airline has been forced to use the A340-500s, super long-haul jetliners made by Airbus, as attempts to sell the aircraft over the past five years or so have proved unsuccessful.
The market for the plane, capable of flying 16,000 kilometres non-stop, is exceedingly small, and there is simply no demand for it, said the insiders.
The only option left for THAI is to ground the four jets. It has done this in the past. Grounding them will cause less financial damage than putting them in the air, the insiders said.
They added that the four jetliners, which cost around $200 million each when the airline bought them new more than seven years ago, are likely to be phased out and written off. "
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:22 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
As zeke noted up-thread, the problem wasn't the plane - it was having three classes of service. Yes, a 77L would have been more efficient, but it would not have been efficient enough because you just can't get folks to fly Economy - even Premium Economy - on those ULH routes. Even SQ couldn't make two-classes work and their Premium Economy was the best available.

I would strongly disagree with this statement. People definitely are willing to fly ULH in economy - the problem is that airlines have trouble being able to charge them enough to cover the huge fuel bills that ULH flying generates. In Business Class the price is not as big of an issue. TG also has the issue of BKK generally being a lower-yielding market (even in Business Class) and having poor geography for connections from North America. SIN has the same geography issue but it has plenty of high-yield O/D business traffic to make it work.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
As zeke noted up-thread, the problem wasn't the plane - it was having three classes of service. Yes, a 77L would have been more efficient, but it would not have been efficient enough because you just can't get folks to fly Economy - even Premium Economy - on those ULH routes. Even SQ couldn't make two-classes work and their Premium Economy was the best available.

ULH flights can only realistically be done in a Business Class cabin with plenty of personal space, like SQ's new Business Class seat on the A345.

This is very true, but from what I understand, even SQ isn't doing all that great with their LAX-SIN service and EWR-SIN isn't much better. The fuel costs drive any chance of any profit into the ground.

Quoting olympic472 (Reply 8):

The body of the article has some very insightful details about TG's experience with the aircraft.

Quote:
" The airline has been forced to use the A340-500s, super long-haul jetliners made by Airbus, as attempts to sell the aircraft over the past five years or so have proved unsuccessful.
The market for the plane, capable of flying 16,000 kilometres non-stop, is exceedingly small, and there is simply no demand for it, said the insiders.
The only option left for THAI is to ground the four jets. It has done this in the past. Grounding them will cause less financial damage than putting them in the air, the insiders said.
They added that the four jetliners, which cost around $200 million each when the airline bought them new more than seven years ago, are likely to be phased out and written off. "

Was the 77L not available then? Were they a lot more expensive compared to the A345? I really do think they would have had a better chance of not losing as much money if they could have flown the 77L in this market.

I do believe TG had to go with a tri-class JWY on LAX-BKK because they didn't have the demand for premium seats like SQ does. TG does offer a great W & Y product, especially in their longhaul markets. They really do think about the service they provide to their customers and spend quite a bit on catering, even compared to SQ longhaul Y.

It's too bad the A345 & 777s don't come in combis. Wouldn't they have had a better chance of being successful if they could have had an a/c that had been able to carry much more cargo like a combi would do along with the other half being for passengers? Or would something like this in a these ULH a/c eaten up the range because of the weight?
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
EY is selling theirs cheap to Venezuela

This is not true (and probably never was true) as EY will use their A345 fleet on their new IAD daily route starting March 31st of 2013.

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Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:22 pm

Quoting QF340500 (Reply 3):
They should have just configured the nice beautiful A340-500 in a more efficient and money-making way, i guess )) not to blame the aircraft only

The A345 is the 74L of the day, sometime in the future the A345 will be looked back on like the 74L is today.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
So, this means that TG is going back to the one-stop. There's already a tremendous amount of traffic between LAX and ICN...so why ICN?

I'd imagine one of the countries TG already held beyond route rights with. SEL was at one time part of the BKK-USA routing, as was TPE, KIX & NRT at one time or another. I think it may also have to do with cost, ie...landing fees, gate and airport fees, taxes. Unfortunetly ICN is a very low yield market, so hopefully most of their traffic will be through from BKK. I admire TG having flown continuasly for as many years as they have, given the flight length, and the different N American destinations they have served, YYZ, SEA, DFW, JFK & LAX

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Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
Wouldn't they have had a better chance of being successful if they could have had an a/c that had been able to carry much more cargo like a combi would do along with the other half being for passengers?

If anything, it would have been worse.

The longer the flight, the less efficient it is.
The only reason for very long haul flights like these is to satisfy passengers who want to get there faster and avoid the hassle of having a tech stop somewhere, even though they'll have to pay more for the convenience.
Cargo isn't that fussy and doesn't care how many times it stops for gas. If flying pax on VLH flights hardly makes sense, operating cargo VLH flights makes even less.
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:07 pm

The business case for Thai flying to the USA is poor, Thailand's location at the western edge of the Orient is 2,800 miles west of Tokyo which is a lousy location for connecting traffic. Thai would be better flying its passengers to tokyo and connecting with Star alliance airlines UA and All Nippon to the USA.

Thai does so much better from Europe since it is well located for connecting traffic from there. Europe is also within the range of 744 from Bangkok.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
Was the 77L not available then?

According to Airfleets.net, TG's A340-500 fleet was delivered in 2005 (with one additional frame delivered in 2007). Depending on when TG placed their order, the 777-200LR might not have been an option (as Boeing suspended development in 2001 for around two years due to lack of customer interest).

It's also possible that available delivery dates might have been too far to the right. The first two 777-200LRs (for PIA) were delivered in early 2006, but it would be another 18 months before the next one was delivered (to AC) and "regular deliveries" began.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
According to Airfleets.net, TG's A340-500 fleet was delivered in 2005 (with one additional frame delivered in 2007). Depending on when TG placed their order, the 777-200LR might not have been an option (as Boeing suspended development in 2001 for around two years due to lack of customer interest).

It's also possible that available delivery dates might have been too far to the right. The first two 777-200LRs (for PIA) were delivered in early 2006, but it would be another 18 months before the next one was delivered (to AC) and "regular deliveries" began.

Very interesting, Stitch. Thanks for the information.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
According to Airfleets.net, TG's A340-500 fleet was delivered in 2005 (with one additional frame delivered in 2007). Depending on when TG placed their order, the 777-200LR might not have been an option (as Boeing suspended development in 2001 for around two years due to lack of customer interest).

They also ordered A340-600's so it probably didn't make sense to add another engine type for a fleet of 4 aircraft. Had they been ordering 77W's they probably would have gone with the 77L as well (if it was offered at the time).

Their A340 order was placed in '03 if that helps determine if the 77L was offered at the time.
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2003/08/04/daily38.html

I found some more info., 77L work was restarted in March of '03.
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:52 pm

HS-TLB has not flown since 3rd March and was the only one I never saw at LAX. I wonder if she has been WFU already?
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
According to Airfleets.net, TG's A340-500 fleet was delivered in 2005 (with one additional frame delivered in 2007). Depending on when TG placed their order, the 777-200LR might not have been an option (as Boeing suspended development in 2001 for around two years due to lack of customer interest).

Part of Thai's problem with the A340-500 is they have Premium Econom which other Thai planes do NOT have. If TG changed the Y+ to regular Y and reduced the J class cabin it could make the planes work for them. If TG used them to Japn and Asutralia they could make the airplane work without the Ultra long haul fuel costs.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
Part of Thai's problem with the A340-500 is they have Premium Econom which other Thai planes do NOT have. If TG changed the Y+ to regular Y and reduced the J class cabin it could make the planes work for them.

I expect they'd lose even more money with a normal Economy cabin as they'd have to reduce prices without reducing costs. Yes, they could put in a few more rows of seats, but...

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
If TG used them to Japn and Asutralia they could make the airplane work without the Ultra long haul fuel costs.


I expect an A330-300 can do the same mission and the sheer empty weight of the A340-500 compared to an A330-300 (at OEM OEW, this delta is 50 tons) makes using an A340-500 a very inefficient choice.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
The business case for Thai flying to the USA is poor, Thailand's location at the western edge of the Orient is 2,800 miles west of Tokyo which is a lousy location for connecting traffic. Thai would be better flying its passengers to tokyo and connecting with Star alliance airlines UA and All Nippon to the USA.

Agree. I highly doubt TG has ever had a single profitable year on any BKK-U.S. services, regardless of aircraft type or routing.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:59 pm

So after May 1, the longest Thai route will be TG948 BKK-MAD (B744), 10,206km, which is longer than ICN-LAX.

Unless there is a longer route they operate ?

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Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:20 pm

So BKK joins CGK and KUL as the busiest airports in the world without non-stop service to the US. CGK is surprising just based on the fact Indonesia is the 4th most populous country in the world, and they do not even have a 1-stop service like BKK and KUL do.
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
I expect they'd lose even more money with a normal Economy cabin as they'd have to reduce prices without reducing costs. Yes, they could put in a few more rows of seats, but...

They only sold Y+ on A345 planes so regular Y is more seats in the same space. Y+ is 7 across with 40 inches per row, coach is 8 across and 32 inches. The A345 is like a 747SP but since TG can't give them away, then flying them some where seems to be a better alternative.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 24):
They only sold Y+ on A345 planes so regular Y is more seats in the same space. Y+ is 7 across with 40 inches per row, coach is 8 across and 32 inches.

Honestly, I still think it would not have made a difference. *shrug*
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting olympic472 (Thread starter):
" Thai Airways International (THAI) will end its money-losing Bangkok-Los Angeles non-stop service on May 1.
The flag carrier will phase out and possibly write off the four A340-500s used on the route.

A lot of plane dedicated to a "money-losing" service. I thought there were no such thing as prestige routes according to a.netters of yesteryear....and that airlines only focus on where they can make money, immediately...
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting mcogator (Reply 23):
CGK is surprising just based on the fact Indonesia is the 4th most populous country in the world, and they do not even have a 1-stop service like BKK and KUL do.

A number of asian carriers (BR, CX, CZ, EK, KE, SQ) have one stop services to the US from CGK, BKK, and KUL.
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:49 pm

No prestige routes still exist- a;beit a a smaller number than yesteryears.
Look at MH to LAX via NRT (as of very recently operating via TPE)

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Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 27):
Quoting mcogator (Reply 23):
CGK is surprising just based on the fact Indonesia is the 4th most populous country in the world, and they do not even have a 1-stop service like BKK and KUL do.

A number of asian carriers (BR, CX, CZ, EK, KE, SQ) have one stop services to the US from CGK, BKK, and KUL.

I expect the post you replied to was referring to direct through-flights with the same aircraft but making an intermediate stop, since the post referred to BKK and KUL which have such direct services. I doubt he was thinking of connecting services.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting mcogator (Reply 23):
CGK is surprising just based on the fact Indonesia is the 4th most populous country in the world,

Indonesia may be the 4th most populous country in the world, but that doesn't necessarily mean that its air industry is the 4th most developed. Garuda, the national carrier, has had a rather rough time internantionally - banned from flying to the EU from 2007 until 2009. There are though some reports that they want to re-start ULH destinations such as LAX.

However, SE Asia is not all that attractive to airlines for launching routes to the US - there are so many options and competition: To west coast US with one stop, SIN, KUL, BKK, HKG, NRT, and numerous airports in China, for east coast all the above plus Europe and the middle east. I'm not surprised that this is not on the top of airlines' priorities these days.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:18 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
The 787s will still be short of range to do anything like BKK- LAX non-stop for some time.

There is a reason I stated 2014.  

I also do not think BKK-LAX has the economics to re-start the route with any aircraft.

I just don't know what they can do with the aircraft. Due to the high OEW and four engines maintenance, any flights within A330 range will be far more profitable with the A332/A333.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
I expect an A330-300 can do the same mission and the sheer empty weight of the A340-500 compared to an A330-300 (at OEM OEW, this delta is 50 tons) makes using an A340-500 a very inefficient choice.

   and 40 to 45 tons depending on the A345 version (more for the HGW) versus the A343. Unless you fly ULH, the A345 is a very inefficient aircraft.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 24):
since TG can't give them away, then flying them some where seems to be a better alternative.

At today's fuel prices?!? Better to gain back the scrap value.

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
This is not true (and probably never was true) as EY will use their A345 fleet on their new IAD daily route starting March 31st of 2013.

What happened to the sale of the A345s for $60 million each to Venezuela?
http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/01/v...ela-goes-on-airliner-buying-binge/

I found several sources on Hugo Chavez noting the purchase in a speech. Did it fall through?
Aircraft sales tend to happen a long time before the actual transfer.

Due to parts commonality with the A330, I expect the highest value for A345s to be as scrap. A346s, at least those with the lighter wing, have far more value. However, once enough 787s and A350s enter the worlds fleet (I estimate 400 to 600 combined), the A346 will not have a market niche left either.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Yes, a 77L would have been more efficient, but it would not have been efficient enough because you just can't get folks to fly Economy - even Premium Economy - on those ULH routes. Even SQ couldn't make two-classes work and their Premium Economy was the best available.

ULH flights can only realistically be done in a Business Class cabin with plenty of personal space, like SQ's new Business Class seat on the A345.

I disagree. The reason SQ and TG put fewer seats in these aircraft is to reduce weight; the A345 could not do the distance at normal higher density config payload. They were then faced with the challenge of maximizing RASM / trip revenue given the payload restriction -- what mix of lower density seating would work best?

SQ started with two class, and found for them all-J would provide higher RASM / trip revenue. This is a function of their customer mix.

TG does not have as much business-heavy traffic, therefore tried other ways to fly a lowe density config, but none of them produced enough trip revenue. A higher density config (more Y seats) would probably produce higher trip revenue for TG, but then they hit the weight and range barrier.

ULH routes with regular config are possible -- folks do fly economy on these. Look at the USA-India non-stops, for example.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 2):
It's a shame TG decided against the 77L. I think they could have made money using this series of the 777 over the A345. Perhaps they will bring it back with the 787?
Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
Was the 77L not available then? Were they a lot more expensive compared to the A345? I really do think they would have had a better chance of not losing as much money if they could have flown the 77L in this market.

The 777-200LR is more efficient, but not statistically enough to swing the balance of a flight like this.

Even the operators of 777-200LRs aren't rushing to put them on ULH flights.

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RE: Thai Airways Ends Non-stop BKK-LAX

Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:24 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 32):
SQ started with two class, and found for them all-J would provide higher RASM / trip revenue. This is a function of their customer mix.

Correct - SQ also have a 1 stop service SIN-FRA-JFK that covers for Y travellers on that route.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Ends Non-stop BKK-LAX

Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Speaking of A345's. I noticed that AC's 2 A345's that were leased to TAM have now been stored. Anyone know where they are being stored?

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RE: Thai Airways Ends Non-stop BKK-LAX

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
I doubt they will write them off, that reporter and the Bangkok Post does not present a balanced report, however that would not stop hem from selling them.

I see nothing unbalanced in that statement. The A340 is not economical for them, so they are going to dump it. What's so unbalanced about that?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 31):
and 40 to 45 tons depending on the A345 version (more for the HGW) versus the A343. Unless you fly ULH, the A345 is a very inefficient aircraft.

Ever since the 777 came on the scene the A340's days were numbered. It instantly became a dog in the marketplace, Boeing conitnued (still does) improve the 777, and Airbus didn't help with the improvements to the A330 that can cover many of the A340's mission.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Ends Non-stop BKK-LAX

Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 36):
Airbus didn't help with the improvements to the A330 that can cover many of the A340's mission.

   If memory serves me right, over the A345/6 lifetime, Airbus has added 700nm to the A333 range as well as improving the capabilities of the A332.

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